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	A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 1, 2013. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the majority of instances of anti-Muslim violence in India have occurred in the northern and western states of India?

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It is totally misleading and false information and can cause social problems and riots 2409:4060:294:67CA:0:0:98F:8A1 (talk) 07:53, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PLease read wp:afd, you can't ask for an article to be deleted on its talk page. Slatersteven (talk) 09:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This page is very misleading in nature. Violence has been perpetrated against Hindus as well or any other religion for that matter. Associating violence with religion fails humanity and further creates divide. Sashwat0707 (talk) 16:28, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How is it misleading, do we say there is only violence against slims please quote where we say that? Slatersteven (talk) 16:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You do understand that by omitting that violence was done against Hindus too, acts in favour of you expressing that only Islam suffered. Please stop hiding behind the words and put in all the fact, if not, then dont put any. 2405:201:D01C:2045:2450:4579:281B:E9B6 (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We don't Persecution of Hindus. Slatersteven (talk) 20:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article totally a propaganda to make hindus a villian. This article talks about riots but only mentions muslim casualties. Moreover , there are many riots initiated by muslims too. In Independent India, the number of death of hindus are more than muslims because of riots initiated by muslims. Western media won't mention that many riots started because of violence done by muslims at start but they will start blaming Hindus when they retaliate. These propagandas have been going on for long. This article is make Hindus look like villains when Hindus are ones who are dying more. They will mention RSS or Other hindu groups but they will never mention muslim groups that are funding terrorism. Recently , Bangladeshi Hindus are suffering too but what is western or arabic media like aljazeera doing. They are making it like it ok. Few years in future, i will another wikipedia article like this where they will mention no hindus or temples were killed or destroyed. Similarly in Raesi , Kashmir, islamist terrorist killed Hindu pilgrims. So, Why would any common innocent man love muslims after all these violence. Why don't you write violence against Hindus in Independent India, Pakistan and Bangladesh in same style? Then i will agree that you are not biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40E6:3B:E382:34C6:984D:9CA3:F555 (talk) 15:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PLease read wp:afd. Slatersteven (talk) 15:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go: Persecution of Hindus. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Falsified lnfo, will give rise to communal disharmony.Content should be immediately deleted 2402:8100:25D7:6AC1:0:0:473D:10B (talk) 07:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

THis is not how you get articles deleted, you need to wp:afd them, with better reasons than "I do not like it". Slatersteven (talk) 10:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made a few minor changes in the ledé, which were reverted by @Slatersteven: for the stated reasons: "tHis is about all your edits, not just the description." and "THis was better". I believe my version is more concise and straight to the point; Firstly, there's shouldn't be any short description as the title if self-explanatory. Then, anti-Muslim violence has not only been carried out by Hindu nationalists mobs but by Sikhs and other communities per the infobox; and too many details such as "Over 10,000 people have been killed in Hindu-Muslim communal violence since 1950 in 6,933 instances of communal violence between 1954 and 1982" aren't needed in ledé as the ledé is supposed to be short summary of the entire article. So that is why I moved this from the ledé to the body. Rashidpour Rezanejad 14:28, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well for one "Over 10,000 people have been killed in Hindu-Muslim communal violence since 1950 ", we do not need to say 10,000 twice. In addition, the short description is to aid in searches, removing it adds nothing. "through the partition in 1947" it not an improvement, though to what? "frequently in the form of violent attacks on Muslims" why was this removed, as it says what it is, vioelence? You also remeoved a source, why? Slatersteven (talk) 14:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I could not say thius in an edit summery. Slatersteven (talk) 14:42, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Off the top of my head. Slatersteven (talk) 14:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did not remove any source. I only moved one source from the ledé to the body per MOS:LEADCITE. Short description removal is per WP:SDNONE that states: "some article titles are sufficiently self-explanatory to English language speakers worldwide that a descriptive annotation would not be helpful.". Several featured articles like the List of prime ministers of India do not have any short description. Also, how does adding partition not an improvement? It's quite relevant to the article itself; the first instances of anti-Muslim violence were linked to the partition of 1947. And yes, the 10,000 people being killed should not be twice in the ledé; it should be mentioned once in the ledé and once in the body. Rashidpour Rezanejad 15:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was there for a reason, the figure had been challenged as I recall. And the partition text does not make sense, what was it though to? It does not need changing, we have arrived at this after long and torturous discussion. Slatersteven (talk) 16:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But I have sateted my objections its now time for others to chip in. Slatersteven (talk) 16:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Slatersteven that the citation shouldn't be removed - on a page this contentious, we need the citation. As to the rest of the wording, it really depends on whether the source says that 10,000 Muslims were killed, or whether 10,000 people died - I cannot access the source at this moment. Obviously, we need to be saying what the source says. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I comply with the inclusion of citation. Any thoughts on the other edits I made? Rashidpour Rezanejad 18:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts depend on the content of the citation, as I said: are you able to provide a quote? Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:40, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the citation does not mention the 10,000 figure. I have it opened. It says: "Aside from the aftermath of the partition, Hindu-Muslim relations in India have been marked by periodic violence and riots. Jabalpur experienced communal riots in 1961, Ahmedabad in 1969, and Bhiwandi-Jalgaon in 1970. The end of the 1970s and early 1980s also witnessed a number of major communal riots. Official figures compiled from several sources, including the Home Ministry, indicate the total number of incidents of communal violence between 1954 and 1982 as 6,933 (Brass 1990, 198)" It just tells both Hindu-Muslim causalities between these years. Rashidpour Rezanejad 18:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I looked through the body, and the ref for the 10,000 figure is from Biggs and Dhattiwala, which does verify the content but is citing another source, Wilkinson's Votes and Violence, 2009. There is no page number, and I lack the time to go through an entire book right now. Biggs and Dhattiwala are discussing overall victims, meaning your version of the lead isn't supported. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:13, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It has been proposed in this section that Violence against Muslims in independent India be renamed and moved to Violence against Muslims in IndiaViolence against Muslims in India. A bot will list this discussion on the requested moves current discussions subpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the closing instructions). Please base arguments on article title policy, and keep discussion succinct and civil. Please use {{subst:requested move}}. Do not use {{requested move/dated}} directly. Links: current log • target log • direct move

Violence against Muslims in independent India → Violence against Muslims in IndiaViolence against Muslims in India – The move would make the article WP:CONSISTENT with Violence against Christians in India and also allow us to go into more detail regarding violence against Muslims during the independence struggle, during the partition, etc. EarthDude (wanna talk?) 18:19, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's the title this article had when it was written: I can't find the history of the 2023 move. If that was undiscussed, we probably don't need an RM. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]