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Link to Italian grammar
[edit]This page should contain an internal link to Italian grammar, and greater discussion of the Italian language in the lead section. Alternately, information on verbs could be added to that page, and this page redirected to that one. Cnilep (talk) 16:51, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Present Subjunctive
[edit]Present subjunctive is also used for giving commands or exhortations. E.g.: "Se ne vada!" -> "Go away!" (courtesy form with "lei") In this sense, it supplies the missing grammatical persons of the imperative (i.e. "vadano via!" ~ "they must go"). - Ambaradan (talk) 21:00, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Lack of references
[edit]This article has no references; not even one grammar book is mentioned. As a reader, I would like to see more general information and examples about how the tenses are used (compared with the English ones), and less about the exact form each tense has in every irregular verb, which is information that can be obtained elsewhere. Kanjuzi (talk) 20:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Colour coding and colour blindness
[edit]It's unusual to see colour coding in a Wikipedia article like this one has. I suspect the red/green/yellow combinations are confusing to some colour blind people. Should we use blue for one of the three types instead? See WP:COLOUR. Tayste (edits) 18:39, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
- You're right. The page uses green, orange, and red for the conjugations and these colors are all in the same column at Help:Using colours#Schemes for colour-blind readers. This makes them difficult for color-blind readers to distinguish.
- The linked page suggests chosing at most one color from each column. One possible way is
- Red for 1st conjugation example : amare
- Lime for 2nd conjugation example : credere
- Blue for 3rd conjugation example : dormire
- Note that blue is confusable with the purple the page uses for the "-isc-" infix, but as -isc- only happens in 3rd conjugation verbs it's not too bad.
- I find that lime-on-white doesn't give much contrast - which makes it fatiguing to read - but we could perhaps also modify the background color:
- Lime-on-gray for 2nd conjugation example : credere
- But I'm not sure that's an improvement.
- Someone with some web design skills might be able to suggest a better scheme.
- It's a shame we can't parameterize the colors ("conj1", "conj2", "conj3", "isc_infix") so they can be changed in one place in the future. But it's just a big search-and-replace, which is easy enough. I'm happy to do it if there is some agreement on what colors we should use. Molinari (talk) 16:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- BTW: I found a tool that will filter a website to roughly show how it might look with various types of colorblindness: https://www.toptal.com/designers/colorfilter Molinari (talk) 16:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
Vowel length errors permeate phonemic transcriptions
[edit]A false claim is made in transcriptions such as /aˈmaːte/, repeated in every table that uses phonemic transcription. [aˈmaːte] and [aˈmate] cannot contrast in Italian. Vowel length is phonetic (allophonic) only, not phonemic. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 19:11, 24 August 2019 (UTC)