User talk:Sam Sailor#Uw-uploadfirst Template

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Hi Sam, hope you've been doing well! I've been recently getting back into patrolling CAT:MISSFILE after not having much time for Wikipedia for a number of years. I just rediscovered the uw-uploadfirst template that you created (which is super useful and I'm definitely going to start utilizing it again!) back when we were working on this in 2018. Looking at the template, I was thinking it might be useful to split this idea into two different templates. In its current state, it seems to lean more towards explaining why external images can't be linked on Wikipedia, but I've been running into a number of missing files that are a result of users simply uploading non-external images incorrectly. Since you were the one to create the template, I wanted to get your thoughts on if you think a second template focusing on how to correctly upload non-external files might be useful. Thanks so much, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 19:02, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Katniss, good to hear from you. I trust you are well too. If you have a recurrent scenario where you find we are missing a template why not go ahead and create it? You could start by creating it in own user space, and solicit feedback from other users on the category talk page, if you wish. Or, if you’re bold, create it directly in template space. Let me know, if you need help. Best, Sam Sailor 20:21, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Sam, I've gone ahead and created the new template, which can be seen here. Given the new template, I slightly tweaked the wording of the original Uw-uploadfirst template to focus specifically on external images. If you have any concerns about the way I've changed the wording, please let me know! Cheers, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 22:45, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how {{uw-notuploaded}} fills a gap that was not already covered by {{uw-uploadfirst}}. Best, Sam Sailor 08:21, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam, I agree {{uw-uploadfirst}}'s original wording covered both the issue of external images and users uploading non-existent files. However, I feel these are two separate issues. Many new users add non-existent files to pages that are not necessarily links to external images. I think it is unnecessarily confusing for new users to have {{uw-uploadfirst}} worded in a way that attempts to cover both issues when both aren't always relevant to the situation. The wording of {{uw-uploadfirst}} mostly focuses on external images, and I think it would be more effective if it just tries to cover that one issue, rather than also trying to be worded in a way that could also vaguely apply to non-external images.

From patrolling it every day, the vast majority of the issues that pop up there are new users who are unfamiliar with how to upload images. From communicating with some of these new users who are struggling to understand Wikipedia's complex image policy, having simpler, concise wording that addresses a single issue (rather than multiple) has seemed to be the most effective way to get them to understand what the issue is. Hope that explains things, but happy to clarify further if needed. Cheers, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 15:21, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for the delayed reply. Sorry, I disagree and regard it as an unnecessary split. I'll revert in {{uw-uploadfirst}} and continue to use this template. It has worked well for years, more than 15 actually, and was, btw, not created by me. Best, Sam Sailor 17:19, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam, thanks for your input. "Created" was not the correct word choice; what I had meant is that the current wording of {{uw-uploadfirst}} that I was wanting to change was something added by you in 2018. I have no issue with the version before the linked revision. I will not revert your most recent edit for now, but I am going to seek further input from others on this issue. I've started a discussion on the CAT:MISSFILE talk page, and I may choose to start a discussion somewhere else if I don't get any responses there (not sure how frequented that particular talk page is). Cheers, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 18:13, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sam! I noticed you're using the Unfiltered script. Would you be interested in contributing translation strings for Danish? If yes, I've emailed you a link to a form where you can submit a translation. The form includes links to documentation, images showing where and how the strings are used, and some rough translations (including Danish). If not, no worries!

Incidentally, Unfiltered now supports several more page types and Headway supports more noticeboards than before, so you may want to update your common.js if any of those additions are interesting to you. Regards. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 21:26, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Quinlan: Done with pleasure, my apologies for the delay. Thanks for all the scripts you make and share. Best, Sam Sailor 17:06, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! In User:Sam Sailor/common.js please change "ExternalLinkMonitor2.js" to "ExternalLinkMonitor.js". I removed the number 2. Thanks, Polygnotus (talk) 00:26, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]