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Barthold Rudolf Hast (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The sources are not reliable and with required depth of the biography coverage; not notable. Maladano (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Maladano (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:04, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The first and third sources appear to be biographical dictionaries of some kind. I can't find a way to access them, but assuming he legitimately has entries in those that's probably enough to establish notability. There are also plenty of hits on Google Books - I'm relying on machine translation and can only access snippets, but these books and others appear to contain SIGCOV or potential SIGCOV: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. Someone who speaks the language would have a much easier time properly searching for sources, but there's enough there that I think he's quite easily notable. MCE89 (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. He is included in the National Biography of Finland under the name Rudolf Hast: [9]. Biografisk lexikon för Finland includes a Swedish translation of the same article: [10]. There's also a short entry in Uppslagsverket Finland: [11] Jähmefyysikko (talk) 15:38, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The existing and newly found sources (as noted above by MCE89 and Jähmefyysikko) give solid, non-trivial coverage of Hast’s work and historical role. Being the first Finn to earn a Doctor of Medicine in Sweden and a pioneer of smallpox vaccination in Finland clearly passes GNG. I’ll also add those additional references to make this even stronger.Uni44hossiq (talk) 17:34, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Strongly disagree with the source assessment. I don't understand what's wrong with the listed sources at the time, and would like the nominator to explain their reasoning. /Julle (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The National Biography of Finland is enough for ANYBIO 3, also appears to pass GNG through sources listed above. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 15:23, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above discussion and assuming the foreign language sources are correctly translated. Bearian (talk) 01:46, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

People's Democratic Temperance League (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article has only 2 cites - I think there ought to be 3 good cites to show it is notable - people in Finland may know offline cites? Chidgk1 (talk) 19:14, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - there's no policy or guideline requiring three good sources to establish notability. WP:THREE is just a redirect to one user's opinion: User:RoySmith/Three best sources. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 01:38, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  This news article from the article gives an in-depth look at the party:

  • "Hyvän elämäntavan jäljillä" (PDF). Kansan Uutiset Viikkolehti (Supplement) (in Finnish). 21 March 2014. Retrieved 22 June 2025.

  I think it's sufficient to build an article on. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 01:55, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The article's other ref cites a Finnish humanities academic portal, Agricola; the link is dead. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The link works for me, so perhaps there is some geographical limitation. The ref is a review of Työväen raittiusliike sata vuotta: hyvien elämäntapojen jäljillä (2014), a general history of temperance movement in Finland. The ref itself does not discuss KDRL in depth: it mentions the split, but not much more. However, the book is likely to contain a more comprehensive history of KDRL. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 07:00, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  When I set my vpn to Finland I can see that link otherwise not. Google translates the paragraph as:

  “Obtaining funding certainly guided the change in direction of the temperance movement at least in the 1980s. When municipal temperance appropriations were directed to purchasing services, temperance organizations became service providers. For example, the People's Democratic Temperance League maintained a Companion Phone, where people could call, among other things, about their substance abuse problems. The service served as an alternative to similar services offered by parishes. Money for initiatives and projects was received from RAY.” Chidgk1 (talk) 11:33, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The other paragraph directly discussing KDRL is: In 1948, the communist temperance movement established its central organization, the People's Temperance Work Center. When the central organization fell into the hands of the Taistolaiset in 1974 under the name People's Temperance League, those supporting the party's majority faction founded their own central organization, the People's Democratic Temperance League. Until its merger into the Finnish Lifestyle Association ELO in 1993, there were three leftist temperance movement central organizations operating: one for the Social Democrats, one for the majority Communists, and one for the Taistolaiset. Since 2012, labor movement-based temperance organizations have operated together with other temperance organizations under a common organization, EHYT ry. The key driving force behind the mergers of temperance organizations in both 1993 and 2012 were the wishes and guidelines of the funding organization RAY during financially tight times. Other parts provide the relevant context. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 11:39, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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