Wikipedia:Help desk#Problem with (sandbox) relative linking?

Hello! In October 2024, Poppy released a double single titled "The Cost of Giving Up / Crystallized", and both songs are from her album Negative Spaces. However, in March 2025, "The Cost of Giving Up" was officially sent to radio as a single. How should this be reflected in her discography page? Should it be kept as "The Cost of Giving Up / Crystallized" (2024) or "The Cost of Giving Up" (2025), and what would happen to "Crystallized"? Gabriella Grande (talk) 19:39, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriella Grande, you might ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pop music. -- Hoary (talk) 08:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be late to the party, Gabriella Grande. My personal opinion is that you should treat the Oct 2024 release and the March 2025 release as two separate entities with two separate entries in the table. This is not based on any written Wikipedia preference that I know of (though there may be one), but solely on my common sense. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.210.159.137 (talk) 22:13, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How coulf I fix this? bcl:Module:Documentation? Shimin_Ufesoj (🦜) 04:04, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ShiminUfesoj You are at the English language Wikipedia, which is a different project from the Central Bikol Wikipedia. You will need to ask there. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, no one knows how because it's just a small Wikipedia project, not that many people edit it.. I'm just hoping someone can help with this. Shimin_Ufesoj (🦜) 08:41, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @ShiminUfesoj. I'm not very familiar with Lua, but it looks to me as if the call to message() is looking its first argument up in an array called cfg[]. At 144, the call is message ('container'); which means that it is trying to look up the entry cfg['container'], and not finding it.

Array cfg is populated by

mw.loadData('Module:Documentation/config')

My guess (and it's only a guess) is that somebody has copied the lua module over to bcl-wiki, without copying (or, rather, translating) its config file.

I'm afraid I can't help you beyond that. You might find Wikipedia:Lua has something useful, or else ask at WP:VPT. Make it clear in your question that though this is in a different Wikipedia, it's a question about modules. ColinFine (talk) 09:57, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ShiminUfesoj: I don't know Lua but the error message mentions cfg.container. Module:Documentation/config sets cfg['container'] and bcl:Module:Documentation/config does not. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:04, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Shantavira: Volunteers on English Wikipedia regularly—and very generously—help out with technical issues on other Wikimedia projects. Please bear that in mind in future, when answering such questions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

--Thank you guys for the help, I found out someone module missing so I'll create that one... --Shimin_Ufesoj (🦜) 00:08, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I see I can see a map and location Battle of Rozgony + London Could you explain how works this? How can I do the same for any location? OrionNimrod (talk) 11:05, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not clear what you're asking; please can you rephrase the question, and elaborate? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:24, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the infobox, you can see maps in many articles and red point which marks the location on the map. I do not know how can I do the same or how works this. OrionNimrod (talk) 12:37, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Probably I found it Template:Location map + Template:Location map/List + Module:Location map/data/Hungary OrionNimrod (talk) 13:11, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dear All, Can you help me to create page for Polcasan. It's not a commercial nor advertisement . English is not my native language . So,I need your help. Polcasan is a adorable mascot.That why i want to write for him. He is very famous in Thai. Please Help. NMCapri (talk) 11:31, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You Draft:Polcasan was declined and you seem to have re-submitted it. It will, I predict, be declined again as it has insufficient reliable sources. If English is not your first language, why not try to create an equivalent article in the Wikipedia language you are fluent in? Do not use a chatbot to do so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NMCapri Please do not remove threads from the Help Desk as you did recently Even if no longer useful to you, the information may help others. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:16, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What is the format to request an article deletion? Rafael Hello! 00:34, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

see WP:PROD. Sys64wiki (talk) 00:43, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rafaelthegreat: While WP:PROD is one option, it can be removed by any user – if that gets declined, you can nominate the article to WP:AFD for a more in-depth discussion. You can install WP:Twinkle to make the AfD nomination. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:06, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab) § Machine Translation Cross-checking?

 – Aaron Liu (talk) 02:01, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Future I Saw has {{AI-generated}}, which it does –a Mainichi Shimbun headline translated. I had used DeepSeek, ChatGPT, and LMArena and simply chose what was to my eyes the most informative, comprehensive one. Given the innate subjectivity, what would be best practice? Including the best two, three, or four? kencf0618 (talk) 01:55, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Translating a headline imho isn't a big enough issue for an article-level cleanup banner, although it is best if someone fluent in Japanese can double-check it. Citing ChatGPT as a source for the translation isn't needed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:59, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Peetel Was the machine-translated headline the only reason you added the LLM tag? If so, that tag is usually and was created for substantial portions of the article's text being AI-generated, not for foreign-language sources being machine-translated, especially not just a headline. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:03, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I added that based on the unabridged chatgpt citation, I assumed a wide section was LLM generated. Apologies if this is wrong, feel free to remove. Peetel (talk) 08:42, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saurashtra Update Weekly Newspaper has been published regularly for the last 10 years and its owner, printer, and editor are Mr. Isabhai Hussainbhai Darvesh (Yusufbhai), 2409:40C1:100A:EEBC:7427:C2FF:FEF7:910F (talk) 10:13, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a database of things that exist. There are criteria for inclusion, which we call notability. A Wikipedia article about a newspaper or any business must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it is a notable organization. Writing a new article is very challenging, and it's harder even with a conflict of interest and paid status as you would have with your newspaper. 331dot (talk) 10:18, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s all about love and kindness. 2601:582:C683:C0C0:FD01:3633:AE97:A0EC (talk) 13:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your question is unclear. Please rephrase it, and say how it relates to editing Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the editors of the Article "Untitled Trey Parker Film", I've come to apologize if I did something wrong. I did not mean to spam, but warn users of what was happening. Can it count as spam? Gnu779 ( talk) 13:48, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm only just a learner, a type of user between Newcomers and Experienced ones. I have to learn from these mistakes. I wanted to prevent a big edit war at that article, but the only thing was that... eh... Gnu779 ( talk) 13:49, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gnu779: I think you probably left too many messages and as I have not looked into the history of Untitled Trey Parker film they don't make much sense to me. You could have posted on the article talk page and WP:Pinged other editors. Bearcat responded to your message by WP:Semiprotection of the article, so you could have tried WP:Requests for page protection instead. TSventon (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, but the thing I was trying was warning the users about what was happening. I've now learned a big lesson. Gnu779 ( talk) 15:15, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gnu779: OK, you've made a mistake. That is to be expected. If you learn from it and don't repeat it, then it shouldn't affect your career as a Wikipedia editor. Mjroots (talk) 09:52, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank God. From now on, when I see events like this, I'll report to protection. Gnu779 ( talk) 15:37, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I want to nominate a file for discussion, but I can't use Twinkle for some reason, even though I have it, and also cannot edit it to place a template, since it says "View on Commons". RaschenTechner (talk) 15:08, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RaschenTechner If the file is hosted on Commons, it has to be deleted there. See c:Commons:Deletion_policy for the options. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

... you can, of course, edit any article in which it appears to remove it from display in that article. Explain in your edit summary why you are doing so and prepare to be reverted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:16, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if I have the required user rights on Commons to do so or if I will get blocked by an edit filter for "temporary sockpuppetry" as a false positive. RaschenTechner (talk) 15:27, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm replying to your first comment, not your secont one. RaschenTechner (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• second one

RaschenTechner (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only admins on Commons can delete files there. To set that off, you have to propose the file for deletion in the various ways the page I linked explains. To give you more advice here it would help if you named the file in question and why you think it needs to be deleted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:48, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that I don't know if I have the required user rights to request deletion. RaschenTechner (talk) 17:19, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No user rights are required to request deletion on Commons. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:20, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a proposal to merge the first two, but what about the 3rd one. To me, it looks like it describe exactly the same thing.

I'm not sure how to propose to merge all 3 into one. jcubic (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There might be a better way, but I suggest just starting two different merge proposals, which would allow the two proposals/articles to be better discussed independently. GoldRomean (talk) 15:36, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to make a afd called Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rapolas because I wanted to merge it with Raphael (given name). Most people said "keep" because it is a name page. Many people, mainly User:ExRat said it so rudely too. So I decided to make an article called draft:Rafael (name page) that was also a cognate of Raphael (given name) but it got declined because it could be merged with Raphael (given name). This makes no sense. Please someone do something about this. Rafael Hello! 16:33, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see zero rudeness in ExRat's comments. I see someone who posted comments disagreeing with you, strongly, using multiple wikipedia guidelines and similar bases, and asking questions about your position. That sounds like a pretty standard way that people discuss or debate an idea based on the idea's merits. I see that you have had many article-drafts declined and are facing strong opposition for other proposals you have made. I recommend you take their concerns to heart rather than keeping doing the same thing and expecting different results. If you think someone is behaving poorly, the very first step is to discuss it directly with them, being sure to state exactly what words they used that you felt were a problem. DMacks (talk) 16:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you wanted to merge two articles, you should have proposed a merger, not a deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:17, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm one of the !voters who voted against your proposition. The names are simply too different. Your draft got declined because there are already numerous Rafaels listed in Raphael (given name)#Rafael, though either keeping them together or splitting them off is generally considered acceptable. (Also, the disambiguation "name page" is non-standard.) In fact, I will do the split, since there are separate dab pages, Raphael (disambiguation) and Rafael. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a hat-note using {{For}} to the existing article for the novel Stone and Sky, pointing to Rivers of London (book series), which now includes a novel of the same name. I feel that a 'reverse' hat-note (from Rivers... to Stone and Sky) would not make sense, as the new Stone and Sky is only a small item in the whole article. Is there an appropriate note that can be added to the Rivers... article, perhaps at the point where Stone and Sky is listed? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 18:37, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Verbarson. I can't see the point of this. The purpose of a hatnote is to say "If you came here looking for Y instead of X, this is where you'll find it". But I can't think of any circumstances in which somebody will be looking in Rivers of London for the other Stone and Sky. ColinFine (talk) 19:27, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ColinFine:, you are probably right. I'm too concerned with cross-referencing everything. We haven't even got an article on at least one other novel of the same name by Z S Diamanti (no author article either). -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 19:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m wanting to test the Wikipedia tabbed browsing feature that was added a bit ago on the iOS app. Is there a way to forcefully enable it even though I’m not in one of the testing groups? From D0nk M3m3s (talk) 20:36, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only way it is to possibly create a new account and delete the app but not sure if it will work Isla🏳️‍⚧ 00:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I know how to access the page views of articles, but I'm interested in seeing what the most viewed pages that are not in mainspace. The reason why I am asking this question is because I am thinking about proposing WP:Contents for removal from the sidebar, but I'm wondering if the reason why it has the page views it has is because it is easily accessible on the sidebar. I don't really see a point in having a directory of articles when you can just search for articles especially since there is no directory for biographies. Hope you can help. Please ping me when you respond. Interstellarity (talk) 00:59, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Interstellarity: I only know https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/topviews. Disable "Show only mainspace pages" and write wikipedia: in the search field to see currently four pages in the overall top-1000. file: also gives four but I doubt it's human views. help: and portal: give one. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter Thank you. I'll look into it. Interstellarity (talk) 12:11, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Biographies are under Wikipedia:Contents/People and self. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:48, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was editing Małgorzata and I wasn't able to find a guideline for {{infobox name}} (e.g. where to write etymology, pronunciation...) and how to write pseudonyms (e.g. pipe tricks or not) in these lists. Could you help me?-- Carnby (talk) 04:41, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Carnby The full parameter list for the template is at the link you provided. It has examples in the documentation that you can follow. The parameters for the etymology are a combination of origin and derivation parameters whereas pronunciation is an individual parameter. You can use "what links here" on the template page to find more examples than are listed on that page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:36, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am a professor of fish biology at a university, where I teach an upper division class on Fish Biology. Each year, 150 students will write original species accounts, including biology, life history and taxonomy of a fish species. Last year, we wrote these up as Wikis and posted them to Wikipedia. It was a great project that really improved the Wiki resource for the public, and allowed the students to improve scicomm skills. However, there was much frustration from students about the difficulty of using correctly cited images from the scientific literature. I could use guidance on how we can use scanned images from journal articles, which was difficult even when we used open source material, correctly cited. I also had a sense that fish editors were frustrated with the number of changes and additions that were being made. Is there a way I can work with editors to anticipate this effort and reduce confusion? Thanks. N. Mercedis (talk) 08:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

However, there was much frustration from students about the difficulty of using correctly cited images from the scientific literature, can you cite those material here, the images your students used? What caused the frustration?

You can not add scanned images without giving authenticity of publisher or creators of the material, also,such as their consent from their part that they are allowing you to publish it. Even if you have created those inages by your own consciousness, there is some clarification that are still required. Though, due to lack of any historical references, I am quite confused from your question.

As you said, the reasearchs were performed by your students, which classifies Original research, which is often condemned if not backed by verifiable sources.

I also had a sense that fish editors were frustrated with the number of changes and additions that were being made. A mature response for this would be that "its very classic thing". Wikipedia, with quite large amount of edits, often changes its article content from time to time, time spanning within minutes to year. so if your students' edits were removed or were dumped under new edits, that's expected.

Please answer if that's what you meant. Kangarooblock 09:34, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with using images is copyright. Wikipedia generally needs images to be under licences that allow free re-use for any purpose, including commercial. If your students wish to take their own photographs and upload them to Wikimedia Commons under a suitable licence, then great. Other than that, use images already uploaded to Commons. Mjroots (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

..or use images that are already under an acceptable free licence per c:COM:L. These typically include images from open-licensed scientific papers, or with an open licence on sites like iNaturalist (note that not all of their images are under open licence).

If OP or their students are not sure whether a particular image or set of images are suitably licensed, ask at Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kangarooblock: Where does N. Mercedis say "reasearchs [SIC] were performed by [their] students"? They say nothing about edits being rejected for being poorly cited, and refer quite clearly to using "open source material, correctly cited" for media; why do you suppose that they do not do so for text? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:47, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sys64wiki: - and please fix your sig so that it displays your username. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i think your consciousness tells you I am bit confused by op question but I tried to explain him as much as possible. Kangarooblock 15:31, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@N. Mercedis, have you read WP:Student assignments? There's good guidance there for educators. Additionally, if your university is located in the US, you're probably eligible for the Wikipedia:Education program, which provides extra support to instructors and students. That includes providing structure that helps other editors understand that there's a student assignment involved. -- Avocado (talk) 13:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You may also find Wikipedia:WikiProject Fishes useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@N. Mercedis: Thanks for your efforts. -Arch dude (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@N. Mercedis: Copyright law is very restrictive, and we follow the law. The complexities are not somethin we made up: they follow from the law, and they really impede all of us. If the image is from a journal, we cannot in general use it. The hassles of getting a journal image under a suitable copyright license are likely too much for a student project. Your student might be able to get the original author of the journal paper to upload an original image to Wikipedia. If the journal published the image under a suitable open license, then the mechanics are still a bit complicated but are reasonably easy to handle if you use the Wikipedia:File upload wizard. If it's too cokmplicated, put a linmk to the free image into the talk page of your new article and ask for help. -Arch dude (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@N. Mercedis: Articles on Wikipedia will be modified by other editors. This is fundamental to the Wikipedia philosophy and is radically different from the way science has been published in the past. If you are trying to teach students to produce papers for journals, then this is not for you. Instead, set up a web site that you can control and do not allow random editing. Your students can publish there with no interference. If your site runs the same Wikimedia software we use here, your students can easily copy their work from that site onto Wikipedia. Our "anybody can edit" philosophy has worked for 20 years and has resulted in by far the largest and (arguably) best encyclopedia that has ever existed. I hope you urge your students to monitor changes to the articles and discuss those changes on the article's talk pages to reach consensus with the "meddling" editors. -Arch dude (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Arch dude: I see nothing in N. Mercedis's post which suggests they were "trying to teach students to produce papers for journals", or edit Wikipedia in "the way science has been published in the past", or that they are complaining that other people have edited their students' work. Their students are welcome to contribute to Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing: I inferred this, possibly incorrectly, from "I also had a sense that fish editors were frustrated with the number of changes and additions that were being made. Is there a way I can work with editors to anticipate this effort and reduce confusion?" In any event, the students must learn how the Wikipedia "anyone can edit" philosophy is supposed to work. They should not be trying to change the behavior of all of the other editors. -Arch dude (talk) 15:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where is "anyone can edit" contradicted? The students are "anyone"; they edited, some other people didn't like that.

If those other editors are being unreasonable, why not try to change that behaviour? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:56, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding using images from published works, see c:Commons:Uploading works by a third party. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:51, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Andy with all respect I don't think you are supposed to act too smart and don't respect others contribution. Even if they are not dancing telling them to dance appropriately doesn't mean I am supposed to shoot myself, is it?

Also "Each year, 150 students will write original species accounts, including biology, life history and taxonomy of a fish species" refers to the fact he meant research that his students conducted and nothing I told him is useless or unilateral. Please for god sake behave like an experienced editor. Kangarooblock 15:28, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It does not; and I'd rather be "too smart" than "not smart enough". YMMV.

I can barely parse most of your post; it appears to be gibberish. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:59, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also I am free to use sigs as long as they are not hateful or censored words. I appreciate your intelligence. Kangarooblock 15:29, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I want to second the advice from Avocado, to read WP:ASSIGN, and to make use of WP:Education Program. I see from your user page that you are at UC Davis, so as an instructor in the US, you are entitled to, and should definitely make use of, that program. It will be very beneficial to your students. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While having the search tool display multiple options as I typed in a Muslim historical name, I was wondering what the longest string at the beginning of an article name that isn't Unique? For example, I know it is at least 18 since both George Washington University and George Washington Carver start with the same 18 characters. I *guess* this could be done with repeated database queries looking for a substring with count > 1, but that seems ugly. Any ideas how to get that information?Naraht (talk) 10:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Naraht: Cneoridium dumosum (Nuttall) Hooker F. Collected March 26, 1960, at an Elevation of about 1450 Meters on Cerro Quemazón, 15 Miles South of Bahía de Los Angeles, Baja California, México, Apparently for a Southeastward Range Extension of Some 140 Miles. with a period at the end was moved back to Cneoridium dumosum (Nuttall) Hooker F. Collected March 26, 1960, at an Elevation of about 1450 Meters on Cerro Quemazón, 15 Miles South of Bahía de Los Angeles, Baja California, México, Apparently for a Southeastward Range Extension of Some 140 Miles without the period. That left behind a redirect which doesn't qualify but I found it amusing. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:38, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Wikipedia_records#Title length suggests that another (rather boring) candidate is an article starting Lopado­temacho­selacho­galeo­kranio....etc. and its redirect. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:47, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Wimbledon Championships – Women's singles (46 characters) and 2025 Wimbledon Championships – Women's singles qualifying are the longest article titles I could think of but there are probably many longer. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Beach volleyball at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's qualification and Beach volleyball at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's tournament gives 55. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:56, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The longest pair of mainspace non-redirect titles are American Society of Cinematographers Award for Outstanding Achievement in Cinematography in an Episode of a One-Hour Television Series – Commercial and American Society of Cinematographers Award for Outstanding Achievement in Cinematography in an Episode of a One-Hour Television Series – Non-Commercial at 137 characters. Next-longest is a set of three at 130 characters, Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing – Sound Effects, Foley, Music, Dialogue and ADR for Non-Theatrical Animated Long Form Broadcast Media, Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing – Sound Effects, Foley, Music, Dialogue and ADR for Non-Theatrical Documentary Broadcast Media, and Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing – Sound Effects, Foley, Music, Dialogue and ADR for Non-Theatrical Feature Film Broadcast Media. —Cryptic 12:03, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I kind of asked this on the Wikipedia discord server but didn't receive an answer. For National monuments of Singapore, I want to change the width of some of the columns in its list. I've done a trial edit on the "nation monument #" column and I used "! style=max-width:[number]em" per Help:Table/Width. However, it just clips the text in the column header to the column header on its right. I'd like to know how to modify column widths such that it doesn't cause this issue. Thanks! Icepinner (formerly Imbluey2). Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 13:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You may find more expert advice at WP:VPT.

Please use the subscribe feature, rather than expecting other people to do more clerical work for you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have best question ever. Why does Wikipedia suck? Every admin here disagrees with me and everything is so confusing. I am leaving Wikipedia for good. I don't even know why I am editing here. It is a waste of time for me. Rafael Hello! 17:12, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia doesn't suck, you have created numerous draft articles that came nowhere near the advice given in WP:YFA. Also, if you are a new user (your account was created in May 2025) it is best not to create new articles until you have gained more experience with editing.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:26, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I just don't feel comfortable editing on Wikipedia after all this difficulty. I didn't mean it by it "sucks," I meant it that I don't really belong on Wikipedia anymore. Rafael Hello! 19:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rafaelthegreat How about you focus on some easier tasks instead of article creation? Wikipedia:Task Center has some fantastic and rewarding things to do to improve existing articles. qcne (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello hello les copains,

At the bottom of this page appears the handsome smile of a certainly very important person, whose relation to the article seems questionable. I did not find how to remove it in the wikicode. Hence, cadeau ! Cordialement, et Hop ! Kikuyu3 (talk) 18:24, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kikuyu3 thank you. The large photo had been added to a template, so I have removed it. TSventon (talk) 18:34, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In an attempt to add Myka Relocate to 2025 in heavy metal music using Songkick and Eventbrite as references, I have been reverted twice. Would evidence of concerts performed by the band not be sufficient to prove a reunion, even if those sources cannot be the ONLY references in an actual article? Also, I have linked this discussion from three different talk pages. Is there any way that I can get more eyes on this section? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jax 0677, you have discussed the issue on the article's talk page. Let's hope that those who reverted your edits, TheSickBehemoth and SirZPthundergod9001, respond there. Maproom (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Prudente. Kevinnnx93 (talk) 23:52, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kevinnnx93 What about it? Do you have a question? How can we help you? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 23:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I clicked on the edit button and didn't understand any of what showed up. Can you better explain it to me, please? 66.186.109.202 (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

First off, ip, are you and @Kevinnnx93 the same person? If so, please try to only edit logged in so that we know who we are talking to and so that you get notifications when someone replies to you.

Second, it would help to know with a little more specificity what it is you don't understand, and if you are using source editing or visual editing.

I'm going to hazard a guess that you are editing the source code and don't understand the markup. The easiest way to switch between editing the source code and editing a what-you-see-is-what-you-get version is to click the pencil icon in the top right corner, which lets you toggle between the two. Select "visual editing" and you may be better able to understand what is on the screen. That said, I would recommend trying to get a feel for wikicode if you plan on sticking around.

Let me know if that helps. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:05, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the mean time, I'm going to move the page Kevin Prudente to your userspace. It is not currently in any condition to be in the encyclopedia, and in your userspace you can play around with it at your leisure. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:08, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kevinnnx93 Kevin Prudente Answer — Yes Kevinnnx93 (talk) 00:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kevinnnx93 You can now find it at User:Kevinnnx93/Kevin Prudente. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:09, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(A specific dummy: myself.) I want to cite a paper that is headed as shown. The citation will be simple and straightforward, aside from the hieroglyphs -- for me, an unfamiliar writing system.

The paper doesn't identify the glyphs: Gardiner assumes that his readers will be familiar with the glyphs that compose the word he discusses. As I look within his own sign list, I identify/misidentify the five as:

[Why the line break after the hieroglyphs?] (E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2 -- PNG files, via the "hiero" tag)

Likewise, as I look through List of Egyptian hieroglyphs, I identify/misidentify the five as:

𓃛𓏲𓄿𓈖𓀁 (again, E9 Z7 G1 N35 A2 -- but this time Unicode characters)

Those of you who are more accustomed to hieroglyphs (or are just wider awake) than I am can perhaps point out my misidentifications.

Even if I've got the hieroglyphs right, their arrangement is wrong. A second try with Gardiner's signs:

("Z7:E9-N35:G1-A2") Not quite right (even aside from the unwanted line break, the "coil-of-rope" glyph should be top right of the sleeping beast, not top centre); but an improvement.

I'd like a second try with Unicode characters, but I'm stuck. "Egyptian Hieroglyph Format Controls" (from Unicode.org, and not as cryptic as our own "Egyptian Hieroglyph Format Controls") provides "13434 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH INSERT AT TOP END" ("top end" seemingly meaning "top right"), and "1343A EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH INSERT AT TOP". However, I don't understand how one might use these ... entities. And there may be a more fundamental problem. I fear that even if I did manage the successful use of these or similarly recherché resources of Unicode, they'd baffle later editors, who'd well-intentionedly delete them or screw them up.

Fixes, suggestions? -- Hoary (talk) 01:18, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hoary: it seems to be cited here as

GARDINER, A. H. (1904): The word iwn3. In: Zeitschrift für Ägyptische. Sprache und Altertumskunde 41: 130–135.

Hopefully an expert will turn up, otherwise there is always WP:RDL. TSventon (talk) 03:31, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah but TSventon, I've seen it cited with its title rendered complete with hieroglyphs, in both a book chapter and a journal article (neither of which was itself concerned with hieroglyphs). If the printing company for each could do it (even if only semi-legibly for one, and missing a glyph for the other), I imagined that Mediawiki could as well, and do it better. Let's try:

Gardiner, Alan H. (1904). "The word " (PDF). Zeitschrift für Ägyptische Sprache und Altertumskunde. 41: 130–135 – via Internet Archive. {{cite journal}}: hiero stripmarker in |title= at position 45 (help)

Well, a minor bonus: the unwanted line break is no more. "Stripmarker" is a new word for me. (BTW, I haven't mentioned the matter at WP:RDL but I have pinged Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Writing systems.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:14, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The <hiero>...</hiero> tag causes MediaWiki to create a series of hieroglyph images in an html table. As part of that creation, MediaWiki also creates a matching stripmarker for use as a placeholder. These placeholders (stripmarkers) are replaced with the html table of hieroglyph images just before final rendering of the page (after templates and modules have been expanded). cs1|2 emits the error message because it cannot see the content of the hiero stripmarker so the metadata that cs1|2 creates for users of reference management software (Zotero and the like), will be corrupt or incomplete.

Best practice for citing works that have a title with hieroglyphs is to manually cite without using a cs1|2 template.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:18, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My first rearrangement of the Unicode characters was not a success:

𓏲

𓃛

𓈖

𓄿

𓀁

Perhaps I could experiment with negative margins; but doing so would risk a real mess with some alternative font. -- Hoary (talk) 05:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have produced an article in my sandbox User:Jhessler/sandbox

and would like to know how to move it along---there is no "move" button visible in my tools.

Thanks Biomap (talk) 09:00, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have linked to a draft posted to the sandbox of another account- do you operate both accounts? New accounts cannot directly create articles(this is why you can't see the Move button). Typically a draft is submitted via the Article Wizard from Draft space, the preferred location for drafts. We can move it to draft space for you. 331dot (talk) 09:03, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That would be great if you could move the draft forward Biomap (talk) 09:10, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Biomap I will; do you operate both accounts? (which then would beg the question as to if you are the scientist) 331dot (talk) 09:13, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now at Draft:John W. Hessler. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The usual advice regarding WP:COI, WP:BOSS and WP:FAMOUS applies here. Also, in its current form, this would not come anywhere near being accepted as an article. See WP:YFA for more advice.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:29, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it just me, or have all the helpfully obvious CS1 maint error messages, that were in bright red, recently turned green and lost themselves among the redirects in references? Can I do anything to make them stand out again? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 12:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

cs1|2 emits messages in two colors: error messages and maintenance messages. If bright red was ever used for message coloring, it was a long time ago. There have been no recent changes to cs1|2 respecting message color.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:40, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Verbarson: Redirects are blue like normal links by default. You change them to green in User:Verbarson/common.css. You could pick another color, or change color of CS1 maintenance messages like this:

.mw-parser-output span.cs1-maint {color: pink;}

Or just add color: pink; inside {...} of your existing cs1-maint code. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter and Trappist the monk:, thank you for your information and advice. It is probably the case that I have seen CS1 error messages in the past which have set my expectations, but I'm currently dealing with a large batch of CS1 maintenance messages which subvert those expectations. I will probably change the colour for the maintenance messages as suggested. Thanks again. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 14:59, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I created this article The Green Tie on the Little Yellow Dog some months ago. It has never been reviewed/approved, and I wonder how I could ask for this to be done? It doesn't appear on Google searches and I presume that this is because it is still not officially approved in some way. Thanks, Bosmeor Bosmeor (talk) 16:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bosmeor The logs show that it was reviewed in May. My advice would be to make a minor edit to it, since search engines tend to notice that and can now index it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have done all of the hard work, maybe too much, now I have to get references which are hard to find due to not much press. I just want my fans to know who I am and what I'm doing now, I have recorded 4 records, many singles and now have a music podcast show in Las Vegas and in my 89th Episode.

So my question is what is the minimum to get started and I will add the references along the way?

Thanks

Dean Von

Dean Von Music Media

https://deanvonmusic.com

Deanvonmusic (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Deanvonmusic: The minimum requirement for a Wikipedia article is that the subject must be notable, by our definition, not yours. If you are not notable, then we cannot have an article about you. See WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dean, please have a read of WP:MUSICBIO, especially the first one. "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." The links that you are adding are to your social media, YouTube etc. If you are notable then other people will have written about you, but a quick google search here turned up nothing for me. I see that others have already told you this so I'm not sure why you're asking again.

Furthermore, regarding your comments here regarding "censorship", Wikipedia is a private website. We are not a web host and have no more obligation to host your biography here than you would have an obligation to host me if I visited Nevada as a tourist. Valenciano (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Deanvonmusic! I am afraid you made several common mistakes.

• You created a Wikipedia page about yourself — although it's not forbidden, it is strongly discouraged here, because such pages almost never meet Wikipedia standards. Please see WP:YOURSELF for detailed explanation.
• You created a Wikipedia page for your fans for them to know who you are — this is what we call self-promotion here at Wikipedia, and it is strictly forbidden by our policy. Please see WP:SELFPROMOTE for more info.
• You created a Wikipedia page WP:BACKWARDS by writing on the subject (that is, yourself) first before finding WP:Reliable sources to establish notability of the subject. By the way, please note Wikipedia has its own definition of 'notability', described at WP:NOTABILITY, and it is must-know before you create of substantially modify any article at Wikipedia.
• You created a Wikipedia page without familiarizing with Wikipedia rules and requirements, so the page doesn't meet criteria for a Wikipedia article. As a result, it has no chance to get accepted and published in main space in its current shape.

This is very discouraging, I know. Please don't feel crushed, many Wikipedia users experienced something similar in their beginnings. If I may suggest you next move, just leave the page as it is for now, step back and browse through the links I posted above.
Also, see again the blue-and-green message that User:KylieTastic posted at your Talk page last November. Section Getting started links to some most important information, necessary for each successful Wikipedian. Good luck! --CiaPan (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]