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Talk:Nazi concentration camps#Requested move

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  • Benz, Wolfgang; Distel, Barbara (eds.). Die Organisation des Terrors [The Organization of Terror]. Der Ort des Terrors (in German). Vol. 1. C. H. Beck. ISBN 978-3-406-52960-3.
  • Drobisch, Klaus; Wieland, Günther (1993). System der NS-Konzentrationslager: 1933-1939 [The System of Nazi Concentration Camps, 1933–1939] (in German). Akademie Verlag. doi:10.1515/9783050066332. ISBN 978-3-05-000823-3.
  • Goeschel, Christian; Wachsmann, Nikolaus (2012). The Nazi Concentration Camps, 1933-1939: A Documentary History. University of Nebraska Press. ISBN 978-0-8032-2782-8.
  • Knowles, Anne Kelly; Jaskot, Paul B.; Blackshear, Benjamin Perry; De Groot, Michael; Yule, Alexander (2014). "Mapping the SS Concentration Camps". In Steiner, Erik B. (ed.). Geographies of the Holocaust. Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-01211-1. JSTOR j.ctt16gzbvn.
  • Orth, Karin (1999). Das System Der Nationalsozialistischen Konzentrationslager: Eine Politische Organisationsgeschichte [The National Socialist Concentration Camp System: A Political Organizational History] (in German). Hamburger Edition. ISBN 978-3-930908-52-3.
  • Stone, Dan (2015). The Liberation of the Camps: The End of the Holocaust and Its Aftermath. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-21603-5.
  • Suderland, Maja (2013). Inside Concentration Camps: Social Life at the Extremes. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-0-7456-7955-6.
  • Wachsmann, Nikolaus (2015). "The Nazi Concentration Camps in International Context: Comparisons and Connections". Rewriting German History: New Perspectives on Modern Germany. Palgrave Macmillan UK. pp. 306–325. ISBN 978-1-137-34779-4.
  • Wünschmann, Kim (2015). Before Auschwitz: Jewish Prisoners in the Prewar Concentration Camps. Harvard University Press. ISBN 978-0-674-42558-3.

References

  1. ^ Wachsmann, Nikolaus (2006). "Looking into the Abyss: Historians and the Nazi Concentration Camps". European History Quarterly. 36 (2): 247–278. doi:10.1177/0265691406062613.
  2. ^ Becker, Michael; Bock, Dennis (2020). "Rethinking the Muselmann in Nazi Concentration Camps and Ghettos: History, Social Life, and Representation". The Journal of Holocaust Research. 34 (3): 155–157. doi:10.1080/25785648.2020.1782067.
  3. ^ Lambertz, Jan (2020). "The Urn and the Swastika: Recording Death in the Nazi Camp System*". German History. 38 (1): 77–95. doi:10.1093/gerhis/ghz107.
  4. ^ Homola, Jonathan; Pereira, Miguel M.; Tavits, Margit (2020). "Legacies of the Third Reich: Concentration Camps and Out-group Intolerance". American Political Science Review. 114 (2): 573–590. doi:10.1017/S0003055419000832. ISSN 0003-0554. Never mind: looks like it failed to replicate

Tone of the 'prisoners' section

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The tone especially of the last sentence in this section ("as many as 200,000 survivors") worries me and I wonder if anyone has an explanation for it, or if it should be flagged for revision? From the vast numbers of victims, 200,000 survivors isn't a great proportion... Sadie694 (talk) 10:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 August 2025

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The first sentence of the third paragraph under the section called "Organization" reads: 'The camps under the IKL were guarded by members of the SS-Totenkopfverbände, lit. "SS Death's Head Units".'

The "Death's Head" link points to a page about Marvel comic book characters. Should this be changed to something relevant, or not link to anything at all? The "SS-Totenkopfverbände" links to the relevant article. Chinups (talk) 07:04, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Changed the link to point to Totenkopf. Day Creature (talk) 18:04, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 November 2025

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Closing early, snow oppose. (closed by non-admin page mover) Celia Homeford (talk) 13:55, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi concentration camps → Nazi German concentration campsNazi German concentration camps – Stop whitewashing and German propaganda

  1. Nazi is a party. National Socialist German Workers' Party. Camp weren't NSDAP party camps, they been German county camps, build on German and occupied by Germans soil, organized by Germans country, not on party plot of land
  2. Nazism was just a tool. Knife don't kill, knifeman does. Nazism was just a tool, tool used by Germans and the Germans do the killing.
  3. What Nazis? NeoNazis? Aryan Brotherhood? Nazis from space? Before 60s nobody heard of Nazis, is was just a crimes of Germans.
  4. This is whitewashing and propaganda removing responsibility from Germans and putting it on some mythical Nazis from Naziland. Why "Germany" is removed from title? Those where German camps and created by Germans, operated by Germans, where they wrote documents and speak in German. Actually it should be even moved to German concentration camps Amily6 (talk) 14:32, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  • WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRECISE. There was never any other kind of Nazi concentration camps, but there were other German concentration camps. The phrase "Nazi German", moreover, is uncommonly used in English.
  • Moreover, this move request is filled with faulty reasoning. Just to give a few examples: the words nazi, nazis, and nazism were most in use in the 1940s[1], many of the camp personnel were not from Germany, and a large number of the camps were located outside of Germany's original territory.
(t · c) buIdhe 14:45, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nazi Germany is very common for country, again Nazi was just a party or ideology.
Non-originally German occupied territory is still German territory, and it's operated and organized by Germans. This is exactly this German propaganda whitewashing, is the camp was on the occupied Netherlands does it make a Dutch concentration camp? No it's still German camp in occupied Netherlands.
Another whitewashing. The world "Nazi" of course existed but https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0901.html in titles there was only Germany. This whitewashing is progressing started with Germany -> Nazi Germany -> Nazi, what going to be further Nazi Dutch? Amily6 (talk) 14:59, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nazi German is much less frequently used than Nazi Germany. (t · c) buIdhe 16:11, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. What whitewashing? And the NeoNazis didn't build concentration camps so probably WP:SNOW. ~2025-37042-67 (talk) 17:31, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly whitewashing. Nazis from Naziland build it, it was run by Nazis that speak Nazianish. And Germans where first victim of bad Nazists. And like in this Template:Nazi concentration camps sidebar it was a "Russian camp" and Germans are only mentioned as prisoners, this is just whitewashing Amily6 (talk) 20:45, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unnecessary precision. Any reader familiar with the subject knows that Nazis in this context were German. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:33, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Adding German is unnecessary considering where the Nazis originated from.
Agnieszka653 (talk) 17:45, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Totally redundant and unwarranted. Obenritter (talk) 20:24, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Mellk (talk) 18:47, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Before 60s nobody heard of Nazis, is was just a crimes of Germans. What a peculiar notion. I can give you citations for the phrase "Nazi concentration camp" going back to September of 1933. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 21:05, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Was there NSDAP camps or Nazis from Naziland that victims where Germans? There where German camps, created by Germans on German or occupied by Germany territory. Amily6 (talk) 21:26, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What does that have to do with my comment? You're uttering nonsense, and compounding it. The Nazi party and the German state were coterminous after 1933. "Just a party"? Time for a WP:SNOWCLOSE now. I'll give it another hour just in case anyone other than the OP disagrees with closure. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 22:25, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks exactly coterminous, but not the same. So it wasn't a Nazi party camp, but Nazi Germany camp. So why Germany is whitewashed from it? And you didn't provide those citations. As I provide NY Times source there Poland was attacked by Germany, not some Nazis from space. Amily6 (talk) 22:35, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How is any of this whitewashing? No one is denying or downplaying Nazi atrocities—blindlynx 19:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OP wants to focus on them being German atrocities rather than Nazi atrocities, and is suggesting that we are "whitewashing" the German-ness of Nazism as a whole by not specifying "German" in the article title. The very first sentence of the article, however, refers quite clearly to "Nazi Germany"; any reader will see that immediately. German concentration camps, as appropriate, contains a link to this article. "Nazi German concentration camp" is an almost invisibly rare usage. I mentioned WP:SNOWCLOSE above, but I've disqualified myself from doing it because I'm too involved. Perhaps someone else will. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 21:13, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Buidhe (talk · contribs) 06:43, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 06:57, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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  • File:German Empire 1937 adm location map.svg: The map is not accessible for colour blind people (perhaps the chronology could be presented with the use of symbols, not only by colours). What is a "main camp"? Is the chronology verified?
    • The main camp is explained later in the article. I changed some of the symbols and added a note clarifying the sourcing.
      @Nikkimaria: I would appreciate your thoughts on the use of colours and symbols on the map. Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 03:58, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The different circle colours are a MOS:COLOUR problem. That being said, COLOUR isn't among the MOS provisions that are typically applied at GA level. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:17, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification. Borsoka (talk) 04:58, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-78612-0004, KZ Sachsenhausen, Häftlinge bei Erdarbeiten.jpg: the source at Commons seems to be a dead link.
  • File:Concentration camp prisoners at Messerschmitt factory.png: could the publisher and ISBN be added for the source at Commons?
    • Done
  • File:Fabrikgebäude Universelle-Werke Zwickauer Str. 46 - 1 (cropped).jpg: is the caption verified?
  • File:Establishment of Nazi concentration camps timeline.png: the cited source's author is missing at Commons. Borsoka (talk) 09:30, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Commons doesn't support multiple authors, so I fixed it by swapping the template for plain text

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  • ...there were precedents in other countries... Some examples?
  • Although the word "concentration camp" has acquired the connotation of murder because of the Nazi concentration camps, the British camps in South Africa did not involve systematic murder. The German Empire also established concentration camps during the Herero and Namaqua genocide (1904–1907); the death rate of these camps was 45 per cent, twice that of the British camps. The text implies that the German concentration camps were established for systematic murder. If this is the case, this should be explicitly stated, otherwise the text should be rephrased.
  • ...during the Herero and Namaqua genocide (1904–1907)... I would clarify that it happened in Namibia in Africa.
  • ...Eastern European Jews... A link to Ostjuden?
  • Link Cottbus-Sielow.
  • Many prisoners were released in late 1933, and after a Christmas amnesty, there were only a few dozen camps left.[15] About 70 camps were established in 1933, in any convenient structure that could hold prisoners, including vacant factories, prisons, country estates, schools, workhouses, and castles. I would inform our readers about the establishment of the camps, before telling them that only a few dozen camps were left by the end of the year.
  • ...which specified draconian punishments... Some examples?
  • ...the camps became increasingly brutal and lethal due to the plans of the Nazi leadership... I do not understand it.
  • ...euthanasia centers... Good death centers?
  • ...at least 6,000 and as many as 20,000 people... Rephrase ("possibly/probably/likely/... as many as 20,000").
  • ...war industries Some example?
  • Orders to reduce deaths... By whom?
  • Why is not the German name of Dept. VI mentioned?
  • Corruption was widespread. Some details?
  • ...war youth generation... When were they born?
  • ...who were hard-hit by the economic crisis and feared decline in status When? Why not past perfect?
  • Perpetration by this leadership ... Is "perpetration" the best term in context?
  • ...resistance fighters... I would link "resistance" to Resistance during World War II.
  • ...Nazi population policy... A link or some explanation?
  • ...the majority of the population of some camps Some examples?
  • Most Jews who were persecuted and killed during the Holocaust were never prisoners in concentration camps...Extermination camps for the mass murder of Jews—Kulmhof, Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka—were set up outside the concentration camp system. I would make a more direct connection between the two sentences for better understanding of the first sentence.
  • Despite many deaths,... Could you quantify the statement?
  • Could you expand section "Conditions" with some quantitative statements about food and water supply, population density, etc?
  • Conditions worsened after the outbreak of war... Could you introduce pre-war conditions before stating that these conditions worsened during the war?
  • ...the previous hierarchy based on triangle to one based on nationality I do not understand it, especially because no previous hierarchy was presented.
  • Spanish Republicans are first mentioned in section "Conditions".
  • ...such as farming on moorland (such as at Esterwegen) Rephrase to aviod the repetiotion of "such as".
  • ...at a fixed daily cost Some examples and a comparison with wages?
  • ...the prisoner population... I would say "the population of concentration camps/the camps' population" to avoid misunderstanding in context.
  • ...a "dual strategy of publicity and secrecy"... Attribute the quote to someone in the text.
  • ...those few Germans who tried to help did not encounter punishment Why?
  • There were 27 main camps... The map and it caption indicates fewer main camps.
  • Major evacuations of the camps... This text is too neutral in comparison with the linked WP article.
  • ...when prisoners began to be perceived... By whom?
  • ...the Western Allies in 1945 went viral around the world in 1945 Rephrase to avoid the repetition of the year.
  • Accounts of the concentration camps – both condemnatory and sympathetic – were publicized outside of Germany before World War II. Some examples?
  • ...Der Ort des Terrors... Translate the title.
  • Some reference to films depicting concentration camps or a picture from such a production? Borsoka (talk) 10:43, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]