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Hi Miniapolis! I'm a new copyeditor on Wikipedia, and I'm reaching out to you as one of the guild coordinators. Is it possible that I could trouble you for some advice? I normally work as a freelance copyeditor, and I enjoy contributing to Wikipedia also. I've encountered a few challenges, however, and I would be grateful for any tips. Would you be willing to engage in some discussion around this, or is there another guild member who you might consider referring me to? Thanks much!—Pac Veten Pac Veten (talk) 02:08, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to help, Pac Veten, and I'll do what I can. All the best, Miniapolis 18:32, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated! Is this page the best place to continue a discussion? Pac Veten (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. All the best, Miniapolis 20:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, in a nutshell, here's the situation that's puzzling me . . .

More than 90% of my copyedits are accepted quietly, in a rather humdrum way, I would say. But a small percentage encounter severe resistance from users who seem to feel ownership of a page, even possession or domain. For example, some tens of my routine edits were undone yesterday by a user in complete batches, without justification. After an unproductive thread with this user, the article's talk page has been silent in response, as has the Help Desk.

So my question here has two parts—motivational and logistical. Motivationally, how do other copyeditors keep enthusiasm in the face of similar challenges? Is there a discussion board, for example, with a focus on copyeditor needs and POVs? Logistically, is it best just to move on to another article, or is some form of escalation useful instead?

All in all, I suspect that these are routine questions. Any advice would be much appreciated! Pac Veten (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(←) When my copyedits are reverted for no good reason I stop the copyedit (no sense banging your head against a wall) and explain why on the article talk page, pinging the reverting editor. It doesn't happen often, but some editors think they WP:OWN an article. There are edit-warring and dispute-resolution noticeboards, but posters are expected to try dealing with a problem themselves first. Make sure your changes are Manual of Style-compliant. Without diffs, though, I can't say more. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 14:00, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the helpful comments!

Agreed, I think that WP:OWN is the essence of the problem here. You were curious about the article in question? It's Horror movies. The history section of this article is semi-protected, so it looks like these problems may have happened before.

For a large editing issue, those resources on edit warring and dispute resolution look great. For small editing like copy editing, the issues might be invisible for most editors. (For what it's worth, I try to use Wikipedia's MoS with a cascade to Chicago.)

Thanks again for the detailed comments on logistics! Could I please get your thoughts on my motivational question below, if you have a chance? Pac Veten (talk) 16:03, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When it comes to motivation, everyone is different. I usually don't take anything around here personally, and don't watchlist what I copyedit. All the best, Miniapolis 19:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much. Similarly about watchlisting, by the way. How do you choose the articles to copyedit? Pac Veten (talk) 16:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I enjoy backlog articles because there's usually no one looking over my shoulder and I can work at my own pace; YMMV, though. All the best, Miniapolis 19:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense! On a related subject, somebody from the Guild of Copyeditors just contacted me with an offer of 'adoption'. The username is GoldRomean. Would you generally recommend this sort of process? Pac Veten (talk) 16:34, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(←) I've never been adopted (or an adopter :-), but it looks fine. GoldRomean is standing for election as a GOCE coordinator. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 19:58, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! You're the first name that popped up in the recently active users tool linked in WP:ANI's header, so I hope you don't mind me bothering you with a question! I've admittedly made quite a mess trying to bring about what theoretically should've been an uncontroversial deletion of 35 two-decade old unreferenced stubs on short-lived American minor league soccer clubs from the 1990s, with no coverage in reliable third-party sources, per WP:NTEAM and WP:GNG.

I originally nominated them all at once through WP:PROD, but was met with concerns about the workload I was placing on reviewing admins by doing so. I withdrew them out of sympathy, and then tried to renominate them ten at a time at later dates. Twenty of the 35 were successfully deleted or blanked this way, before I was told that withdrawn PRODs cannot be renominated, and to go through WP:AFD instead. I started an AFD discussion on the remaining fifteen articles, and that was staunchly opposed on procedural grounds, too...

I was given the advice that I should now open AFD discussions on each article, one at a time. Such a process would at minimum take fifteen weeks, so before I commit to it, I'd like to know your opinion on whether this is a sound procedure, or if there's a possibility I'll encounter opposition on procedural grounds again by doing so. Thank you for reading through all of this. — AFC Vixen 🦊 20:41, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NODEADLINE. Yes, separate AfDs are the way to go for this many articles. Miniapolis 20:55, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. — AFC Vixen 🦊 21:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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