Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Cramer

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎ for which a consensus has emerged following relisting. (non-admin closure) Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:57, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Cramer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Article was created by the subject's son in 2006 (edit: looks like Cramer edited his article a few times under Dylanrcramer12 (talk · contribs) and Dylanrcramer (talk · contribs)) and has survived for nineteen years with a single source – the subject's own website. I found two news articles on Dylan Cramer (one, two), but they do not mention any major works or accomplishments. The book Journeys to the Bandstand has a chapter on him and his father, but is unlikely to mention anything that would make him notable (or there would be other news sources reporting on it). Cramer appears to be a local Vancouver musician who does not satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. Iiii I I I (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Bands and musicians, Music, and Canada. Iiii I I I (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Keep as subject does not appear to meet any of the 12 criteria for WP:MUSICBIO. I searched newspapers.com as well and found many notices about upcoming performances and the like (mainly in Vancouver area) but I don't see any sigcov to support WP:BASIC either. Zzz plant (talk) 04:37, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - This is a close call because the musician has gained respect from other musicians, and that generated some basic coverage among afficionados, but unfortunately I must agree with the in-depth conclusions by the nominator and previous voter. There simply isn't enough with which to build an encyclopedic article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:47, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as well as the book chapter and news pieces highlighted by the nominator I found two staff-written album reviews at AllMusic here and here. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. In addition to the above, I found reviews for All Night Long at JazzTimes, All About Jazz, de:Rondo (Musikmagazin) [1] [2] [3] and in an index for Jazz Improv (magazine) [4]. I only searched for that one album. The fact that reviews are found across continents negates the "local musician" claim. Geschichte (talk) 07:32, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep He meets WP:NMUSIC with the reviews found by the previous two editors, plus the chapter, plus there are long articles about Cramer and his first album (The First One, DSM, 1998, later re-released as Remembering Sonny Criss) in the French language newspaper Le Devoir (from the opposite side of Canada), one of which says "Il faut connaître Dylan Cramer. ... Cet album, il faut en goûter chaque note. Car Dylan Cramer a ceci qui est trės rare: chaque note mérite le doigté le plus fin qui soit." (You have to know Dylan Cramer. ...With this album, you have to savor every note. Because Dylan Cramer has something that is very rare: every note merits the finest fingering possible.) Plus, WP:MUSICBIO#5 says "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels" - he has released 3 albums on Nagel-Heyer Records. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Compelling arguments on both the sides. More input from community is appreciated. Also, a source eval would be great.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 12:02, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Some articles about this person doing tributes to other people [5], but nohting about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 23:53, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See above Geschichte (talk) 07:28, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Here is another review, from Jazzwise [6] Geschichte (talk) 07:28, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I have added the reviews that I and other editors have found to the article. The article text needs editing - I'll try to do that tomorrow. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:15, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I've updated my vote to keep above. I was initially hesitant bc many of the reviews are quite thin (~250 words) and I couldn't verify that all of the jazz sites qualify as reliable sources, but the combo of 1) Le Devoir piece 2) three albums on a notable record label makes this a pass of WP:NMUSIC in my view. Zzz plant (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: There are enough reviews and analysis of his work to keep the article (e.g. [7], [8], [9]). —LastJabberwocky (talk) 10:42, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I agree with RebeccaGreen. He has been an unknown star in recent times but with several notable works and their reviews are also available. He was also known to have a great influence and passes WP:SINGER. HilssaMansen19 (talk) 12:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I could find enough sources on internet on this subject. And appears to be independent and significant as well.He passes WP:SINGER. WikiMentor01 (talk) 13:37, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.