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The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.

Yonidebest

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FINAL (13/15/5); RfA withdrawn by user 21:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Yonidebest (talk · contribs) - I noticed I was using a lot of the {{subst:ncd}} template and thought it might help if I could delete the images I uploaded to Commons myself. I don't intend to help with anything else, as I have enough on my plate (but then again, who knows). If this isn't enough for adminship, I suppose it might be best to just close this nomination. Yonidebest 22:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Some of recent contributions may have been deleted since I add a template to an image that should be deleted... Yonidebest 22:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate

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Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: As said above, I intend to delete the images I upload to Commons. Yonidebest 22:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yonidebest obviously means he would like to delete the local (en.wikipedia) copies of free images which he has been, and will be, copying to the Wikimedia Commons (so that other projects can also use them), rather than tagging them for deletion and waiting several days. His choice of words here has caused too much confusion. — CharlotteWebb 22:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clearing this out :-) Yonidebest 12:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
A: I don't have many contributions to the English Wikipedia as I am mainly active on the Hebrew Wikipedia. I have taken on a project to upload all the free images on the Hebrew Wikipedia to Commons, and most of the picture's source is the English Wikipeida, so I have been uploading English images... Regarding other Wikipedias - I have been an admin on the Hebrew Wikipedia for two and a half years now. I have a bot account on the Hebrew Wikipedia with six months now with over 50,000 edits. I am also one of the founders of the Wikimedia Israel chapter. Yonidebest 22:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: In the English Wikipeida - no. In the Hebrew Wikipedia: Over editing - no. Over dealing with vandels - here and there. Well, who likes vandels anyway? ;-) In any case, I intend to deal with the Common images only. Yonidebest 22:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

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Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Yonidebest before commenting.

Discussion

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Support

  1. Support. I see no problems here. He's well established on a sister-wiki, and wanting to take on such a monumental task of offloading images to commons and cleaning up the deletions is a worthy cause and I think we should help him in this cause. ^demon[omg plz] 00:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yonidebest indicated in Q1 that he would like to delete only the Commons images that he uploads. There's no mention of doing Commons-backlog clearing work. Nishkid64 (talk) 01:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I see. Oh well, I still see no reason to oppose. Edit summaries make no difference to me. ^demon[omg plz] 04:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. As I understand this request, the user wants to delete images that are on en-wiki after he has moved them to Commons. This seems an admirable thing to do. I think we should assume good faith, particularly as he is in good standing on another wiki and give him the tools to do just the one thing he wants to do. Not all admins should do everything. What he wants to do is very much in the interests of the Project and I trust him to do just that one thing. --Bduke 07:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. I disagree totally with Cool Blue, a trusted editor on a sister project has shown that they can be trusted, they have the necessary skills and that they either know or can quickly adapt to new policies and guidelines. Wikipedia is a collaboration, not just between the users on the local project, but between users on all the projects. Nick 09:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Lack of experience across other areas of en.wikipedia is academic - he needs the tools for one thing so give them to him. Just because the tools are "all or nothing" is not this editors fault. This must be the first RfA in a while where the editor has clearly stated that they need the tools to do a job, rather than vying for a "promotion" that doesn't exist. Best of Luck.Pedro |  Chat  12:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support. Over 3000 edits on Hebrew Wikipedia (even though that's technically -3000 as they've been written backwards!!). Moving images to Commons is one heck of a task, so glad there's someone out there who wants to do it. So, he needs the tools to do the job.
    Try increasing that by a factor of 12. This user actually has over 36,000 edits on the Hebrew Wikipedia [1]. — CharlotteWebb 16:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Wow! Thank you for pointing that out! Not knowing about edit counters for non-en.wikipedia, I stopped counting when I got to 6 pages of 500 edits. That's even more of a positive indictment.
  6. Support - The candidate has explained exactly what s/he will do with the admin tools. Experience on Hebrew Wikipedia suggests sufficient technical knowledge to use the tools, and IMO admins don't have to be active in more than one area - the more admins, the better. WaltonAssistance! 17:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support He is known to be a responsible editor in good standing on another wikipedia (I don't know Hebrew, but no opposer has questioned this so far :). I see no reason not to trust him. It is enough to know that he won't cause trouble. I don't really care if he doesn't do anything other than what he stated.- TwoOars 19:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support I trust Yonidebest to properly handle the area he has proposed to tackle. If he was a regular English Wikipedia user, I'd want to see more participation in other areas, but if his having the delete button allows our regular admins to focus on other stuff, then it's fine. I trust him to properly investigate other issues if he wishes to use the other tools. Leebo T/C 20:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support Per pedro--Agεθ020 (ΔT • ФC) 21:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support Who cares? Not even Jimbo Wales. You might want to clean up your answer to question one however. IdeologyTalk to me £ 23:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support. Experienced user who is seeking the mop for exactly the right reasons - he wants to dig in and help with one of the horrid backlogs around here. Image work is some of the dirtiest around, and I gladly welcome another admin to help out. When you get the tools, see me for even more image work. :) --Spike Wilbury 04:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support. Yonidebest understands what adminship is about -- do you? It's a mop, not a medal. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 08:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Support for what it's worth. My thoughts on this candidate should be obvious from my comments throughout this page. I promise not to make any more. — CharlotteWebb 17:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  1. Oppose, I think I understand the merits of this nomination. However, you have only some 400 edits; the majority of which this month were made without an edit summary. If RFA's could be simple as to grant privileges to good faith users I'd support you, but that isn't the case. -- Phoenix2 (holla) 23:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. When inserting the nowncomons template I did not insert an edit summary because I felt it would be a watse of my time as an admin should anyway review the edit and delete the image. If there is some sort of must add edit summaries no matter what law in the English Wikipedia - then OK, I'll add edit summaries from now onwards. Regards, Yonidebest 12:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    There's no law to use edit summaries, but they're regarded (at least on the English Wikipedia) as a very important aspect of editor communication. Many look for high edit summary usage and good, descriptive summaries in administrative candidates. If it helps, you can select the options in your preferences to remind you when you haven't left an edit summary. Leebo T/C 14:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose We can only give all of the tools, or none. At the moment your lack of experience in admin-related activities within WP:NAMESPACE indicates that there is no evidence to suggrest that you would be able to use all of the tools responsibly.--Anthony.bradbury 23:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose All you would like to do is delete your images on Commons, and you don't have many edit summaries. -Lεmσηflαsh(t)/(c) 23:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Strongoppose Not enough edits, and doesn't seem motivated at the English Wikipedia. Contributions and priveliged access at the Hebrew Wikipedia means absolutely nothing here. Cool Bluetalk to me 00:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, actually, contributions and privileged access at He.wiki mean something: that he is trusted by the community to not screw up (or at least, not screw up in a big way:). And could you explain what "not motivated" means? Correct me if I am wrong, but you make it sound like adminship is a prize to be handed out to the extremely talented and hardworking. As I understand it, adminship is a natural progression from a normal user, based on trustworthiness.I couldn't help but comment, seeing how strongly you oppose :P- TwoOars 20:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I must agree with Twooars :-) Also, I have a bot with thousands - this too prooves my trustworthiness. Yonidebest 20:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, "strong" was a little bit strong, but I still have to oppose. What I meant by "not motivated" is that I really think that, although it is fantastic that you are an admin on the Hebrew Wikipedia, and that you contribute on other-than-English Wikipedias, I still think that you should get familiar with the English Wikipedia and its ways a little bit more. Just keep editing, and maybe 1500-2000 edits would be better since you're an admin somewhere. Let's just say, since I speak some French, and I intend to learn more, that I go to the French Wikipedia, and let's just say that I'm an admin here by then, that I create an account there, and go for adminship. Even though I know how Wikipedia works in general, I should get to know familiar with the "culture" and ways of the French Wikipedia pretty thoroughly. Don't worry, I'll support you around 1500-2000 edits. Sorry for the bad wording, and I knew that oppose would spur some comments. I hope that provides a better reason. Cool Bluetalk to me 20:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I think part of is that Yonidebest plans to work on something here that requires admin tools. His focus is the Hebrew Wikipedia, but he's a trustworthy editor who can help with the small task he wants to perform to help our "full-time" admins. He's basically said that he won't be focusing on the other tools, so it's not really critical that he be entrenched in the en.wiki. He knows how to do what he wants to do. Leebo T/C 21:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose per Anthony.bradbury. You have good intentions, but given that you're quite a sporadic editor at en.wiki, and your sole purpose for being granted adminship is to delete your own images, it doesn't seem appropriate to give the tools to you here. Note that en.wiki is much different than he.wiki. Nishkid64 (talk) 01:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Fix: *not* my own images, but images that were uploaded to the English Wikipeia as well as the Hebrew Wikipeida by various users. I really don't mind using the ncd template, I just figured it would help if I could delete the uploaded images myself. Yonidebest 13:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Your nomination statement and your answer to Q1 says that you wish to delete your own images uploaded at Commons. If you wish to delete not only your images, but that of others, then please amend your answer to Q1. Nishkid64 (talk) 13:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You must have misunderstood. I wrote, as you can see, that I intend to delete the pictures that I upload to Commons, not the pictures that I had once uploaded to the English Wikiepdia. In fact, I don't think I have ever uploaded an image to This Wikipedia. Yonidebest 14:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Oppose - The edit count concerns me, as does the summary usage. --Tλε Rαnδоm Eδιτоr 02:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Oppose per Anthony.bradbury and Phoenix2. bibliomaniac15 An age old question... 02:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Oppose Per the answers to some of the questions. If you want to delete images on Commons, then my suggestion to you would be to file an RFA on Commons. I think you have to be of good standing and have 200+ or so edits. But, still, deleting images on wikipedia isn't the only thing that administrators do here. Real96 03:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    User wishes to delete images here after they have been copied over to Commons, not to delete images on Commons. Nick 09:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I see your point, Nick. However, I still vote oppose, because that's not the sole purpose of adminship. And, yes...this is Real96. Miranda 02:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Oppose While I can see the reasons for your Rfa, you need much more experience, and have yet to dive much deeper into the project as a whole. Good luck however. Jmlk17 06:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    He has been an administrator of the Hebrew Wikipedia since October 22, 2005 [2]. He knows how to use the tools. — CharlotteWebb 16:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Oppose not the most compelling reason for a need for the tools. Low activity is another deal-breaker. —Anas talk? 14:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Oppose I'm going to assume good faith here but the admin tools are given to benefit the Wikipedia community, by the looks of your nomination statemement and Q1 answer, it appears you only want to deletion your images, yes the backlog gets large sometimes but I think due to your low edit summary usage and low edit count is not good. Good luck! The Sunshine Man 15:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I am only answering this because I think you have broadly misunderstood the candidate. He has been taking free images that English Wikipedia users (other than himself) have uploaded to the English Wikipedia... and copying them to the Wikimedia Commons so that all projects can use them, including his usual home at Hebrew Wikipedia. As the final step, he would also like to be able to delete the local copies so that we do not have to keep track of the duplicate images, and so that any updated versions of the shared image (on commons) are not obscured from our view by an outdated local copy. This is not some newbie user, he's got 36,000+ edits on the Hebrew Wikipedia and has been an admin there for a year and a half. — CharlotteWebb 21:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Oppose. I'm sorry, but other Wikimedia are significantly different, so experience doesn't really transfer across them. If you do things the way you would on the Hebrew wikipedia or commons, then you may well do them wrong here. So I must regretfully oppose. -Amarkov moo! 00:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Not confident with this candidate getting the buttons. You need to prove yourself on this Wiki, as it is so different to every other. Going from enwiki to a smaller wiki is fine, because the same decision-making characteristics are needed. However, the opposite is not true, due to how intricate enwiki is compared to every other wiki. Not enough experience on enwiki, sorry. Daniel 10:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Oppose --Herby talk thyme 11:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Oppose I'm not sure how many images he has uploaded here but I don't really favor givnig the tools to someone for such a precisely defined task. His lack of using edit summaries and his reasoning for it suggests a lack of familiarity with wikipedia-en and that could prove a problem (the difference between whats acceptable there and here). JodyB talk 16:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Oppose It would be great if there was a way to provide you the single tool that you are requesting. Still, I can't see that its such a burden on the community that other admins delete the images you are tagging. I advise that you just keep tagging them the way that you are and avoid the potential headache that admin tools might cause yourself or others.—Gaff ταλκ 05:14, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Neutral

  1. NeutralYou seem like a great user but the downside is that you should be using the edit summary more often.Arnon Chaffin Reveiw me? Talk 23:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. NeutralYou are a good user but your answer to question #1 only says you want to delete your images on commons, but you must be an admin on commons to do that.You don't mention any other of the administrator duties. You have been here since July 05 but you have not edited very much in that time. Please become more familiar with the role of an admin here and do try to get that edit summary use up. You can set your editing preference to "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" which will help greatly. Good luck.--Dakota 23:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you misunderstood - he wants to delete images here that he has uploaded to Commons. Images that are uploaded to en-wikipedia that have a free license are usually uploaded to Commons and deleted here. Kamryn Matika 00:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the explanation of his statement. --Dakota 01:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I see no evidence that you would abuse the tools, but no evidence that you would really use them that much either, so I'm neutral. - Zeibura S. Kathau (Info | Talk) 14:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Not much to go on to establish the user's grasp on enwiki policies and procedures, and the answers to the questions don't inspire a lot of confidence. Given the number of contributions on the Hebrew wikipedia I'm certain this user is a fantastic editor, but not knowing their policies over there and how they relate to our policies here keeps me just on this side of the fence. Arkyan • (talk) 23:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Your contributions to the hebrew wikipedia are amazing - but what it comes down to is will you be an admin here - and by that I mean will you actually do stuff here. I can't help but feeling that if we gave adminship to you - while you would use it well - it would be more like a tool that comes in handy once in a blue moon.danielfolsom 23:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    :-) On the Hebrew Wikipedia we remove adminship status of those who don't use it often enough. Seeing I am one of the users who agrees with this policy - I myself will request to remove the adminship if I notice I use it rarely. After all, if I need them again, I can always nominate myself once more. Cheers, Yonidebest 12:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.