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• A query to the Comittee: I notice the decision says the region of South Asia (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal), broadly construed. Is there a reason Bhutan is not included explicitly? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:34, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, does Indian military history include military equipment manufactured in India? For example, do HAL Tejas and INS Vikramaditya fall under ECR restrictions now? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:38, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's right. Multiple users had asked about the scope of the topic bans but it was never answered.[1][2] I am also surprised why Bhutan is not included. Should we file a request on ARCA where scope can be clarified and the motion can be passed for inclusion of Bhutan? Koshuri ^(あ!) 05:41, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bhutan isn't included because Bhutan was never part of WP:GS/CASTE or the IP/SrL areas. The former covered India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Nepal, while the latter covered the first three plus Afghanistan. (For those wondering why I abbreviate the Sri Lanka CTOP as SrL, it's because "SL" conflicts with an older Arbitration.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 06:11, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense. The scope of the topic ban is still yet to be clarified though. Koshuri ^(あ!) 11:42, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@The Bushranger: Just an AE admin, but military hardware reasonably falls under the scope of military history. Since much of the conflict that spurred the case is about battles from several hundred years ago or so, the more interesting question to me is if we should read it as the military history of the subcontinent for pre-independence battles/wars or if it is only for battles that happened within the boundaries of the modern Republic of India/involve states that intersect with those boundaries. Especially because it isn't broadly construed.

@Koshuri Sultan: You are more than welcome to open a thread at ARCA, but I would advise against it since the case closed less than 24 hours. AE will, mostly likely, read your topic ban as covering anything that is reasonably under the umbrella of Indian military history or the history of castes in India. -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 12:06, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I would have assumed so as well by default, but we all know what they say about assuming! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:26, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what needs to be done, but the WP:GS/CASTE page needs updating. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:31, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Diff/1297730390/1301307591. Primefac (talk) 20:21, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I presume "military history" includes present military conflicts? voorts (talk/contributions) 19:54, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It does - that, at least, is unambiguous (at least to milhist wonks!) unlike the "does equipment count" question I had above. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:11, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I don't think it's that unambiguous. The present isn't history and not every present-day event will be considered significant by historians. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:49, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't always unambiguous, see for example Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment/Archive 71#Clarification request: Argentine history (August 2013) where events after (December) 1983 were deemed not to be "history" for the purposes of a topic ban from the history of Latin America. Thryduulf (talk) 21:45, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]