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RublambThe pin described in the Reference were the favors for the evening, not member pins for the sisterhood. I think the member pins were the vaguely triangular pin pictured in the 1925 ion.Naraht (talk) 18:11, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will take a look. Thanks! Rublamb (talk) 18:52, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed and badge image had been added to the infobox Rublamb (talk) 19:49, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see that NPC in addition to JPHC was added both here and in the list of Sororities. Where is the source for that?Naraht (talk) 19:21, 20 November 2025 (UTC) RublambIf you are pulling from https://www.google.com/books/edition/Banta_s_Greek_Exchange/6baN3nOrnu0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA101&printsec=frontcover , the entry for Theta Upsilon says "Associate Member" not members, and Alpha Sigma Delta on page 103 starts another list alphabetically. I don't think the ones after that were associate members of the NPC.Naraht (talk) 19:31, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As sourced in the article, it is from Banta's, January 1928. Banta's has a list for sororities that is divided into subheadings. Tau Kappa Epsilon is in the (mostly) alphabetical list of sororities under the subheading Associate Member of Panhellenic Council, that starts on page 97, continues on page 100, and then to page 101 which include Theta Tau Epsilon. In the same issue, if you backtrack from the Theta Tau Epsilon listing on page 97, it is also included under Members of National Panhellenic Congress. I don't see an issue with this, as I recall reading that NPC went through periods of both accepting and expelling junior sororities, just like with secondary school sororities. Rublamb (talk) 19:49, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ITYM Theta Tau epsilon, not Tau Kappa Epsilon. We are looking at the same source, but as you indicated the header is Associate Member (singular) , *not* Associate Members (plural). And if it was a list of all Associate Members, it would all be Alphabetical. *not* with Theta Upsilon alone and then starting with an "A" Sorority. And all of the groups listed as being NPC associates in that article were primarily at Teacher's Colleges which was one level up from the Junior Colleges.Naraht (talk) 20:13, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we have two options. One is that Banta's made a mistake in ordering the list of associated members; the other is that it included a list of junior sororities in its directory without a heading. I feel like Banta's answers the issue for us. Please look at the list of Members of National Panhellenic Congress, the same issue, that starts on page 95; this list also includes Theta Tau Epsilon on page 97. Theta Tau Epsilon is also listed as an associate member in the July issue of Banta's.

In terms of what type of institutions that are included the list: Most teacher colleges/normal schools were initially one or two year institutions. Some only provided a teaching certificate, rather than degrees as we know them today. Depending on the state, educational requirements varied to teach in a public school. I can tell you that two years of college was all that was needed in many states in the 1920s; less if for a Black school. Therefore, I would totally expect to see some of the sororities or fraternities based at teacher colleges to be treated like junior colleges sororities by NPC in the 1920s. Many of the junior college sorority chapters became a chapter of a four-year sorority as their teaching colleges expanded their degrees; in other cases, the sororities dropped chapters at outliers so that they could join NPC.

Do we know for a fact that NPC never had a membership class for junior sororities? What did an associate membership in NPC mean in the 1920s? I recall seeing sources that referred to the Junior NPC as a division of NPC at one point. Rublamb (talk) 21:53, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is how I recall it. The Associate NPC member class was not as stringent in requiring all chapters to be at 4-year schools. Certainly that was true for the NIC. Jax MN (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Looking back at the Doc, the most significant fact that I see is that Theta Tau Epsilon, Sigma Iota Chi, etc. *aren't* part of the NPC is that the list at the *beginning of the Sororities* on page 95. The groups before Theta Tau are listed as having "Official Delegates to the Pan-hellenic Conference" and Theta Upsilon is listed as an associate member there.Naraht (talk) 15:50, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully we will find more info as we work on an article for Jr NPC. Jax may be able to get some info from Fran that will help. Rublamb (talk) 16:37, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have any of you reviewed the other sections of recent Baird's editions? I know that my 20th edition has the bylaws for all the then-active trade organizations. Earlier versions may have something about the JNPC or the NPC's associate members. Jax MN (talk) 23:14, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm fine if we want to move this discussion to WP:FRAT.Naraht (talk) 20:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]