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Dalyboy

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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. I did a Google search of him and didn't find reliable coverage independent of him. All of the article's sources are primary sources. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Per my review, he appears to meet some of the criteria for WP:MUSICBIO. He has charted on Apple Music, received significant and consistent airplay according to several press sources, and produced and featured in a movie that was nominated for awards — with the nomination also mentioned on Van Vicker’s page. I would recommend a ‘keep’ while the article continues to be improved. Klighnight (talk) 06:56, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apple Music charts are WP:SINGLEVENDOR charts and cannot be used to establish notability. Dalyboy did not chart on any country's official music chart. This particular subject does not meet any criterion outlined in MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:43, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’d like to seek clarification regarding his notability, as reflected on Van Vicker's Wikipedia page, specifically in relation to his film Heart Breaker’s Revenge, which he (Dalyboy) produced and starred in. The film reportedly received nominations and won awards in some categories at the San Diego Black Film Festival, Nafca, and the MPAH Awards.

While I’ve noticed that some of these accolades are referenced in press coverage and on the Wikipedia pages of his colleagues, I’m unsure if they’ve been sufficiently highlighted on his own page to support his notability under the WP:NACTOR guidelines, particularly given his dual profile as both an actor and musician.

Kindly advice. Klighnight (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any evidence that he starred in the film you mentioned. Per the film's IMDB page, Van Vicker's character went by the name Dalyboy Paul. I don't see Dalyboy Belgason listed among the film credits. Even if he he had a major role in this particular film, it won't justify a keep vote because this particular film fails WP:NFLIM and is not notable. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 15:10, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Upon reviewing the film’s IMDb page (see: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt16116480/fullcredits/), it’s clearly stated that Dalyboy Belgason is credited as the director, writer, and cast member.

According to WP:NFILM, particularly the section on Other evidence of notability, point #3 states: “The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking.” The said film has indeed received multiple significant nominations and has won awards in some categories, with Dalyboy himself playing a role in the production and as part of the cast.

Given this, it raises the question of how the film would fail to meet this criterion when it evidently satisfies the award recognition requirement.

Furthermore, under Inclusionary criteria in the same WP:NFILM guideline, it’s standard practice to mention other notable figures associated with the production. In this case, I have repeatedly referenced Van Vicker, who, based on his body of work and existing recognitions, clearly meets the WP:NACTOR notability threshold.

From my review, both the film and its key cast members, including Dalyboy, appear to meet the necessary criteria for inclusion as outlined in the guidelines.

Unless there’s another specific aspect or standard we might be overlooking, I’d appreciate it if you could kindly point it out for clarity. Klighnight (talk) 15:50, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Stop talking through an AI program and start talking through your own typed words. Nathannah • 📮 16:08, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, youre confusing yourself here. You claimed that Dalyboy starred in the film, Heart Breaker's Revenge. I debunked that by pointing out that he didn't per info on the film's IMBD page. You than proceeded to mention a different film altogether. Heart Breaker's Revenge and Ex Games are not the same films. Just for your info, IMDB isn't a reliable source. I cannot find a credible source online that mentions or discusses the film Ex Games. Both Heart Breaker's Revenge and Ex Games fail WP:NFLIM and are not notable. If you disagree with me, I challenge you to write separate articles about them and let's see if both articles won't be deleted. Which major award did the film Ex Games win? Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:13, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’m honestly wondering which IMDb page you’ve been checking, because it’s clearly not the same one I’m referring to. Here — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3756776/ — it’s publicly stated that Dalyboy Belgason wrote and directed the film. It’s also worth noting that this appears to be a duplicate of https://www.imdb.com/title/tt16116480/, and both are evidently the same movie. This is further confirmed by its official YouTube listing here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDlBSXvxxEE — Heart Breakers Revenge (Van Vicker, Sarodj Bertin, Billy Williams) Ex Games.

I honestly don’t understand why this back and forth is necessary. If there’s been an oversight on your part, it’s fair to acknowledge that and move on. I personally don’t have an issue with the page being deleted — I’m only pointing out verifiable facts based on the same WP:NFILM and WP:MUSICBIO guidelines which were cited as reasons for its deletion, but which, quite evidently, the subject meets in certain areas.

This same film and its associated awards have also been accepted to establish notability on pages of his colleagues, so it’s difficult not to notice a double standard in this case. That said, I have no intention of dragging this further. Being asked to create a separate page for the film, when there appears to be clear systemic bias in how these guidelines are applied, isn’t something I’m interested in pursuing any longer.

I’ll leave it at that. Klighnight (talk) 16:47, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of this matters because IMDb is a user-generated and disqualified source; please find more reliable sources. Nathannah • 📮 19:45, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My concern with this entire process is that it now appears to be a poorly thought-out plan. It’s also evident that several of you are voting ‘delete’ without properly reviewing the page or considering the defense presented.

Firstly, the nominator initially claimed Dalyboy wasn’t in the movie. I addressed this by providing evidence that Dalyboy produced, wrote, and acted in Heart Breaker’s Revenge. Secondly, while the nominator accepted (albeit indirectly) that the same film and its awards were sufficient for establishing notability for other actors involved, you're now insisting that Dalyboy must provide additional sources, which is a clear double standard and contradicts Wikipedia’s policy against systemic bias.

Thirdly, it was claimed the article failed WP:MUSICBIO, but I demonstrated that it meets criterion #11 of that guideline.

Frankly, the tone and direction of your responses today suggest a personal bias. Your initial comment about my writing style had no relevance to the points I raised, and your latest dismissive remark, “none of this matters”, further confirms that.

Let me be clear, it’s acceptable if the article is ultimately deleted, but I have every right to challenge any reasoning I believe is flawed. Even the nominator has shown bias in this case, stating that if a movie page is created for the aforementioned movie, it will be deleted, before it even exists. Wikipedia is a community project, not owned by any of us, and most of us have careers beyond this platform. I’d prefer not to continue this back and forth, but I needed to state this for the record. Klighnight (talk) 21:11, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We require proper and reliable sources that meet our standards, and actual conversations about notability that don't involve LLM text. If you cannot do that or find sources that help prove the subject's notability, there's nothing more we can do here. And because Nigerian TV is a mess of pay-for-play as far as video presentations, there's no way to easily prove the subject meets MUSICBIO criterion 11. Nathannah • 📮 22:43, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, why would a Cuban join the American army? You realize how that makes no sense at all, I hope. Nathannah • 📮 22:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, the claim that Nigerian TV and radio media operate entirely on a payola system is not only insulting to the industry but also to the broadcasters, anchors, and journalists working there. I don’t know what personal issues you have with the Nigerian media, but this reinforces my earlier point, both you and the nominator (also appearing to be Nigerian) only nominated this article for deletion because it was written by and about a Nigerian. It reeks of bias and a lack of fair opportunity.

Even major platforms like Forbes and international media sometimes accept paid features, would it then be fair to say everything on those platforms is paid for? Generalizing like this is unreasonable.

As for the subject of this article, I never claimed he had TV plays since I couldn’t verify that. I clearly referenced his significant rotation on a national radio station, and even a basic X (Twitter) search of the track would show it got airplay on multiple national stations. Does that mean every station was paid? That’s part of the systemic bias I’m addressing. This is enough to prove he meets criterion 11 of MusicBio. A quick check on X will show more national radio stations playing his songs. If this same criterion is valid for determining notability for foreign artists, why should you then decide a Nigerian artist be exempt? Is there any rule stating certain countries are excluded?

Lastly, regarding your claim about a Cuban joining the U.S. Army, a simple check would’ve shown that U.S. permanent residents can enlist (https://www.usa.gov/military-requirements). If he met those criteria, it’s valid.

I’ve already cited one source for his award via a colleague’s page yesterday and will continue adding more independent coverage as I find them.

Gracias. Klighnight (talk) 05:08, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You’ve openly admitted that he meets criterion #11 of WP:MUSICBIO, but insist it won’t count because the national radio rotations happened in Nigeria. This clearly highlights bias in your judgment, denying him the same standard others have benefitted from. Klighnight (talk) 05:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We're asking for sources to airplay. Solid, reliable sources. Please add them, because we don't accept hearsay. And for you to think I was attacking the entire Nigerian broadcast industry because of a few bad apples is a serious reach. Nathannah • 📮 14:37, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment — “And because Nigerian TV is a mess of pay-for-play as far as video presentations, there’s no way to easily prove the subject meets MUSICBIO criterion 11” was unfairly broad. It implies the entire Nigerian broadcast industry operates on payola, which isn’t accurate. If you’d said “some”, it wouldn’t have raised concern. Nigeria has produced exceptional broadcasters now thriving at BBC, CNN, and other reputable platforms abroad, despite isolated issues in parts of the industry.

Also, there’s a cited source, an independent report from P.M. News, confirming the song’s strong rotation on Beat FM, a respected national station with UK presence. Further checks on X (Twitter) also show airplay across major stations like City 105.1FM, Wazobia FM, Cool FM, Rhythm FM, and Soundcity Radio. Unless we’re suggesting all these outlets operate under a questionable system, dismissing this airplay isn’t balanced.

For reference, here are tweets from the official handles confirming the airplay:

1. https://x.com/city1051/status/1890009399076229547?s=48&t=uwGCvYqxVterevcLcN6PBg

2. https://x.com/wazobiafmabuja/status/1887096848227172444?s=48&t=uwGCvYqxVterevcLcN6PBg

3. https://x.com/thebeat999fm/status/1876566863070789853?s=48&t=uwGCvYqxVterevcLcN6PBg

4. https://x.com/coolfmabuja/status/1880205277569642514?s=48&t=uwGCvYqxVterevcLcN6PBg

5. https://x.com/937rhythmfm/status/1880327728676892981?s=48&t=uwGCvYqxVterevcLcN6PBg

6. https://x.com/thebeat97abj/status/1880510151410503871?s=48&t=uwGCvYqxVterevcLcN6PBg

7. https://x.com/coolfmnigeria/status/1875201079740346483?s=48&t=uwGCvYqxVterevcLcN6PBg

8. https://x.com/soundcity985fm/status/1869128239362478534?s=48&t=uwGCvYqxVterevcLcN6PBg

While X posts aren’t standalone sources for notability, they reflect public records from verified national radio accounts. Klighnight (talk) 17:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That site is not a proper source (they're merely social media feedbots listing what is 'now playing' on a radio station without any elaboration). Please read WP:RELIABLE. Nathannah • 📮 19:15, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My challenge remains your insistence on taking down this article. I’ve emphasized repeatedly that you’re free to do so, but I’m setting a precedent here. Since you joined this conversation, you’ve either downplayed my contributions or indirectly discredited my country’s media.

1. You claimed the subject failed WP:MUSICBIO. I pointed out that if Apple Charts is WP:SINGLEVENDOR, then criterion #11 applies, instead of acknowledging this, you dismissed Nigerian media as payola-driven.

2. I highlighted that this subject is also an actor-producer. The nominator wrongly claimed otherwise, and I provided IMDb proof of his credited roles in an award-nominated film, yet no acknowledgment, after you both argued.

3. Every argument you raised, I’ve countered with evidence. Rather than correct the nominator for a poorly reviewed nomination, you doubled down.

4. You made, deleted, and rephrased your last comment, while i carefully addressed each with facts. The PM News article is an independent, credible source widely used across the encyclopedia, the national rotation he enjoys was clearly noted in the article, with a cited source from the media outlet. Unless, of course, you’re suggesting that this media organization also operates a payola system. Alongside, in my last comment i showed you visible proofs from X of his radio airplay’s from verified stations (which you’ve seen), and i believe is enough to strengthen his notability.

At its core, this entire conversation reflects systemic bias, something I’ve respectfully called out. The subject meets WP:MUSICBIO and WP:NACTOR as written, and countless articles have stood on less.

Cheers Klighnight (talk) 21:12, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even in my previous comment where I shared evidence from X showing several national radio stations playing his song, I clearly stated, “While X posts aren’t standalone sources for notability, they reflect public records from verified national radio accounts.” Additionally, I’ve pointed out that the article itself cites a reliable source confirming the national rotation.

Yet, each time a request for information is met with verifiable facts, you acknowledge the subject meets that particular criterion, but because you’re intent on seeing the article taken down, you continue to shift the goalpost by asking for more. Klighnight (talk) 21:25, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At this point you're bludgeoning the discussion, so unless you'd like to follow our advice and add reliable sources, I've said what I need to. There was additional context I added to my last response, and nothing was removed. Nathannah • 📮 00:00, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can’t claim bludgeoning when I’ve consistently provided everything you’ve asked for. It’s important for me to emphasize certain points while addressing your requests. This is the same issue I’ve pointed out before, and now, once again, you’ve raised a claim of WP:BLUD.

That said, I do appreciate that you retracted your earlier statement about payola (which I previously highlighted) and took the time to explain the reason behind your comment, its deletion, and rephrasing.

With that out of the way, I’ve now cited another source I found to help support notability under WP:MUSICBIO criterion #11.

Cheers! Klighnight (talk) 09:08, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anywhere written in the encyclopedia’s guidelines that I cannot use an AI tool like Grammarly to ensure my writing is clear and properly structured? He highlighted certain requirements he considered in assessing whether the page is notable or not. I’m simply clarifying the specific parts of those same criteria that the subject meets — is that too much to do?

Even going by the same WP:MUSICBIO guideline, the subject appears to satisfy criterion #11: "Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network." The details supporting this are already available on his page. Klighnight (talk) 16:24, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable. Nixleovel (talk) 06:50, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Nigeria and Cuba. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:50, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No sources for the subject's notability or any of their song's performances (with the article creator talking about the subject's films, which are not noted at all in the article). Nathannah • 📮 16:10, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: We generally don't count Apple Music charts towards notability but the balance of coverage seems more about this fact, than the usual flowery coverage from Nigerian sources. sources 2, 5 and 11 I suppose, this isn't a strong keep, but better than most we see here Oaktree b (talk) 23:57, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your vote. You can check the page, they’re already attempting to vandalize it using IP accounts, with other global editors reverting the changes on the main and talk page. This clearly shows bias and a targeted attack on the page. It’s a failed plot, and that’s why I’m even responding. Klighnight (talk) 06:24, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]