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NUBASE2020 lists isobaric analog states, such as ⁸ⁱBe and ⁷³ⁱRb. Some lists of isotopes list them as valid nuclear isomers, while others don't list them. Not sure how should we deal with these states. Nucleus hydro elemon (talk) 09:30, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Recently User:Tfdavisatsnetnet has been adding entries to the See also of the "Isotopes of [element]" pages pointing to the other "Isotopes of [element]" page for every element that is a daughter of any of the page's decay entries. See for example [1]. Is this a desired set of entries? Given that the "List of isotopes" table in the article already does (at least in many cases) link to the individual isotopes of the daughters (and presumably could/should in all cases?), I think these links to the superset of them is not useful...less specific and no obvious relevance of that higher-level topic. But I am not well-versed in the WP:Elements/isotopes article area to have a good feel. DMacks (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion this is not good. The edit creates a See Also subheading

Daughter products other than lithium

which is to say it is a "See Also" solely for the Decay products subsection of the article and on the other hand does not provide any context for the links. The article Isotopes of Helium is not a topic related to Lithium except through the decay channels. This link belongs in the Decay products subsection inline in the text or possibly via the tag {{SeeAlso}}. Johnjbarton (talk) 00:35, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My intention in doing this was to, in effect, summarize the decay channel information found in the tables for readers who are of limited background, e.g. 8th to 10th grade students. I must confess that this is not an optimal solution to following decay channels, I would much prefer to have each unstable isotope in the articles' tables have its own wlink to the daughter isotope(s), but I don't think Wikipedia can support that. @DMacks @Johnjbarton Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 10:39, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think what you are preferring is easily doable, and is what I am proposing in the next section. DMacks (talk) 10:45, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, tell me how to do it and I'll spend a month of my free time on it! Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 17:18, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Inspired/forked from the preceding discussion at § See-also entries for whole "isotopes of" daughter elements

Given one of the Project goals (/Elements task-force) is to have a page for every isotope, should each daughter isotope in the "List of isotopes" table on each "Isotopes of [element]" be linked to them? Currently some/many are, but possibly only the ones that have actual articles rather than redirects to the Isotopes-of articles. that means whenever a new isotope page is created, someone needs to set those links in all up-stream decay paths. And it means until then there's no link to the parent page where there might already be a section about it. The {{Simple nuclide}} template has a |link=yes mode that can handle it automatically (compared to the manual piping that is currently done). DMacks (talk) 04:03, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Using Isotopes of lithium as a test-bed, I'm proposing this. DMacks (talk) 10:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a win to me. Johnjbarton (talk) 16:16, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, this isn't what I had in mind. Give me an hour and I will post an example. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 17:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, this is what I really wanted to do: have the wlink point right to the List of isotopes in the daughter elements. I really really wanted to point to the daughter row in the table, but that looks to not be supported. Please look at the code for this simplified example:

⁸
C -> ⁶
Be

Thanks Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 18:00, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you can explain why you think that is a good choice?

When I see a link I expect the target to be "the thing". So ⁸
Be ends up on Beryllium-8 which is what I expect. I would not want to end up on Isotopes of beryllium for this link.

As it turns our ⁶
Be redirects to Isotopes of beryllium#Beryllium-6 which ends up on the table because it as id=Beryllium-6. Not what I expected but we don't have more to say about Beryllium-6. I think trying to land on the line in the table is too complicated and not a desirable outcome. Johnjbarton (talk) 22:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We could end up on a specific line in the table by including an invisible anchor at that point. However, landing on a new page with the line at the top of your screen would necessarily mean you couldn’t see the preceding data rows in the table, which would be a bad thing. If there were a section in the article devoted to the isotope, that would be an appropriate target. But not a table row in my opinion. YBG (talk) 00:38, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, maybe it is not a good choice. "Given one of the Project goals (/Elements task-force) is to have a page for every isotope..." would, with proper wlinks, accomplish what I was trying to do. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 01:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I think I need to learn more before I try discussing this issue *laughs nervously* Sorry about that! Blackwoodm (talk) 02:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Lithium § Isotopes section summarizes Lithium isotopes. So I don't know what more you want. Johnjbarton (talk) 02:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're right! I realized pretty much everything I said in my post was completely ignorant, and I would have deleted it entirely had I known how. I didn't realize anyone had even responded. Thanks. Blackwoodm (talk) 03:06, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]