This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 4, 2025.
Mario and Luigi
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 12#Mario and Luigi
Mario Brothers
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 12#Mario Brothers
The old
[edit]While this is the literal meaning of "Ye olde" I do not expect most of the (very few) people searching for "The old" to be looking for the phrase "ye olde", the entire point of which is the weird spelling. This primarily has the effect of cluttering search for anything starting with "The old". Rusalkii (talk) 22:04, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Katiedevi (talk) 01:17, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It's not exactly "vandalism" and may be have been well intentioned but this redirect is disruptive. Unlikely search (for this target) that is impeding search for PTMs and other targets that are far more likely. —Myceteae🍄🟫(talk) 18:15, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of people known as the Old. There are over 250,000 articles that use this phrase, and I (obviously) didn't look through all of them—so there may be other potential targets—but this is the only title I've found that isn't a WP:PTM. - Eureka Lott 22:46, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- @EurekaLott, couldn't the phrase "the old" also be used synonymously as "the elderly"? It might help to add a hatnote to List of people known as the Old to link to Old age (where elderly and old people redirect to). 𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞? 21:13, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not aware of the term being used in this manner, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. A hatnote probably wouldn't be necessary, but it wouldn't be the worst thing. - Eureka Lott 14:48, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- Eh, I don't know about this one. It's a list made up entirely of partial title matches. I'm skeptical that this is the most likely thing readers have in mind when they type in the old. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 22:44, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- The list entries are PTMs, but the list itself isn't. I think that's an important distinction. - Eureka Lott 14:48, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- I considered this but I see this as a technicality; something that a relatively tiny group of editors like us can rationalize based on all of our various naming conventions but doesn't align most readers' expectations. "The old", used alone, informally, most likely refer to the elderly/old people. Mostly, it's a very common pair of words that occurs in many article titles. There are also a great many titles where we omit 'the' per WP:THE but where the average reader would might include it (The Old World, The Old Testament, etc., etc.). —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 18:37, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- The list entries are PTMs, but the list itself isn't. I think that's an important distinction. - Eureka Lott 14:48, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of people known as the Old per EurekaLott Duckmather (talk) 00:57, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is some support for the new retarget option, but there also appear to be some questions and skepticisms about it that haven't been addressed yet.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 23:06, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Agree with nom. "The old" is not a plausible term for Ye olde and "The old" could be a generic term with different meanings based on context - so it seems redirecting to any specific page might be misleading. Asteramellus (talk) 12:03, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Old. That page disambiguates things known as "old" and contains a link to the list cited above. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:56, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus, especially since there are now multiple retarget options suggested.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 23:51, 4 November 2025 (UTC) - Retarget to Old per voorts. Frank(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion) 09:44, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Alternatively, you could also acknowledge the existence of Old by having a hatnote like this: Duckmather (talk) 18:32, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- The problem with that is, Old itself is a disambiguation page. Frank(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion) 19:17, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Alternatively, you could also acknowledge the existence of Old by having a hatnote like this: Duckmather (talk) 18:32, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget The old →to List of people known as the Old; and add a hatnote to List of people known as the Old: "The Old" redirects here. For other uses, see Old (disambiguation). Shazback (talk) 02:36, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
Frenchee
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to Frenchie. (non-admin closure) Left guide (talk) 19:53, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
This can't be right... right? I don't see anything on the page or a cursory Google/Urban Dictionary search. Thoughts? TNstingray (talk) 20:40, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete or Retarget to Frenchie as variant or misspelling. I also don't find any support for a meaning related to masturbation. Top hits are for a clothing company called Frenchee and a sandwich called a Cheese Frenchee that is mentioned at Cuisine of the Midwestern United States and a couple other pages. Even if we identify some support for the meaning associated with masturbation that is unlikely to be the primary topic for this spelling; and this is equally if not more likely to be an alternative spelling of Frenchie (or Frenchy, which redirects to Frenchie). I will add Cheese Frenchee under 'See also' on the Frenchie dab page, with a link to Cuisine of the Midwestern United States. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 21:20, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Frenchie per Myceteae. This is the best outcome. BD2412 T 01:26, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Frenchie as plausible spelling variant / misspelling --Lenticel (talk) 04:51, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Frenchie. Steel1943 (talk) 13:26, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- 'Retarget Frenchee →to Frenchie as most plausible. Shazback (talk) 02:32, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
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Mabbing
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- The result of the discussion was delete. Complex/Rational 23:12, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
Possible OR target, no sources found listing this as slang. There is an obsolete verb, as in "to mab", that does not have a Wikipedia aritcle. This could also be a misspelling of Mobbing. Thoughts? TNstingray (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as very unclear if this is the right target, users would be better with search results showing it's not a clear term than a misleading redirect. Shazback (talk) 02:31, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Shazback. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 16:59, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
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Transpeptidation
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- The result of the discussion was Retarget Transpeptidation , Keep Transpeptidase (disambiguation) * Pppery * it has begun... 18:41, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- Transpeptidation → Transpeptidase (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Transpeptidase (disambiguation) → Transpeptidase (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Straight to the point – Reasons 1 and 5 of WP:RFD#DELETE:
Transpeptidation → delete
Transpeptidase (disambiguation) – three options:
→ 1: delete both target page and this redirect
→ 2: delete target instead, move its contents into this redirect
→ 3:[added. 12:30, 28 September 2025 (UTC)] make target into an article, make this redirect into an actual disamb page as named so.
Both link to a disamb page; you'd think the page with "(disambiguation)" literally in its name/title would be the disamb page, but no! It also doesn't make sense to redirect "transpeptidation" to "transpeptidase" – that's like redirecting polymerization to polymerase, and the latter is just a disamb page anyway (despite not having "(disambiguation)" in its name/title). I also don't think that a disambiguation for transpeptidase needs to exist; it's a class of enzymes, it's not exactly a "may refer to" situation since nobody uses the word to mean specifically a particular protein, unless they specified that protein. Since I don't have enough knowledge for either subject to make them into articles myself, I decided to choose deletion, hoping it becomes a red link somewhere for someone see and turn it into an article.
If I recall correctly, I only just discovered transpeptidation/-ase because I saw the former word mentioned in peptidyl transferase center, and I tried to wikilink that until I discovered... (Perhaps no wonder it wasn't hyperlinked?) And that's why we're here now. CheckNineEight (talk) 20:56, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
Note: @CheckNineEight: I've combined these into a single listing. I will update the link at Transpeptidase (disambiguation) so it points to this discussion. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk 00:03, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- You might have also missed this: Transpeptidase – which serves as the {{R with possibilities}} rather than Transpeptidase (disambiguation).Can you also fix the link at Transpeptidation, by the way? CheckNineEight (talk) 00:47, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- Keep
bothTranspeptidase (disambiguation). The reason we have redirects like Transpeptidase (disambiguation) is described at WP:INTDABLINK. Transpeptidation isusuallyoften discussed in the context of transpeptidases; the same is not true vis-à-vis polymerization. Perhaps a one-line description of transpeptidation could be added to the dab page although that might not survive clean up. It may be an {{R with possibilities}} but I'm not sure a description beyond what's in the enzyme articles is warranted. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk 00:16, 27 September 2025 (UTC)- No, because transpeptidation is the process of joining amino acids or peptides (peptide bond formation), and it's not exclusive to transpeptidases (e.g., peptidyl transferase center; i.e., the word is found on the following articles: Translation (biology), 23S ribosomal RNA). CheckNineEight (talk) 00:40, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- No objection to deleting transpeptidation. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk 02:33, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- I'm glad it's decided only Transpeptidase (disambiguation) should be kept. Also, I forgot that I had a 3rd option for that, which is: swap it with its target and make Transpeptidase – the one without the parentheticals – into its own article (no deletions, but no more redirect – just an article and a disamb). Speaking of options, I realized that I could have worded my original post much better, and I also forgot to put "(disambiguation)" in "Transpeptidase – two options:". (Can I edit my post?) CheckNineEight (talk) 05:09, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- I think the 'transpeptidase' label is clear enough but you can edit it to add '(disambiguation)'. It's always good to exercise caution around changing the wording in discussion posts but in this case it isn't likely to mislead and you can always add an updated timestamp or make a note about the change. There's some general guidance at Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Editing own comments. Transpeptidase is a good candidate for a set index article. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk 14:28, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- I'm glad it's decided only Transpeptidase (disambiguation) should be kept. Also, I forgot that I had a 3rd option for that, which is: swap it with its target and make Transpeptidase – the one without the parentheticals – into its own article (no deletions, but no more redirect – just an article and a disamb). Speaking of options, I realized that I could have worded my original post much better, and I also forgot to put "(disambiguation)" in "Transpeptidase – two options:". (Can I edit my post?) CheckNineEight (talk) 05:09, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- No objection to deleting transpeptidation. --MYCETEAE 🍄🟫—talk 02:33, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 07:29, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget Transpeptidation to Translation (biology) where it's defined. Keep Transpeptidase (disambiguation) per the above. -- Tavix (talk) 14:15, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the current and suggested targets.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 18:21, 27 October 2025 (UTC) - Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, voorts (talk/contributions) 17:41, 4 November 2025 (UTC) - Retarget Transpeptidation →to Translation (biology); definition on the page which puts it in context of the broader topic
- Keep Transpeptidase (disambiguation) →to Transpeptidase; as per WP:INTDABLINK Shazback (talk) 02:23, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
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Schmear
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 12#Schmear
Shameena Riaz
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- The result of the discussion was delete. Rusalkii (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Shameena Riaz → India women's national squash team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Once again, another example of a redirect that is costly when search results give a much better overview of the player rather than just her national team: [1] Delete Servite et contribuere (talk) 17:05, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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Liu Siya
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- The result of the discussion was delete. Rusalkii (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Liu Siya → China national badminton team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Yet another example of a badminton redirect that redirects to just the team where she is not mentioned, rather than search results which will give much better results: [2] Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:33, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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Ruqayya Salem
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- The result of the discussion was delete. Rusalkii (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Ruqayya Salem → Egypt women's national squash team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Search results will give a much better overview of her rather than just the national team she plays for: [3] Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:08, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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Robyn McAlpine
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- The result of the discussion was delete. Rusalkii (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Robyn McAlpine → Scotland women's national squash team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Search results will come up with more rather than just her national team: [4]. Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:00, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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C Lalramsanga
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- The result of the discussion was delete. Rusalkii (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- C Lalramsanga → 2025 BWF World Junior Championships (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Search results will give a much better overview of his career, as shown here: [5] rather than a single snapshot of his career. Servite et contribuere (talk) 14:47, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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Suryaksh Rawat
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- The result of the discussion was delete. I have retained the links for this and the above redirects as red links instead of unlinking since there's a REDYES argument; if anyone believes that these shouldn't be kept feel free to unlink. Rusalkii (talk) 19:05, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Suryaksh Rawat → 2025 BWF World Junior Championships (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Search results will give a much better overview of his career where users can find where he actually played rather than a single snapshot of his career. Let's just look at search results. This redirect is actually a costly one. There is basically content history whatsoever to lose. Just Delete. Servite et contribuere (talk) 14:38, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment @Servite et contribuere: Do you think any of the people whose redirects you've nominated are notable? If so, this might (though I'm not sure) be a REDYES case. Duckmather (talk) 18:34, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Duckmather I don't know. They might be. At bare minimum, this redirect should not stay. A deletion would be fine if they are notable per WP:RETURNTORED. Anyways, still think this redirect should deleted regardless, and then determine notability, because red links are there to encourage article creation. And these types of redirects are kind disruptive considering other editors might just assume the article exists: Servite et contribuere (talk) 18:38, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete for all the above (Shameena Riaz, Liu Siya, Ruqayya Salem, Robyn McAlpine, C Lalramsanga, Suryaksh Rawat). IMO these redirects are not useful because a) they direct readers to something that is temporarily true (these players may not remain part of national teams for long) which will cause confusion and a burden to maintain and/or b) they present partial information (these players will compete in other competitions, so redirects to a specific tournament is not useful), which will become outdated if they have more notable performances in other competitions, again causing confusion and burden to maintain and/or c) these are "too early" in many cases for these athletes' WP:N to be clear and I feel REDYES is preferable to encourage creation of these articles when notability is established while preparing for inbound links. From looking at the "[Country] national squash team" articles, it seems there are a lot of such redirects - not sure this is useful for readers when we have flagicons that can be used to redirect to national teams... Shazback (talk) 02:13, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
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BFDI drafts
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- The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:23, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Draft:Battle for dream island → Battle for Dream Island (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Draft:JnJ → Battle for Dream Island (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These drafts were created after the main article, Battle for Dream Island, so serve no purpose and should be deleted. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 08:13, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as nominated as cross-namespace redirects should not be created without a compelling justification. Katzrockso (talk) 08:19, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 15:11, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 04:51, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as non-useful / relevant cross-namespace redirects Shazback (talk) 01:50, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
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Dawans
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 11#Dawans
Post-cycle therapy
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 12#Post-cycle therapy
Wikipedia:Pages for deletion and similar titles
[edit]- Wikipedia:Pages for deletion → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:PFD → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Pfd → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:PfD → Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pages are not just limited to articles; they are also categories, files, templates, etc. I should also note that Wikipedia:PfD redirects to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. I believe these redirects should be retargeted somewhere else, maybe Wikipedia:Deletion process#Deletion discussion venues. Also, tell me if there are redirects similar to the ones being nominated that I missed. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 14:13, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I noticed that WP:PFD was linked on a page created in 2005, though I created the page in 2014. I then noticed that WP:PFD was speedy deleted in 2012 per WP:G8. Admins ... what did WP:PFD target before being deleted in 2012? Steel1943 (talk) 15:38, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also, regarding stating that "
...WP:PFD redirects to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion"
: Umm, no it doesn't... Steel1943 (talk) 15:43, 25 October 2025 (UTC)- Whoops. I meant Wikipedia:PfD, with a lowercase F. My bad. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 16:08, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Added to the discussion, considering what happens to one "PFD" title should affect the others. Steel1943 (talk) 20:14, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Whoops. I meant Wikipedia:PfD, with a lowercase F. My bad. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 16:08, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- ...Discovered via WP:REFUND that the answer to my question is: WP:PFD apparently used to target Wikipedia:Page for Drunks in 2012. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also, regarding stating that "
- Maybe disambiguate? I thought we already had a DAB or similar page for different deletion discussions but I can't find it. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:12, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- At the minimum, Keep Wikipedia:Pages for deletion. This is a former/historical name of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion which apparently predates the "other" former name of AfD "Wikipedia:Votes for deletion" (which was apparently a transition all "Pages for deletion" titles made in 2005). See the search of pages that begin with "Wikipedia:Pages for deletion/" for further details. Steel1943 (talk) 20:09, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
Retarget the rest (PFD, PfD, Pfd) to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion (for the ones that do not already). I'm not seeing any evidence that AfD (or any of its predecessor names) was ever referred to as "PFD"(pending my inquiry about the pre-2012 state of Wikipedia:PFD), meaning the most plausible title which this acronym could refer to in the "XfD" group of pages is a non-existent "Wikipedia:Portals for deletion", which is a redirect towards Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:21, 25 October 2025 (UTC)- Per this statement, prior to being deleted in 2012, Wikipedia:PFD targeted Wikipedia:Page for Drunks ... which is ... well, silly. Either way, since WP:PFD, WP:Pfd and WP:PfD were created in 2014, 2024 and 2019 respectively, this further establishes that Wikipedia:Articles for deletion was never known as "PFD" ... which enforces my previous comment in this discussion thread. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- It appears that all the pages with the
Pages for deletionprefix were moved to the versions withArticles for deletionwhen the venue was renamed at some point. Thanks, 1isall (he/him) (talk | contribs) 01:43, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- It appears that all the pages with the
- I no longer have any opinion or stance on any of the redirects in this discussion other than "Wikipedia:Pages for deletion", considering that we really should not be breaking the associations of historical names of project namespace venues in such a manner. Steel1943 (talk) 15:05, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Per this statement, prior to being deleted in 2012, Wikipedia:PFD targeted Wikipedia:Page for Drunks ... which is ... well, silly. Either way, since WP:PFD, WP:Pfd and WP:PfD were created in 2014, 2024 and 2019 respectively, this further establishes that Wikipedia:Articles for deletion was never known as "PFD" ... which enforces my previous comment in this discussion thread. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- wouldn't it be better to retarget all to match wp:xfd, and then add a hatnote there? consarn (talck) (contirbuton s) 00:09, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- FWIW, I oppose this option for Wikipedia:Pages for deletion per my finds above. I'm "weak oppose" regarding the rest since I prefer my resolution since it matches an established naming scheme. Steel1943 (talk) 00:15, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Deletion_discussion_venues per Consarn, except I wouldn't even add a hatnote. We shouldn't care about what something may or may not have been called for a short period ages ago. And even if we did care it's not even clear going to AfD would be correct, as the relevant era was before individual deletion discussion venues were split out so there is no equivalent to the old VfD. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:43, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- What we now know as Project:Articles for deletion was for Project:Pages for deletion for about a week at the end of August and start of September 2005. I myself briefly favoured "pages" over "articles" (as can be seen in the contemporary archives of Project talk:Articles for deletion) which were two of several suggestions, until people came up with the idea that became Project:Miscellany for deletion that satisfied the concerns that led to a preference for "pages". People ran the deletion mechanisms with "Pages for deletion" as the name for that week, until we adjusted what the templates were doing (c.f. the same contemporary discussions), making per-article pages and per-day pages with "pages" in the names. There was likewise a Category:Pages for deletion.
I created Project:Miscellany for deletion at the end of August (Special:Diff/21961239), and the process switched from "pages" to "articles" a short while later. We had already split out images, categories, and other stuff by that point (two years beforehand in the case of images for deletion), so it is not the case that "pages for deletion" ever encompassed things that were not pages, such as images.
I have no attachment to the shortcuts that were created a decade or two after the fact, but the actual Project:Pages for deletion redirect is correctly targetted, as it currently stands, at where both it and all of its sub-pages (Special:Prefixindex/Project:Pages for deletion, including the per-day pages for that week) actually ended up being renamed to.
And yes, pages are not limited to articles. As one of the several people who brought up this point 20 years ago, e.g. at Special:Diff/21958405, I can confirm that none of us who made the point back then has been worried that we've had redirects from "pages for deletion" to "articles for deletion", reflecting the actual history, for all of that time. We've likewise not been worried that Project:Votes for deletion and a similar lot of sub-pages redirect to the same place, even though, 20 years ago, the fact that "votes" are not "articles" was a point similarly made back then. As one of the people who did the work, and even made the point, 20 years ago, I think that it's a little fussy to re-argue it over the redirects that resulted, and inconsistent to argue it over merely one of those many redirects.
- Keep Wikipedia:Pages for deletion as a former name for for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Target the WP:PFD redirects to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion as an abbreviation for Wikipedia:Portals for deletion. -- Tavix (talk) 20:18, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Deletion_discussion_venues per @consarn. Unless there is a historical projectspace page that describes that AfD used to be Pages for deletion, we should not add a hatnote per @Pppery. On Wikipedia, every namespace is composed of pages. The "X" in "XfD" functions as an "insert page type here". Retargeting would also maintain consistency with the averarching category for XfDs, Category:Pages for discussion. The fact that AfD was Pages for deletion for a single week from August–September 2005 does not justify retaining the redirect twenty years later. I've never seen MfD referred to as "Portals for discussion" or "Portals for deletion" so oppose retargetting any of these to MfD. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:34, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:58, 4 November 2025 (UTC) - should've mentioned that my comment wasn't a vote. not that that's worth much consarn (talck) (contirbuton s) 18:30, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Wikipedia:Deletion process#Deletion discussion venues to align with WP:XFD. This is by far the most intuitive target and it includes links to MfD and AfD. Readers expecting a more specific topic will find it listed here. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 14:08, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
Not to be confused
[edit]- Not to be confused → Word-sense disambiguation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2023 October 10 § Not to be confused – retarget
So ... Lucid? Delete as hopelessly ambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 19:51, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- To be fair I'm thinking this is because a lot of disambiguation hatnotes on Wikipedia-- and elsewhere-- start with "not to be confused with". 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:52, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There are plenty of similar things out there that might get confused besides just words, where someone would use the phrase "not to be confused with ...". 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:40, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. This is a common phrase that does not have a corresponding encyclopedia article. I was astonished to see what this targets. The article does not even describe the most common uses, which are for different words that are spelled or pronounced similarly or concepts that are often confused or conflated (which may have very dissimilar names). —Myceteae🍄🟫(talk) 01:34, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Just because a corresponding encyclopedia article doesn't exist doesn't mean there doesn't have to be a template/redirect. (That is very common (such as
{{Uw-move3}}). Plus "Not to be confused with" is what the{{Distinguish}}hatnote produces. Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 02:57, 26 October 2025 (UTC)Just because a corresponding encyclopedia article doesn't exist doesn't mean there doesn't have to be a template/redirect.
If there is no content whatsoever on the topic or if the intended meanings are too numerous for us to identify an appropriate target than we absolutely should not have a redirect. "Not to be confused" is an extremely common phrase that appears in over 18,000 articles without need for explanation. Many common dictionary words and common phrases don't have encyclopedic entries and don't make for good redirects even if they are so common that we think readers may occasionally search for them. As for the hatnote lingo, the vast majority of readers are not attuned to wiki-jargon which makes it a very poor basis generally for deciding redirect behavior. And {{Distinguish}} aka {{Confuse}} is not even the hatnote used to resolve cases of potential word-sense disambiguation so making this connection is an odd leap even for those in the know. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 19:06, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:57, 27 October 2025 (UTC) - Keep per Lunamann and Cyber. At least in terms of Wikipedia usage "Not to be confused (with)" as a phrase is used in the sense of disambiguation, and because disambiguation is redirected there it makes sense for this phrase to lead there. Furthermore, from there there's a hatnote to the corresponding Wikipedia policy. It's simple and straightforward enough to keep the redirect. Frank(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion) 04:49, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep per Lunamann, Cyber and Frank. Go D. Usopp (talk) 05:58, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator follow-up: I meant to chime in sooner, but here I am now, about a week or so late. The comments stating this redirect is proper due to it referring to what this phrase might mean within Wikipedia is totally meta to Wikipedia. What I mean by that is there is no expectation that the average reader who is searching this term is intending to find the current target. My nomination statement is to illustrate this phrase could refer to something else, which illustrates it as ambiguous. In other words, if this redirect was titled "Wikipedia:Not to be confused", I could validate it existing and targeting something within the "Wikipedia:" namespace, but the same expectation cannot be set in the article space as there are other encyclopedic concepts which this phrase could refer. In addition, this phrase without the word "with" at the end is ambiguous; if the word "with" or "for" were added to the end of this phrase, I would've never started this discussion, but as it stands, this redirect is missing one of those key words at the end. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:27, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete I find it unlikely that someone will search this and, if they have searched it, very unlikely that this is what they will want. If someone is looking for wikipedia's use of this phrase they will not be enlightened. If they aren't, why on earth would they type in this particular sentence fragment? Also, per Myceteae. Rusalkii (talk) 03:23, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
2016/0280(COD)
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- The result of the discussion was no consensus. Rusalkii (talk) 19:06, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- 2016/0280(COD) → Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Looking through the article, it seems unclear how this redirect is a likely or helpful redirect, given that "0280" and "COD" seem to be mentioned now there in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 03:52, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- {{keep}} This is the code of the legislative procedure, which was and is linked in the article. Nemo 08:11, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Weak keep per Nemo. —Myceteae🍄🟫(talk) 15:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- When this redirect was created in 2018, the directive was a draft, and was mentioned as such. Now, it is confusing why a 2019 directive is referred to as 2016. Delete - without mention, these are just some numbers and letters with a burden of verification. No reason to use draft version codes. I unpiped it from PhotoDNA. Jay 💬 05:02, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
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Good offices
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- The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 13:06, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Good offices → United Nations Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target, the association with Cyprus is certainly not the primary one. I think the main meaning for this term is the diplomatic one used in e.g. Foreign relations of Switzerland#Good offices, but the term isn't unique to Switzerland, making that a poor target. We also have United_Nations_Commission_for_Indonesia#Council's_Committee_of_Good_Offices, United Nations Good Offices Mission in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and several other similar articles. Could conceivably be a XNR to wikt:good offices? Rusalkii (talk) 02:46, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps a disambig page would fit this? Chorchapu (talk | edits) 02:53, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete to enable Search to work uninhibited. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:45, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Wikt:good offices? Disambiguate? Or delete?
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- Delete per Shhhnotsoloud (even though our search function is suboptimal in this regard). Still, the current target is clearly not the best target, and there is not a better one, nor a good case for disambiguation. BD2412 T 01:38, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - this retarget is misleading. Agree with BD2412 above. And, depending on context, different terms can be a target - don't think diasmb will help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asteramellus (talk • contribs) 14:07, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
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Type-67
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- The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Left guide (talk) 06:18, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
The Type 67 articles in the wiki do not have hyphens in the names. Would like to request a delete. Ominae (talk) 03:28, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep harmless, people could easily think a model has a dash. SignTheSign (talk) 06:07, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep, plausible R from modification redirect. Go D. Usopp (talk) 05:56, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Harmless and Unambiguous Servite et contribuere (talk) 06:01, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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Witch Beam
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- The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 18:27, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- Witch Beam → Unpacking (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Witch Beam is a video game studio that has developed at least two notable games (Unpacking and Assault Android Cactus). Two months ago, a redirect was created to one of those games, but a redirect here implies that the studio is only known in the context of the one game. I filled out the redirect with a short stub and was reverted by the redirect's creator. We should either have an article on the studio or a redlink with no prejudice against article creation, since there is more than one potential redirection target. Chubbles (talk) 04:44, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see much independent coverage around the studio itself that are not separate from its games, and one game is more well known than the other with their articles reflecting that. From what can be seen at the first expansion edit at the page, there just isn't much for an article to be needed. Go D. Usopp (talk) 05:54, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- A user searching for Witch Beam will be redirected to Unpacking with no ability to ascertain that Assault Android Cactus is related to the search, despite the fact that we have content about the latter game as well. This is not good from an information-seeking standpoint. Chubbles (talk) 09:40, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Zxcvbnm @Myceteae A redirect to Unpacking#Development might suffice since the section serves as an introduction of the developer. Go D. Usopp (talk) 00:29, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- I would maybe downgrade to 'weak delete' but I still think that's the better option. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 20:23, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Zxcvbnm @Myceteae A redirect to Unpacking#Development might suffice since the section serves as an introduction of the developer. Go D. Usopp (talk) 00:29, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- A user searching for Witch Beam will be redirected to Unpacking with no ability to ascertain that Assault Android Cactus is related to the search, despite the fact that we have content about the latter game as well. This is not good from an information-seeking standpoint. Chubbles (talk) 09:40, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete No obvious primary topic. Current redirect may be WP:SURPRISE and is therefore unhelpful. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:59, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. I agree with the nom and Zxcvbnm. Search results are better than a redirect to one of the two notable games. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 22:59, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:07, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Go D. Usopp's link above should actually be Unpacking (video game) § Development and would be good enough as a refinement. Jay 💬 13:15, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete or even stub is better than to one game. Category:Witch Beam Games shows three games. Gonnym (talk) 15:38, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps a redirect to Category:Witch Beam Games? I'm ambivalent between that and deletion, as search will surface usage of this better than redirecting to any one game. Rusalkii (talk) 18:47, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- Is there precedent for that? I imagine, in some other venue, someone might try to get the category deleted because of a lack of an article for the studio. Chubbles (talk) 07:40, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
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Bulking cycle
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to Bodybuilding#Preparations. (non-admin closure) Left guide (talk) 04:43, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Bulking cycle → Ergogenic use of anabolic steroids#Steroid cycle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. At best, current target seems too specific. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:31, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Weight cycling. The exact term isn't used but the concept is mentioned there and at Bodybuilding#Preparations. मल्ल (talk) 22:39, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Bodybuilding#Preparations. "Bulking" is used and defined there explicitly and this section includes a hatnote to Weight cycling (which does not mention "bulking"). My sense is that "bulking" is most often specific to body building/weight lifting (with or without steroids) and the content of the bodybuilding article is consistent with this. The hatnote covers ambiguity/broader meaning. (Same as my response for Cutting cycle.) —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 01:23, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Bodybuilding#Preparations per above --Lenticel (talk) 05:08, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
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Cutting cycle
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 11#Cutting cycle
Anasteroids
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- The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 13:18, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Anasteroids → Anabolic steroid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not seem to be an abbreviation in common use, and the possibility exists for confusion with asteroids. Delete. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:53, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Note also the singular anasteroid does not exist. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:54, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- I agree - not an existing term Drew Stanley (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 23:39, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 01:09, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
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Gaza massacre
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 11#Gaza massacre
Steroids in High School Athletics
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to Ergogenic use of anabolic steroids#Sports. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 08:04, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Steroids in High School Athletics → Anabolic steroid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect from an old WP:BLAR not discussed at target or at amateur sports. Article content in page history would have no chance of being kept at Afd, so delete here per WP:SNOWBALL, but if someone insists upon restoring the article and sending to Afd, I wouldn't object. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:05, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- There's relevant content in the second paragraph of Ergogenic use of anabolic steroids#Sports. -- Tavix (talk) 04:00, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ergogenic use of anabolic steroids#Sports per Tavix. Left guide (talk) 04:53, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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Caerussalem
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- The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:40, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
Jerusalem in Middle Welsh - no particular affinity I can see / WP:FORRED. Zzz plant (talk) 01:56, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Go D. Usopp (talk) 05:55, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, WP:FORRED. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 15:48, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:58, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
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Juice monkey
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- The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:40, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Juice monkey → Anabolic steroid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Juice Monkey → Anabolic steroid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Is slang for a user of anabolic steroids, but not mentioned at target. Soft redirect to Wikitionary, add sourced mention to target, or delete? Mdewman6 (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. The slang usage is easily found online (in unreliable sources per my cursory search) and appears to be the main meaning although there are other uses including a juice company and a song mentioned at Jeff Freundlich. The slang term doesn't appear especially notable and the target article currently does not discuss other slang terms. Both redirects have had barely any views in the last decade: 109 and 249, respectively. Juice Monkey has ≈2.2x as many hits which *maybe* is accounted for by the existence of a few non-steroid-related entities with this proper name. Forcing a description into Anabolic steroid won't improve the target article and is likely undue. A wiktionary redirect seems unnecessary given the lack of traffic to either redirect. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 16:13, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per Myceteae Drew Stanley (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:59, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
- Delete both agree with Myceteae - also seems misleading to redirect a slang term (used for person) to Anabolic steroid (term not about people). Asteramellus (talk) 14:15, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
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