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Category:Username changing and usurpation templates

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Username changing templates. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 00:31, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Changing implies usurpation. Additionally, Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations was closed down by community consensus, and all relevant templates have been deleted (see the various discussions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 June 19). Thus, rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:55, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Market towns in Moldavia

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:55, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, trivial intersection between history and geography. The places in the category were once in the principality of Moldavia but currently in Romania, Moldova and Ukraine (and already categorized as such). Marcocapelle (talk) 11:41, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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New Spain

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Thorough discussion, disparate opinions, and unlikely that relisting again will result in consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:02, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename/merge/re-parent, all of this belongs in the tree of Category:People from New Spain. Before the 19th century there was no distinction between Mexican, Costa Rican and Nicaraguan people. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also note that I created Category:Captaincy General of Guatemala without removing articles from any current country categories. - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:39, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:02, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This just makes a mess because many of these people are defined by the modern nation. SMasonGarrison 21:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've thought about this a bit more now. What if we handled these categories the same way that the HRE (Category:18th-century people from the Holy Roman Empire) is a parent for Category:18th-century German people etc? SMasonGarrison 21:54, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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1520s treaties

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:53, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are too few items to require breaking down by year - the decade should suffice. – numbermaniac 08:29, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Judaeo-Italian languages

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Judeo-Italian dialects. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:53, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The former implies a closer linguistic relationship between Italian and the other Jewish languages of Italy than there actually is. The latter is much less ambiguous. Arctic Circle System (talk) 02:34, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Debutantes

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The result of the discussion was: merge (in some cases, manually, as noted in the nomination). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:54, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT and WP:NOT
A debutante is a high status girl or young woman, maybe 18, who has a coming out during the social season at a formal ball. I'm sure this dance seemed important at the time and covering who went and what dress they wore would make sense in a school yearbook or society page. But our encyclopedia covers notable women like Mary Pickford (who lived to be 49 and served as Member of Parliament) and Vera Wang (who is now 75 and is Vera Freaking Wang). Many other women in these categories were known primarily for being socialites, where this feels like one day of that broader role. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the categories for Debutantes of le Bal de debutantes and Debutantes of the International Debutante Ball are categorizing people based on membership to a deb society, not nationality, and therefore, if merged, should not be merged to French socialites and Socialites from Manhattan, as both balls are international events including women from all over the world. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 19:45, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, added a manual merge to the French one to avoid miscategorizing people; the intent is to merge to whichever socialite category applies. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I think there's been a misunderstanding. Those debutantes aren't all French, they just make their debut in France. Just as all the debutantes at the International Debutante Ball aren't American. Both are international events with debutantes from all over the world. Those two categories are not tied to a nationality. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:23, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw your comment about manually merging, got it! Please disregard my comment above. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:24, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Stabbing survivors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:53, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT and WP:NOT
Being stabbed to death seems defining, but this feels more like a personal medical history than anything encyclopedic. I'm struggling to imagine the Wikipedia reader that would want an easy navigational pathway between Louis XV (assassination attempt), Ian Watkins (prison shanking), Brad Young (street mugging), Andre Gray (gang fight), Anton Du Beke (child abuse), Lucky Luciano (police brutality?), Adele Morales (domestic violence), and John Finch (drunken fight over theatre tickets). - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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