Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universal Identifier Network

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The "keep" !votes are not policy based and mostly boil down to WP:ILIKEIT. The "delete" !votes correctly point to deficiencies in the sourcing. Randykitty (talk) 17:30, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Possible violation of WP:NOTNEO. Unable to find any sources other than patents that even describe any concept called a "Universal Identifier Network". No sources describing a segregation of network into "Pervasive Service Layer" and "Infrastructure Layer" either. ― Padenton |☎  07:35, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – This is another version of (this article), which was userfied in (this AfD). It's the result of a Chinese research project into the next-generation Internet. The original article had cites for that article. This one needs cites for the other projects. – Margin1522 (talk) 08:31, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment –This is one case of the Identifier Network. The related reference need to be cited.Cheewii (talk) 14:51, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment –We have added several references and patents to support this article. And we would complete this article as soon as possible. Thanks for your valuable suggestions.Jiangzhongbai (talk) 14:54, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment –These references seem ok. More contents should be added later by others.Cheewii (talk) 14:56, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete – Per WP:NOTNEO and WP:SOAP. To be honest, I consider this article just like a promotion which can promote so-called "Identifier Network" and the refs in this article may even do not exist. Besides, I noticed a article on Chinese Wikipedia in a similar name which has been deleted. Clearly, they wanted to do the same promotions on other projects. (per here) Whaterss (talk) 01:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:25, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:25, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment -All the references can be found using google scholar and IEEE Xplore. We can ensure the reliability of our references. Besides, this article is another version of Identifier Network with a more accurate title and is wrote neutrally. Our purpose is just describe the Universal Identifier Network, not promoting any organization. Thanks for you valuable comments. Jiangzhongbai (talk) 10:39, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - In my opinion, Universal Identifier Network is a new design for the future Internet architecture, which is a hot research topic now. According to the references, I find some papers and patent can support the Universal Identifier Network. Therefore, it is useful for some researchers and should be kept. Cheewii (talk) 13:15, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That is pure WP:CRYSTAL. Tigraan (talk) 11:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - The Universal Identifier Network is not a crystal ball because it is an approach to evolve the Internet infrastructure to a more efficient and energy saving network architecture. It is something like the information-centric networking. The preparation for the implementation of the Universal Identifier Network is already in progess. And it has been tested and applied in several areas and corresponding pantents have been granted. Jiangzhongbai (talk) 12:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The UIN itself is not crystal ball speculation, but saying it will become famous any moment now (without providing sources) is. Tigraan (talk) 21:08, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Patents are meaningless, they give them out like candy. Provide a WP:RS source that the structure of the internet is being changed to use your research project and I will withdraw this nomination. ― Padenton|✉   14:00, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Padenton. I have got some demonstrations of the applicaiton of Universal Identifier Network. It may be illegal to post these documents in the wikipedai because of WP:PROMO. So, could you please give me an e-mail address so as to transfer the documents to you? Thanks for your valuable advices.114.255.40.50 (talk) 00:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AfD evidence is supposed to be public. Moreover, even a 1,000 pages long laboratory book would not prove anything, since it is a primary source. Padenton's point is (I suppose) that anyone who wants to pay the money for a patent is granted one, provided some very general rules apply for patentability, none of which having anything to do with notability. (Quite oppositely, products are usually not notable until commercial distribution, which comes after the patent.) Tigraan (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I would also like to draw attention to the fact that Cheewii appears to be one of the other people on this research project judging from their edit history. ― Padenton|✉   14:03, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The application demonstrations have been added in this article, which demonstrate the feasibility of the Universal Identifier Network and the structure of the internet is being changed gradually.Jiangzhongbai (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of interesting ideas, groundbreaking industrial processes, or mind-changing books are not on Wikipedia. You have not demonstrated that the UIN is notable in the Wikipedia sense, which is loosely translated in plain English by "covered by independant press". Tigraan (talk) 09:40, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your valuable advices. The UIN is a famous program for the next generation network in China. Just as the Named data networking in America and Future Internet Research and Experimentation in European Union, UIN is notable in the research area of future Internet architecture. Therefore, I post this article on Wikipedia for more users to refer to it. Jiangzhongbai (talk) 13:23, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Err, no. First you become notable, then you get a WP page, not the other way around. Maybe it is notable, but then WP:PROVEIT. Tigraan (talk) 09:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean some of the citations are not reliable? If it is the case, please point out the citations which are under doubt. Because I thought I had cited the reliable references. Thanks. Jiangzhongbai (talk) 14:43, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am not questioning the verifiability of the references, neither is anyone else from what I read; I am questioning their worth in establishing notability. See WP:IINFO: the mere fact that something is true, sourceable or useful to some people does not warrant inclusion, and demonstrate how the sources meet the requirements from WP:GNG or another notability guideline. You should really read the whole thing, but "notability" loosely translates to "with unusual coverage by press". Tigraan (talk) 11:04, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete the unpublished reviews added do not demonstrate notability. Only published material does. When it does become impotant, there will be abundant references. DGG (at NYPL) -- reply here 19:49, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have added some content in my article, wchich demonstrate the academic impact of the Universal Identifier Network. Moreover, the UIN has won the National Award for Science and Technology Invention in 2014. Combined with the engeering application, it may be enough to demonstrate the notability of the UIN. And in my opinion, the purpose of all the engineering disciplines is to be accepted and used by industry. So, the applicaion demonstrations is able to demonstrate the value of the UIN.Jiangzhongbai (talk) 03:17, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG at a level I'd like to see for a research idea. Hobit (talk) 23:51, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At first, thanks for your valuable advices. I have added some content in this article to demonstrate the academic impact of UIN. And in my opinion, the purpose of all the engineering disciplines is to be accepted and used by industry. So, the applicaion demonstrations is able to demonstrate the value of the UIN. Jiangzhongbai (talk) 14:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I find there are many similar wikipedia artcles （projects） about Future Internet, such as Content centric networking, Named Data Networking. It seems great to connect all these related projects. 218.249.50.171 (talk) 02:59, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.