Talk:Tamil genocide#Excessive use of Primary Sources

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Petextrodon, you have reverted many of my edits without explaining these in the take page.

1. PPT doesn't state that the 1956 pogroms were genocidal, and it refers to the North East Secretariat for Human Rights an Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam establishment. 2. You removed the SL Government attempts to make amends. Can I readd it with citation. ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 13:36, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Obi2canibe, can you please expand on why you reverted my content removal. "the source is in relation to the sentence" isn't clear. ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because I already explained them in the edit explanation itself. PPT discusses pogroms within the context of genocidal process that began since independence and culminated in 2009, therefore it's also relevant to be included here even as a background detail. Government helping to re-build library isn't about genocide therefore irrelevant.---Petextrodon (talk) 03:19, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Petextrodon, this vague as your edit comment. Can you please share the location or page number of the PPT publication that states the 1956 pogrom was genocidal? ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 13:48, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You need to read the whole document to understand them in their full context and not in isolation. On page 19, killings since 1956 are discussed as genocidal acts hence the pogroms fall within the timeframe covered. Also note that in other genocide articles, like Gaza genocide, not every sentence and source explicitly mentions genocide since some information are just meant to provide a general overview or context.

While these old discussions are going on, try to resolve them first instead of making further contentious edits and inundating editors with even more discussions.---Petextrodon (talk) 02:20, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Petextrodon isn't what you are doing Wikipedia:No original research? ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 10:02, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The wording itself doesn't misrepresent the source nor contain anything that can't easily be verified. Your dispute is about its relevance. It's mentioned in a source specifically dealing with Tamil genocide verdict. What more relevance is needed?---Petextrodon (talk) 11:44, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Petextrodon, if the source doesn't say what you claim and needs to be what you call represent or interpreted. Then I am sorry its No original research. ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 12:21, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oz346 can you please come to the talk page and explain why you are reverting my edits and re-entering excessive content already include in the main article, while removing my additions to give POV context? ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 13:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Oz346, you are yet to explain why you're reverting. ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 16:08, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have already given my reasons in the edit itself. There is no policy saying you cannot have common information in more than one page. In this case it is summary information drawn from the lede and not the bulk of the article. Finally, the details you added to describe sources are excessive and unnecessary. Tamil Times for example is a reliable source that does not need any explicit attribution. The other sources are recognised scholars. Naming them is suffice. Oz346 (talk) 06:56, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Oz346, what you said doesn't make sense. You first said it's ok to have excessive details and then you say its not. What is it? Can you please backup your claims with the relevant policies. ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 16:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1. The colonisation section is not excessive details.

2. Your excessive description of the sources is excessive and unwarranted.

So no, they do not contradict each other. Oz346 (talk) 16:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Oz346, why is it not excessive details in the colonisation section, when there are paragraphs of repeated content and why is it excessive and unwarranted when I had a few words? You are contradicting yourself and pushing your own POV. ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 09:58, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Oz346, I kindly ask you to either remove the excessive details in the colonisation section or readd the few words I added. ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 10:04, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We are going in circles, I have already answered your repeat Q, please read my earliest response again. Oz346 (talk) 14:11, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, you have not. You simply want to keep content supporting your POV and remove anything that disagree with it. Either you can have extensive content or not. So far you have not cited any rule that says otherwise. ÆthelflædofMercia (talk) 14:30, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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