Talk:Siouan languages

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The following recent Open Access book could be included under bibliography. I have a conflict of interest, so I post this on the talk page.

Catherine Rudin & Gordon, James Bryan (eds.) 2016. Advances in the study of Siouan languages and linguistics (Studies in Diversity Linguistics 10). Berlin: Language Science Press. http://langsci-press.org//catalog/book/94 ISBN: 978-3-946234-37-1 doi: 10.17169/langsci.b94.118 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasy jatere (talk • contribs) 13:33, 30 May 2016‎

 Done. That's quite a goodie, I've added it now to the article. Thanks! Uanfala (talk) 21:40, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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given the historical origins of the word 'Sioux' as an exonym based in anishinaabe & french antagonism towards Dakota people, and
given the best practice of using a culture's own words to describe themselves (endonyms, autonyms), eg, Dakota/Lakota/Nakota instead of 'Sioux',
- shouldn't we be changing the name of this language family from 'Siouan' to 'Dakotan' ?
- and the 'Sioux' article to 'Dakota' ?

~ tpk (talk) 10:26, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I came here from "Hidatsa language" hoping to learn more about linguistically related tribes within this language family. This seems like a very pertinent piece of info.

I apologize if this is not the place to write a request/critique. I am not yet familiar with the system yet. Long-time lurker, first-time user.

I am also happy to help create/manage this request, if needed. But if I knew the information we wouldn't be here.

Thanks!

DumbleGore (talk) 06:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rankin, Robert L.; Carter, Richard T.; Jones, A. Wesley (1998). "Proto-Siouan Phonology and Grammar". In Li, Xingzhong; Lopez, Luis; Stroik, Tom (eds.). Papers from the 1997 Mid-America Linguistics Conference. Columbia: University of Missouri-Columbia. pp. 366–375.

This is one of the references on https://csd.clld.org/. Might this be published version of Rankin, Robert L., Carter, Richard T. & Jones, A. Wesley (n.d.). Proto-Siouan Phonology and Grammar. Ms. University of Kansas.? Snowman304|talk 22:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could we add where the Siouan languages (or proto-Siouan) is believed to have originated? 76.189.135.48 (talk) 21:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This text is in the Western Siouan languages article, but, perplexingly (and unhelpfully), not in this article:

Linguistic and historical records indicate a possible southern origin of the Siouan people, with migrations over a thousand years ago from North Carolina and Virginia to Ohio. Some continued down the Ohio River, to the Mississippi and up to the Missouri. Others went down the Mississippi, settling in what is now Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. Others traveled across Ohio to what is now Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, home of the Dakota. 76.189.135.48 (talk) 21:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm less familiar with this regarding language development, many Dakota people dispute archeological constructions that attribute their origins to the East. Dakota scholar Waziyatawin articulates this in her book What Does Justice Look Like?. You can see a few snippets of this conversation via Google Books and a bit of it in the summary portion of my draft.

Since the claim is controversial, it may have been removed for that reason. Regardless, if it was added again, it would have to discuss that scholars disagree. Pingnova (talk) 22:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello editors, I noticed that the article currently does not mention John Marsh (1799–1856), who is historically noted for compiling one of the earliest Dakota (Siouan) vocabularies and grammatical notes while living among the Sioux in the 1820s. Several historical sources (for example, John Marsh, Pioneer: The Life Story of a Trail-blazer on Six Frontiers by George D. Lyman, 1930) describe Marsh’s early efforts to document the Dakota language, including a small grammar and dictionary. While his notes were not widely published, some historians credit them as among the first systematic linguistic observations of a Siouan language by a Euro-American. Would editors consider including a brief, sourced mention of this in the article’s “History of study” section, provided reliable secondary sources are cited?

Thank you, DUROTDF (talk) 21:45, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip, DUROTDF; I'll take a look at since getting this page in better shape is on the to-do list. For any other editors who may come across this, this is John Marsh (pioneer). ThaesOfereode (talk) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]