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Talk:Aden Emergency#Requested move 10 November 2025

Page Move

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Page moved without move discussion and partisan editing removed. Bringing it here for wider discussion. WCMemail 06:24, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

English language wikipedia and COMMONNAME is Aden Emergency Lyndaship (talk) 06:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That was what I was thinking. WCMemail 06:52, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the page from "Aden Emergency" to the "14 October Revolution".

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Aden's Emergency, the colonial name for the uprising, was actually declared on December 14, the Emergency is only a part of the whole 14 October revolution, which began on 14 October 1963

I request changing the page's name from "Aden Emergency" to "14 October Revolution" to reflect the proper, decolonized term for the event considering that the South Yemenis emerged victorious out of this libration war in 1967. https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AB%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A9_14_%D8%A3%D9%83%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%A8%D8%B1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by N2324 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OPPOSE Commonname is Aden Emergency. Google search shows only Yemeni organisations use 14 October revolution Lyndaship (talk) 15:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Lyndaship. WCMemail 19:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Aden Emergency is the commonly used name for the conflict.XavierGreen (talk) 15:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As per Lydaship and XavierGreen. --Meanderingbartender (talk) 15:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Consider The page could stay as Aden Emergency, as that is the name in Old Blighty, but an alternative title from a local perspective should be added. This event culminated in a country getting its freedom. Billyshiverstick (talk) 09:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hoo Boy, is this page ever Colonialism at work!

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This article reads like a British Foreign Office report. Yemen is just a geopolitical toy for the British Empire. What a mess! The background needs to mention of the Scramble for Africa, and include a local POV. The suggestion of changing the name is brushed off by people I bet are white and middle class. I am too, but I've read my history. Instead of slapping N2324, maybe peeps could add the relevant perspective to the article. Pretty shocking. Billyshiverstick (talk) 09:02, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've added "14 October Revolution" to the article's lead Abo Yemen✉ 12:26, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Missing reference

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@Abo Yemen: Your edit here added a reference — {{harvnb|Kostiner|1984|p=171}} — that does not point to a citation. Can this error be fixed? —GoldRingChip 20:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done just fixed it Abo Yemen✉ 18:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 September 2025

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. No consensus to move to 14 October Revolution. Most editors opposed the change, pointing out that "Aden Emergency" remains the dominant name in English‑language sources and is more recognizable to general readers. Although some editors supported the proposed title, some others noted its ambiguity and limited recognition. As the discussion proceeded, some participants expressed interest in an alternative title, Aden insurgency, which may warrant a fresh move request given that some editors who opposed this formal original discussion did respond to whether or not they support the alternative title. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:30, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aden Emergency → 14 October Revolution14 October Revolution – Ok, this is going to be a bit confusing, but bear with me. This conflict began on 14 October with the Radfan tribal attacks led by Rajih Labouza on British troops stationed there.[1] The Aden Emergency, a state of emergency that was declared on 10 December 1963, is an event that was part of this conflict as a whole. It is erroneous to name the whole conflict after the name of a single event that happened during the conflict 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 11:58, 25 September 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 14:14, 3 October 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:02, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. WP:COMMONNAME still applies. The opposition comments made in the previous move discussion have not changed. Gavbadger (talk) 18:35, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a good ol case of WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 12:19, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment. Disagree completely. You've added 14 October Revolution to the lede with this edit [1] back almost two years ago but you haven't provided a reference to this. Can you please add one. Also with this edit [2] back in January 2024, you added Radfan Uprising to the lede without a reference. Can you please one. Gavbadger (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gavbadger Where’s your argument for “disagreeing completely” exactly? I dont have to cite that the sky is blue. And what im reading here is that you’re implying that I’m making this name up? The ngrams clearly show that the 14 October revolution name was historically the common name when yemen was relatively stable, and it wasn’t until the recent events that are happening in here along with neocolonial press pushing the “Aden Emergency” name more that we’ve ended up with this (Ive already explained that that is another event and the current article name is wrong. This is the equivalent of comparing the ngrams for “apple” and “green apple”). Plus, this comment is as relevant as the opposition comments from the old discussion. I’ll prepare a list of sources that use the 14 oct revolution name tomorrow since i got a day off. As for the second edit, it was me just restoring the old longstanding name in the article that ive removed in my first edit. I have no idea why i did that cus it was a long time ago, but ill happily remove it now 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 17:04, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - this name for the article is clearly more attractive and descriptive Algirr (talk) 01:18, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, WikiProject Military history, WikiProject Yemen, and WikiProject Socialism have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 14:14, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A list of uncontextualized links is not the most helpful contribution one could make to a RM. I cherry-picked one of them, the BBC one, and can't find a mention of either name option. Moreover, even if one of the options was in there, photo captions aren't exactly great sources for this question. What would be really helpful here would be a curated list of sources with explanations why they show "14 October Revolution" meets WP:CRITERIA. Ed [talk] [OMT] 21:24, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support if we think long-term then it was called 14 October Revolution for three decades. Conversely, the current name has really only been used for 2 decades. If we were to do a reliable source breakdown then I think 14 October Revolution would win so I support naming it such. Although I do not currently have time to do that. Thanks, 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 Easternsahara 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 04:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as Google Ngrams show a huge preference for "Aden Emergency" over the last two decades. Ed [talk] [OMT] 21:24, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Brehony 2013, p. 19.
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Requested move 10 November 2025

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Aden Emergency → Aden insurgency – (This RM is a follow-up on the previous one) As I've explained in the previous RM, the "Aden Emergency", a British state of emergency declaration that happened on 10 December 1963 (i.e. several months after this conflict was already ongoing), is an event that was part of this conflict as a whole and it doesn't make sense to have it as the article's name.

I am proposing that this article be renamed to a descriptive title (Aden insurgency, other suggestions are welcome) for the reasons mentioned above and in the previous RM 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 06:48, 10 November 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 07:21, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support (thanks for the ping Abo Yemen). As per my !vote in the previous RM I support this move it is more accurate and would be recognisable. GothicGolem29 (Talk) 12:12, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose current title is still the clear wp:commonname [21] [22]—blindlynx 17:59, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and previous RM discussion. SnowFire (talk) 20:49, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The ngram cited by Ed suggests that we are dealing with an effect of Wikipedia. We didn't invent the term "Aden Emergency" but I believe we've given it currency it didn't have before. I get 9 hits on GScholar through 2005 and I didn't check for false positives. It seems to me that if this event has a common name, it is because of Wikipedia. For that reason, I have no problem moving to a more descriptive title. Srnec (talk) 14:30, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • This isn't citogenesis. The term existed and was used prior to this Wikipedia's article's existence, and it very well might have been the best name for it at the time. There's nearly 100 sources that use the phrase "Aden Emergency" on newspaperarchive.com post-1960, likely with some false positives, and 0 for "Aden insurgency".
      But even if we take that argument at face value and set aside concerns about original research, our article titles policy (not a guideline, not an essay) doesn't contain caveats for how something became a common name. It does say that "other encyclopedias are among the sources that may be helpful in deciding what titles are in an encyclopedic register, as well as what names are most frequently used," and I've provided a number of encyclopedias above that demonstrate what the current common name is. In lieu of contravening policy, I'd encourage the RM closer to discount this argument when assessing consensus. Ed [talk] [OMT] 06:45, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support agree with the nom about the misleading nature of the current title. While the state of emergency declared by the British in 1963 was no doubt significant, it does not capture the full scope of the conflict, which had been developing well before that declaration. I also agree with the WP:CITOGENESIS point raised by Srnec; "Aden Emergency" seems to have gained prominence largely through its use on Wikipedia rather than because it was historically the most accurate term. Paprikaiser (talk) 21:14, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per @Ed and what i see in the previous RM discussion BlookyNapsta (talk) 07:20, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Disagree with citogenesis argument. The name was prevalent long, long before Wikipedia existed and very recognizable as relating to the 1960s uprising against British colonialism and nothing else. Indeed, "Aden Emergency" is about as recognizable to any adult of a certain age as the "Suez crisis", "Congo crisis", etc. Proposed name would be simply unrecognizable. Aden has been involved in several revolts, e.g. against Mamelukes, Ottomans, and most recently in the civil war. Proposed title would be unrecognizable or at the very least require a disambiguation date. "Aden Emergency" requires no date. Walrasiad (talk) 02:14, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Socialism, WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, WikiProject Former countries, WikiProject Yemen, WikiProject Military history, and WikiProject British Empire have been notified of this discussion. 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 18:17, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support as mentioned earlier the current title focuses too much on the 1963 emergency declaration, which was only one moment in a conflict that had already begun. A descriptive name like Aden insurgency reflects the whole situation much better ~2025-36137-05 (talk) 17:44, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]