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I was typing in Wikipedia:Fa into the search bar because I was interested in reading about the FAC process. Anyways, Wikipedia:Fastily effect showed up as an option before I hit enter and intrigued me. Looking at the actual page itself left me somewhat uncomfortable. My main problem with it is that it's short and unnecessarily personal. You can make the argument that mass editing will inevitably lead to mistakes without coining a term like that. Do you still believe it's not a G10? I won't touch it myself because I'm a big part of the reason Fastily was eventually recalled and it really wouldn't be right for me to make a call regarding that. I'd feel similarly starting an MfD out of the concern that maybe it's just me that thinks that way. I thought about going to ask for an uninvolved opinion at WP:AN, but I should obviously ask you for your thoughts first. 2012 was a long time ago and it's possible you think differently about it now. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:56, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be perfectly clear, the statement is supposed to be read as it is. There are two footnotes for anyone who thinks it is an attack page. It is not. It is a defence page. Maybe even an exoneration page. You can read on Fastily's talk page how many people think it is a shame that he has left the project (including me). This is not a one-off, but there are certainly less confusing factors in this case. Maybe I should add some maths to prove the maxim, but I think most people can understand it. Fastily was a well-liked and competent editor and admin, as far as I know, which makes him a better exemplar than one of our more grumpy or less communicative colleagues, of how people fail to take into account the total productive work of an editor.

I'll quote User:Scope creep: … confused scale of work (with the associated human errors) with competence. There was never an issue of competence here. (Parenthesis mine.)

Please also read the discussion at User_talk:Fastily/Archive_6#Wikipedia:Fastily_effect

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 08:56, 20 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

It's possible that the definition of an "attack page" has broadened since this page was created because I've definitely seen similar pages be deleted via that rationale before. It is somewhat reassuring to know that Fastily didn't seem to have objections to it at the time. I also wish they hadn't left. My problem wasn't that they made mistakes (we're all human), but how it was dealt with. I don't think one should treat other editors that way. To me, it just seemed like coining a term regarding mistakes after any editor in particular was distasteful. Like the Keilana effect is more positive and the only other effect named after an editor I'm aware of. Anyways, I'll leave this alone. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:11, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I realize my comment above might not have been as clear as I was hoping. I don't think you have ill intentions, even if I do think it could possibly be interpreted as an attack page. What I would do if I was writing an essay like that would simply be to not name people and focus more on the statistical side of things, to avoid singling anyone out. But you don't have to do what I want and I see no reason to make a big deal out of everything now that I have some further context (the link to the talk page discussion you had with Fastily was a big factor in me coming to that conclusion). Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:30, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I was looking at User talk:Conversion script, as one does, and noticed this nomination.

I read the Afd and I was going to redirect the page to Glossary_of_poker_terms#C but I thought I'd check the term was included. The headword is there, but it refers the reader to the now deleted article.

Can the content be added to the glossary, please, and the page undeleted (for copyright reasons) and redirected to the section, or a new anchor.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 10:35, 4 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Hello, Rich,

In this case, I was just closing an AFD discussion where this term was the subject being discussed. All closers do is close discussions and we rely on our tool, XFDcloser, to handle the article, talk page and redirect deletions, to remove red links and other details involved an article deleted through an AFD. Perhaps the AFD nominator should have checked the "What links here" page link but it's not the responsibility of the closer to follow up and check every mention of an article title on the project. At least, I don't know of any discussion closers who do this. If any of my talk page stalkers know of an admin who goes to these lengths after an AFD closure, please mention them here.

As for your requests, I'll consider them today and tomorrow. Alternatively, if you think the closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Closed (poker) was incorrect or you want it overturned, you can file an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:58, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Copied to my talk, so I don't forget there are some actions needed here. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:44, 28 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

1. Find out if people do take care when deleting stuff. If not what can we do?
2. Fix this issue:
   1. Get the article undeleted and changed to a redirect.
   2. Copy the content to the Glossary_of_poker_terms#C.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:47, 28 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Thekla Popov is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thekla Popov until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Grumpylawnchair (talk) 21:45, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Most murders requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is:

• a disambiguation page with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" which lists only one extant Wikipedia page (i.e., there is a primary topic);
• a disambiguation page that lists zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title; or
• a redirect with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" whose target is neither a disambiguation page nor page that has a disambiguation-like function.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. Please see the disambiguation page guidelines for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Cabinetkey (she/her • ☎) 11:26, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cabinetkey Really? After 2 minutes? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 11:32, 29 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

A tag has been placed on Template:Use Commonwealth English spelling requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2021_May_14#Template:Commonwealth_English_and_Template:Use_Commonwealth_English. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discussion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:58, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is just soooo provocative. Rich is trying to find a solution, and this hostility is really unhelpful.  Ohc ^{revolution of our times} 23:38, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging disruptive edits is not hostile. Discussion is ongoing, and this editor is trying to route around it by recreating templates that were deleted by consensus and making significant edits to templates that are under discussion. Not to mention removing a speedy deletion template from a page created by this editor, which is explicitly forbidden in bold text on the speedy deletion template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• No one mentioned your hostile tagging.
• And yes it is hostile, even if it's not meant to be.
• Your claim of disruption is vacuous without any disruption.
• I did not recreate a template, let alone one that was deleted by consensus.
• There is no attempt to "route around" anything, the idea is to provide a solution which pragmatically provides the requirements of (almost) all parties (while delivering other benefits too).
  1. Allow a way to keep track of progress specifically by the Engvar script.
  2. Preserve the existing Use Fooian English structure, with readable template names.
  3. Address the need for a template where the variety of English is broadly applicable to countries that don't use Websterisms, but cannot be specified more finely.

Admittedly this does not explicitly deal with your goal of reducing the number of national templates, which I have some sympathy for. However this would be purely a community persuasion project. You could have an RFC and invite all the people who objected to the deletions to explain when Use Fooian English is better than Use International English or whatever naming convention you think has most chance of success. If you succeeded you would make all these templates (at least temporarily) redirects to Use International English and there would be a new set of DMCs, and n sets of old DMCs would be removed.

Hope that helps. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 10:22, 30 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

And, by the way, this is why we WP:Don't Template the Regulars. If, instead of tagging the template, you had left me a message asking why I had recreated the template, and could I, perhaps, {{g7}} it, that would have been far more productive. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 10:36, 30 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Recreating a deleted template is disruptive. Changing {{Use British English}} to use the EngvarB category is disruptive. And when it comes to templating the regulars, which is about user talk pages, not CSD templates, pot, meet kettle. You seriously templated me after disregarding the bold instructions on a speedy deletion template? I think you might need a break. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:19, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=delete&user=&page=Template%3AUse_Commonwealth_English_spelling&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist
2. How?
3. … templating the regulars, which is about user talk page … Look to the top of this section - that is a template, probably {{Db-G4-notice}}, on a user talk page.

As to removal of the {{G4}} (incidentally I created that short cut in 2015 to help you, use it wisely) your claim was egregiously wrong and I only read as far as the "If this template does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice" - my mistake, but hardly a serious one. If you had been correct, and you had left a polite message such as I suggest above, I would probably have {{G7}}'d it myself.

Note also I did not template you. I attempted to use humour to encourage more collaborative practices. I don't know if the humour backfired, you just didn't get the joke or something else is occurring, but it should be pretty clear to an objective observer.

If you have any goals here other than trying to move away from the EngvarB template, fix specific issues with the script and reduce the number of national templates, it would be useful to know what they are. You are giving the appearance of working against me when we broadly share these goals.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 15:34, 30 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]