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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting fact). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
May 12	1	1
May 20	1
May 21	1
May 22	1	1
May 25	1
May 27	1
May 28	2
May 30	3	1
May 31	1
June 6	4	1
June 7	3	1
June 9	2
June 10	2
June 11	4
June 12	2
June 13	2	1
June 15	1
June 16	3
June 17	5	3
June 18	2
June 19	2
June 20	3	1
June 21	4	1
June 22	9	1
June 23	7	5
June 24	13	8
June 25	8
June 26	8	3
June 27	13	8
June 28	7	3
June 29	7	5
June 30	15	7
July 1	9	8
July 2	7	6
July 3	8	5
July 4	7	6
July 5	19	11
July 6	15	9
July 7	11	4
July 8	12	6
July 9	13	4
July 10	9	4
July 11	7	2
July 12	7	5
July 13	6	1
July 14	9	3
July 15	5
July 16
Total	282	125
Last updated 04:05, 16 July 2025 UTC Current time is 06:12, 16 July 2025 UTC [refresh]

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For more information on the DYK rules and review processes, see the DYK guidelines and the reviewer instructions.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

• Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
• Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
• The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
• To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

  Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

  If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
• Save the page.
• After the nomination is approved, a bot will automatically list the nomination page on Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Handy copy sources:

• Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
• In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

• Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
• Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
  • View the edit history for that page
  • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
  • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
• Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
• If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

• Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

• ... that the song "Ol' Man River" from Show Boat was originally written with the intent of having it sung by Broadway Jones?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Washington University in St. Louis, Template:Did you know nominations/Harriet (novel)
• Comment: Moved to article space on May 20, 2025

4meter4 (talk) 20:53, 21 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Article is new and long enough (created May 20), NPOV, has an interesting hook. One QPQ is done, but one additional is needed due to backlog mode being active. Article is inline and reliably sourced to a book from Oxford University Press. No image. Earwig shows 3.8% (violation unlikely). Chetsford (talk) 19:14, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chetsford I added my second QPQ above. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go! Chetsford (talk) 04:20, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 and Chetsford: I have pulled this per WT:DYK. I note 4meter4's comment that "Ol' Man River" is often cited as the beginning of the modern musical and I suggest adding a source to that effect (for example, that "a song often cited as the beginning of the modern musical" was written..."); otherwise, this needs a new hook.--Launchballer 14:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer That is not what I said. Show Boat as a whole is cited as the beginning of the modern musical. "Ol' Man River" is the best known song from that show. There are many sources for that, but if you look at the Musical theatre article Show Boat is the only work to get its own subsection. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, my mistake. I suggest "that the best known song from a musical often cited...".--Launchballer 15:07, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The hook isn’t about Ol Man River but about Broadway Jones. The point was that this very famous song was written for his voice. It’s the most interesting thing about him in my opinion.4meter4 (talk) 15:10, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I won’t have internet access this week as I am traveling to a remote area with no cell phone reception or internet. It may be a while before I can think up something new. I will say I am a bit dismayed by the outcome here as I don’t think the song is obscure. There aren’t very many songs that have entire books written about them, and this is one of them.4meter4 (talk) 15:17, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"I am a bit dismayed by the outcome here as I don’t think the song is obscure." I share your perplexity. Chetsford (talk) 15:51, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I think this misses the actually interesting part of the story. Lots of songs are written with particular performers in mind, but to have a song in a musical written especially for you yet turn down the part seems much more intriguing. I suggest something like "...despite the song Ol Man River from the musical Showboat having been written with him in mind, Broadway Jones did not join the cast?" --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:37, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While that seems like a fine hook, the source only says he didn't join the original cast. Unless I'm missing something, we would need a source that established he didn't join the touring cast or any revival casts as well. I suppose we could modify it by saying "join the original cast" but that gets a little clunky. Chetsford (talk) 20:13, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Launchballer pulled this per a WT:DYK discussion. @Chetsford: How does this ALT hook sound?

ALT1 ... that singer Broadway Jones got his nickname from always wearing sharp looking suits?

Note that 4meter4 will be away for a week per their comment at the WT:DYK discussion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions) 00:14, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems less interesting than the original one. Ol Man River is probably the most iconic song in the Great American Songbook while Broadway Jones is (I think - at least to me) relatively unknown in 2025 unless one is immersed in the history of vaudeville. But I guess it's better than nothing. Chetsford (talk) 04:28, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how that even makes sense. What's the connection?----User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:39, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Probably from the culture of the New York theatre district at that time being connected so closely to fashion.4meter4 (talk) 23:31, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems more like a nonsequiter than something interesting. The only reason that would get me to click is to find out what it was supposed to be saying. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 15:43, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would assume that if he had later joined the cast, the source would have said so. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 17:08, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I am fine with alt1.4meter4 (talk) 23:31, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm reposting this here as it might be better for this hook's context. @Launchballer and Narutolovehinata5 It was just pointed out to me that "Ol' Man River" is on the AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs list and a recording of it was inducted into the Grammy Awards' Grammy Hall of Fame in 2006. The song has apparently been recorded by major artists in Europe and India as well as by Americans like Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra. I strongly urge you based on this strong evidence to reconsider promoting the original hook as the concerns raised are not valid in light of the evidence.4meter4 (talk) 20:06, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I don't understand the attachment to the original hook, because even with all that context, those accolades do not matter if the reader or audience is not familiar with the song. I'd be open to a variant of ALT0 that mentions it being on the list, but I don't think vanilla ALT0 works even with the context. One rule of thumb for hooks I have is, "If a hook requires an explanation on the nomination page, it usually does not meet DYKINT." Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:28, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But the hook doesn’t require explanation. I think the point is that your lack of familiarity is not an accurate predictor of the general public’s familiarity in this case. This is a very famous song that a large percentage of readers on the English wiki will know. The accolades indicate fame and are a better predictor of that criteria than any individual wikipedian. Extrapolating your own lack of knowledge out to a wider audience is not a good way to operate in cases where there is evidence of wide fame/recognition on a given topic. At some point we all have to acknowledge that there are elements of popular culture / common knowledge that for whatever reason we as individuals may have missed but the general public overall has not. Applying specialized knowledge onto a well known topic isn’t a good idea.4meter4 (talk) 22:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: It seems this nomination process has stalled, and by next week it will probably timed out. I propose coming with new and more interesting hooks if possible, or at the very least a better variation of the original hook. Here I propose one:

ALT0-B... that Broadway Jones refused to sing "Ol' Man River" from Show Boat because the pay was too low, despite the fact the song was written for him?

NeoGaze (talk) 14:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0-C... that Broadway Jones refused to portray Joe in the original production of Show Boat because the pay was too low, despite the fact that the song "Ol' Man River" was created for him?

@4meter4: I like this one! Now if another person could check it out and confirm if it is good enough, then we can move on. NeoGaze (talk) 17:12, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that within 90 years, ownership of a two-story house (pictured) changed seven times among four countries?
• Source: Various sources in the article. Pretty much the entire History section.
  • ALT1: ... that a two-story house was listed for 1.2 billion Chinese Yuan?
  • Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20050830222101/http://biz.163.com/41201/0/16GQP8LO00020QEO.html
  • ALT2: ... that occupants of a two-story house (pictured) include a British businessman, Chinese and Japanese armies, two textile companies, and a consulting firm?
  • Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20170416124048/http://www.yplib.org.cn/jdfzzdg/cfjz/33870.htm
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jeremiah Chamberlain

'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:28, 29 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Article is new enough and long enough. Hook fact is verified in the sources for 0 and ALT2 - rejecting ALT1 as the source reads “1.2 亿元” - 120 million; not as impressive. QPQ has been provided. No copyvio detected, as expected when all sources are in Chinese. Image is… clear enough at that size, and adequately licensed. Good to go. Strongly prefer ALT2. Juxlos (talk) 09:02, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Pulled. The source says ownership "changed seven times among four countries" but at least two of these were "occupations" rather than ownership. The ALT hook isn't very good either, so I have returned this one for further discussion. Gatoclass (talk) 10:54, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Gatoclass: would ALT2 be good then? It's supported by the sources and somewhat interesting [​[User:CanonNi]​] (💬 • ✍️) 02:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IMO ALT2 is a DYKINT fail. Suggested alt:

• ALT3: ... that British hotelier Victor Sassoon lost his private residence, Regan Garden, after the communist takeover of Shanghai? Gatoclass (talk) 10:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While I think ALT3 is a better hook, I do not see why ALT2 fails DYKINT. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, it should be "troops" not "armies". But was the house literally occupied by troops from both armies? The article isn't 100% clear on that.

But regardless, it still just reads as a random list of occupiers. What house doesn't have very different occupiers over the course of its history? That is not unusual at all. Gatoclass (talk) 12:57, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It could be for a layperson. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:20, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's really a mansion, not just a 'two-story house". Which incidentally is another problem with that hook IMO. Gatoclass (talk) 15:02, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Anyhow, since we agree that ALT3 is the better hook, somebody is needed to review it. Gatoclass (talk) 09:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Dutch team (pictured) anchored by Femke Bol won the women's 4 × 400 metres relay at the European Athletics Championships as well as at the World Athletics Indoor Championships in 2024?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wang Yungui, Template:Did you know nominations/American Samoa at the 2022 Winter Olympics, Template:Did you know nominations/Leon Hatziioannou, Template:Did you know nominations/...Ready for It?
• Comment: I chose to order the boldlinked articles from smaller to bigger region (European, world) instead of earlier to later event (world, European), because this made more sense to me reading the hook, but this can obviously be switched if preferred.

Editør (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: These all look good to me. Great work.

Thank you for your review. – Editør (talk) 15:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Pulled per WT:DYK discussion to work on a better hook. RoySmith (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Editør: Can you propose some ALT hooks, or should this nomination be closed as unsuccessful? Z1720 (talk) 15:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot come up with a combined hook, so I will try separate hooks.

Here are two alternative hooks for 2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay. – Editør (talk) 16:58, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1 ... that in 2024, the Dutch women's team was the first to successfully defend (final pictured) the European women's 4 × 400 metres relay title since 2002? (Source previous wins: Statistics Handbook, source #2 in the article; source win in 2024: Results Book, source #1 in the article)
• ALT2 ... that sprinter Femke Bol (pictured in the final) thought it was "super super super cool" that the Dutch women's 4 × 400 metres relay team successfully defended their European title? (Source: NOS, a Dutch-language article with video, source #13 in the article)

And here is an alternative hook for 2024 World Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay. – Editør (talk) 17:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT3 ... that the Dutch women's 4 × 400 metres relay team (pictured) won their first world indoor title in 2024? (Source for previous wins: source #3 in the article; source for win: source #2 in the article)

Please also see the nomination Template:Did you know nominations/2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay with alt hooks where this 2024 event is combined with others from 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2025. – Editør (talk) 19:28, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now that 2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay is used in a five-article hook, that only leaves the 2024 World Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay to get a hook approved. Below is another option for this article. – Editør (talk) 15:41, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT4 ... that the relay teams of five countries set seven national records during the women's 4 × 400 metres relay at the 2024 World Athletics Indoor Championships (winners pictured)?

• ... that Luis Aranaz captained Sabadell to two Segunda División titles in 1943 and 1946?

• Reviewed:

Luis7M (talk) 17:22, 3 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Luis7M: The hook is verified, but it's on the border for me if it's "interesting". I'll mark it down as such since leading a team to 2 titles is notable. The article does not read neutrally/encyclopedic. I know that the tone of sports articles is different on Wikipedia, but this one sounds too promotion in my opinion. I think it should be rewritten to be more neutral. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 00:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PizzaKing13: I gave this a rudimentary copyedit. Which bits do you consider unduly promotional?--Launchballer 12:06, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I thought the beginning of the second paragraph of the club career section sounded to promotional, but I went ahead and copyedited it myself to make it more neutral. I believe the article is ready for DYK, though I suggest that Segunda División should be linked. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 17:19, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Note: @PizzaKing13 and Luis7M: I don't find the hook that interesting, for the reasons PK13 notes above; as DYK slots are currently under high demand, I won't be promoting it. Other promoters may disagree. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: Fair enough. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 00:31, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Luis7M: If you propose another hook I think this could be saved. @AirshipJungleman29: What do you think? Earth605 (talk) 15:30, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Earth605: There is no other hook. I still think the current one works out, but since it is a "hedge case of interest", then I don't mind waiting until the DYK slots become less in demand. Luis7M (talk) 00:05, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Luis7M: Yeah, we need another reviewer to at least consider this.

Not touching this with a barge pole per WP:DYKINT; the hook requires knowledge of what Sabadell and the Secunda Division are.--Launchballer 11:19, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this makes it a little more interesting? ALT1: ...that Luis Aranaz was named an "adopted son" of Sabadell after captaining the football club to two Segunda División titles in 1943 and 1946? ~ L 🌸 (talk) 21:48, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this more layperson friendly version works? ALT1a ... that footballer Luis Aranaz was named an "adopted son" of CE Sabadell FC after captaining it to two Spanish second division titles in the 1940s? At the very least, the hook is supposed to make it clear that it is talking about (association) football and a second-division league. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:10, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: and @Earth605: What do you guys think of the new hook proposed by Narutolovehinata5? Luis7M (talk) 14:45, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have much experience, @Luis7M: (at least by my imaginatory standards), but this is a for me. Please somebody else tick this. @LEvalyn:, @Launchballer:.Earth605 (talk) 14:53, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a fails verification; he was the named the son of the city of Sabadell, not the football club, which might even make for a better hook! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:52, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that that chronic pain or depression in autistic people is sometimes misread as “just part of autism,” delaying diagnosis and care?

• ALT1: ... that that older autistic adults may go untreated for conditions like sensory loss, pain, or memory decline because their symptoms are wrongly attributed to autism?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: This is my first DYK nomination. This article highlights a significant and under-recognized health equity issue in autism: how co-occurring conditions like chronic pain or memory decline may be missed due to diagnostic overshadowing.

PulsarPen (talk) 17:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• @PulsarPen: Thanks for writing an important article like this! Here's the DYK review:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - Not all paragraphs have citations at the end.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - ALT0 isn't fully supported by the article - chronic pain and depression aren't specifically mentioned in the relevant sentence.
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - Both hooks need formatting changes.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The hooks aren't formatted correctly - this guideline describes the standard style that hooks should be written in. As well as this, the first hook (ALT0) isn't supported by the article. Here's suggestions for improving your hooks, with correct formatting and the first hook's issue fixed:

• ALT0: ... that chronic conditions in autistic people are sometimes misread as "just part of autism", delaying diagnosis and care?
• ALT1: ... that older autistic adults may go untreated for conditions like sensory loss, pain, or memory decline because their symptoms are wrongly attributed to autism?

To have the review passed, you'll also have to add citations to the end of a few paragraphs, as "all content that could reasonably be challenged ... must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)." (from this guideline). Here's all the instances that need a citation:

• Section "Physical health in autistics", paragraph starting "Such misattributions can result in..."
• Section "Diagnostic overshadowing in reverse", paragraph starting "This form of overshadowing delays access to..."
• The first paragraph of the "Systemic contributors" section
• Section "Diagnostic overshadowing over the lifespan", paragraph starting "This form of lifespan overshadowing reflects..."

And one more minor thing: this doesn't affect whether or not the review passes, but usually when providing sources in DYK nominations, quotes are given from the citations themselves in order to make it easier for the reviewer to verify that the hooks are sourced.

Once the citation issues have been fixed, I'll be happy to pass this! I personally think that the first hook is a little more interesting than the second. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 23:33, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PulsarPen: Courtesy ping to let you know that this DYK will be rejected for inactivity soon if there's no reply. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 15:52, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Suntooooth and @IntentionallyDense, thank you both for your time and thoughtful feedback on this DYK. I’ve carefully addressed each point as follows: My intended edits are below. I’m struggling a bit about how to edit the DYK page…. Please bear with me as I try to figure this out (also appreciate any help on the adding my intended edits below) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PulsarPen (talk • contribs) 00:10, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1. Synthesis Concern (IntentionallyDense) Reviewer comment: The article previously cited only epilepsy and GI disorders but made a broader claim about chronic conditions, which could be WP:SYNTH. My response:
I've rewritten the sentence to remove the unsourced generalization. The updated phrasing now ties each condition (e.g., chronic pain, GI symptoms, autoimmune conditions) to secondary sources that explicitly discuss them. I also added:

• Mason et al. (2019): A systematic review that documents elevated chronic physical health conditions in autistic adults.
• Croen et al. (2015): A population-level study supporting multisystem health disparities.

This ensures that the revised statement reflects the scope of the sources used and avoids synthesis.

2. Hook Citation Support (Suntooooth) Reviewer comment: ALT0 originally referenced chronic pain and depression, but those conditions weren’t clearly cited in the article sentence used. My response:
I revised the hook for clarity and ensured it matches the wording and sourcing in the article. The final hook is now: ALT0: ... that chronic conditions in autistic people are sometimes misread as "just part of autism", delaying diagnosis and care? This wording directly reflects the cited section of the article, which now ends with high-quality secondary citations (e.g., Mason et al. 2019, Buie et al. 2010).

3. Citation Placement at End of Paragraphs Reviewer comment: Several paragraphs did not end with citations as required. My response:
I’ve reviewed and updated all flagged paragraphs to ensure proper citation placement, specifically:

• “Physical health in autistics” — now ends with Mason et al. (2019)
• “Diagnostic overshadowing in reverse” — now ends with Moyse & Porter (2015), a secondary source
• First paragraph of “Systemic contributors” — updated to cite Mason et al. (2019)
• Paragraph in “Diagnostic overshadowing over the lifespan” — ends with Croen et al. (2015) and Mason et al. (2019)

4. Hook Formatting Reviewer comment: Hooks weren’t in standard format. My response:
Both hooks have now been updated to follow the DYK format:

• ALT0: ... that chronic conditions in autistic people are sometimes misread as "just part of autism", delaying diagnosis and care?
• ALT1: ... that older autistic adults may go untreated for conditions like sensory loss, pain, or memory decline because their symptoms are wrongly attributed to autism?

Each now appears as a complete question in DYK style and reflects a verified section in the article with inline secondary citations.

5. Quotes from Sources (Optional Suggestion) Reviewer suggestion: Consider quoting the sources in the DYK nomination to make reviewer verification easier. My response:
I’ve added direct quote snippets from Buie et al. (2010), Mason et al. (2019), and Croen et al. (2015) into the nomination template to make verification easier.

“Autistic individuals experience elevated rates of a wide range of chronic physical conditions…” Mason et al. (2019) “Chronic constipation, abdominal pain, and other GI symptoms… are often misinterpreted as behavioral issues in autism.” –Buie et al. (2010) “Autistic adults had significantly higher rates of chronic conditions including hypertension, diabetes, and dementia.” Croen et al. (2015) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PulsarPen (talk • contribs) 00:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply, but I'm going to have to ask for a second opinion from another reviewer. I'm not 100% sure that this should pass, and I'm on holiday right now so I don't have time to give this the attention it deserves - but I don't think it's a straightforward pass. (Also, you obviously didn't read the format guideline I linked in the review.) Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 00:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the championship game of the 2018–19 College Football Playoff had the worst viewership of any college football championship since 2012? Source: [1]
  • ALT0b: ... that fewer people watched the championship game of the 2018–19 College Football Playoff than any college football championship since 2012? Source: [2]
  • ALT1: ... that the 2018–19 College Football Playoff included a game between Alabama and Clemson, making it the fourth consecutive playoff to include such a game? Source: [3]
  • ALT2: ... that Alabama and Clemson had played against each other in each of the previous three editions of the College Football Playoff before their meeting in the 2018–19 edition? Source: [4]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Buried Alive!, Template:Did you know nominations/2018 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres

PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:02, 28 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• 2 QPQs done for backlog mode. GA status confirmed, hook is meh for me but presumably of some interest to someone who cares about this topic. Copyvio spotcheck, neutrality, etc. all GTG. Still, I'd ask for a more interesting hook. Even if I frame it in terms of stuff I care about, I can't start to care that some minor event had poor viewership in a few years frame. Can't we say anything more interesting? I don't want to hold this over my subjective view of what's interesting, but if possible, please suggest more hooks. (Hint: ChatGPT is decent at coming up with ideas - and I doubt it can do worse than what we have here, TBH). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Piotrus: I doubt it can do worse than what we have here - ouch. See above. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:19, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Approving now. I honestly don't consider the new hooks much better, but I don't want to veto this based on my subjective feeling; it may be that I just don't find the topic that thrilling and I can't appreciate trivia that someone else will find interesting. The closing admins can choose the hook they like the best, if any. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:53, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• This has been pulled per a WT:DYK discussion that raised concerns about the hook's interestingness. A new hook is needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:49, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PCN02WPS: Pinging for a new hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:17, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 and Piotrus: any thoughts on these:

ALT3: ... that Alabama's 28-point loss in the championship of the 2018–19 College Football Playoff was double the margin of their prior largest loss under head coach Nick Saban? source

ALT4: ... that by winning the 2018–19 College Football Playoff, Clemson became the first team in the AP poll era to finish a season undefeated with 15 wins? source same as ALT3

ALT5: ... that Donald Trump served Clemson players and coaches fast food during their playoff championship visit to the White House? source

PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:06, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, for general interest, maybe the last one? All others are pretty technical, and for someone not interested in sports (read: myself) they are not only uninteresting but hard to parse (but, please note, I am not vetoing them, per my previous comments - I fully accept that they can be interesting to those who like sports and understand the related jargon. FYI, by jargon I mean stuff like AP poll or margin of prior score). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:44, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I'm not a big fan of Trump hooks, or at least there being too many of them, ALT5 is probably the best and least specialist option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:00, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not thrilled about being responsible for another Trump hook, but at this point every football-related one seems unlikely to get approval and that seems to me to be the hookiest non-football-related fact. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:27, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We also have this if it is sufficiently free of "jargon" (this feels easily understandable to someone not intimately familiar with CFB - I would hope that people can understand what a "point" is and can make the connection between having fewer points and losing a game, margin of victory is also a fairly elementary concept that I would expect people to be able to understand, especially when worded like this):

ALT6: ... that that Alabama's 28-point loss in the championship of the 2018–19 College Football Playoff was their largest loss since 1998? source

PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:55, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the longest-serving leader of Taiwan's Social Democratic Party was a heavy metal singer? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20220517134627/https://www.thenewslens.com/feature/tnbt/71244
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hasto Wardoyo

'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• @CanonNi: Article is new enough and -just- long enough. QPQ has been provided, copyvio not detected (and unlikely due to Taiwanese-only sources). The hook, though, states that Lü is "the longest-serving leader", a factoid which is not mentioned in the article (or in the thenewslens.com article, which was published well before him being leader). Could you provide a mention and a source for that claim? Juxlos (talk) 04:12, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Juxlos: thanks for the review! The sources for that claim would be the the official source for his term (4 years) and a table on zhwiki that lists all leaders and their terms, based on multiple sources. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:28, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @CanonNi: Zhwiki is not an acceptable WP:RS; could you get another source supporting that claim? Maybe the party's website or somesuch. Also, the claim needs to be within the article - the average reader would not be wandering over to zhwiki. Juxlos (talk) 08:06, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Failing that, you could go with an alternate hook:

• ALT1: ... that a heavy metal singer was leader of Taiwan's Social Democratic Party between 2021 and 2024?
• ALT2: ... that a former heavy metal singer was leader of Taiwan's Social Democratic Party between 2021 and 2024? (if no longer active)

Juxlos (talk) 08:09, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Juxlos: Ah, alright. Let's go with ALT1 then, since sources seem to suggest the band still being somewhat active. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:13, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Juxlos (talk) 07:16, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rjjiii, CanonNi, and Juxlos: Pulled per WT:DYK.--Launchballer 09:49, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the fire-eye antbirds' (pictured) calls instead of songs are used to tell the species apart?

• • Reviewed:

Tkronos1 (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• No copyvio, reliable sources, good image, sufficient length of article. Suggesting a slightly shorter hook: ALT1 ... that the fire-eye antbirds' (pictured) use calls (not songs) to identify different antbird species? Jaireeodell (talk) 20:37, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaireeodell: Hooks must not contain parentheses outside of (pictured) per WP:DYK200.--Launchballer 16:41, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Thanks! I didn't know that. Would this work? ALT1 ... that the fire-eye antbirds' (pictured) use calls, not songs, to identify different antbird species? Jaireeodell (talk) 21:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me, though I recommend ALT1a: ... that fire-eye antbirds (pictured) use calls to identify different antbird species rather than songs?. It's the same as ALT0 with no new information, so you could approve it yourself.--Launchballer 13:21, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer and Jaireeodell: Are we certain that the source says it is the birds who use these calls? To me it sounds like it says that it is the researchers who do. Surtsicna (talk) 18:14, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, they aren't calling to blend in with other species, are they? Even so, to your point, would this work: ALT2: ... that fire-eye antbirds (pictured) may be identified from different antbird species by their calls rather than their songs?. Jaireeodell (talk) 19:11, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 1962 SWANU leader Werner Mamugwe was banned from entering Bechuanaland?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Franklin Sonn, Template:Did you know nominations/Najmul Akhyar

Soman (talk) 23:32, 31 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I will take this review Dwkaminski (talk) 13:54, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Dwkaminski (talk) 13:54, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Review comments:
  • Couldn't access Bollinger, Gowaseb or Putz/Von Egidy/Caplan references - but AGF
  • Not quite sure what to make of the Dag refrence - page 36 is a list of footnotes. I don't see any mention of his chairmanship on this page. It is redundant with reference 7 so might not be needed.
  • SWANU chair, imprisonment and exile section - ref 1 does not support the months - "In August 1966 he attempted to re-enter South West Africa through the Caprivi strip" and "On September 7, 1966 he was transferred to Pretoria Central Prison." - either add reference to support or remove months from article
  • Earwing copyvio detector shows 3.8% - copyright violation unlikely
  • @Soman:Just minor changes above - please make those changes and I'll approve - well sourced although I could not access several of them - hook is interesting however the story about being left in the wilderness to fend for himself would also be an interesting hook. Dwkaminski (talk) 15:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Dag reference backs up the claim that "Mamugwe helped edit the newspaper South West News - Suidwes Nuus" ("One of the young men helping Ngavirue and Veii with the editing of SWN was Werner Mamugwe."). The Angula reference clearly mentions the dates August 14, 1966 and September 7, 1966. --Soman (talk) 23:17, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • I see the dates in the quote now. Approved. Thanks! Dwkaminski (talk) 14:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Soman and Dwkaminski: not sure why the hook is "likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest"; could we have another suggestion? Thanks, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
          • • I disagree with the assertion that events in Africa would not be perceived as intriguing by readers. If a US politician would be banned from entry into Canada, would you consider that a noteworthy fact? --Soman (talk) 15:38, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
              • Being "noteworthy" has no relevance. To repeat, what matters is that the hook is "likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest". What percentage of worldwide readers understand what the US and Canada is—probably above 75%, thus meeting the requirement for "likely". What percentage of worldwide readers understand what SWANU and Bechuanaland are? Probably below 0.5%. Thus you can provide context, or a new hook. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:01, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
                • • @AirshipJungleman29: Maybe this reword works better?

ALT0a ... that in 1962, Namibian activist Werner Mamugwe was banned from entering Bechuanaland, present-day Botswana?

Admittedly it's clunky, but the context is there at least. The issue is that the article does not elaborate on why he was banned, and the article does not discuss it further other than the mention. If it could be elaborated on, maybe a proper hook could be proposed. Other than that, I think the most interesting part of the article was the one about how he had to survive a few days in the wilderness, although I don't know how to write that as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Better as ALT0b: ... that the Namibian activist Werner Mamugwe was once banned from entering the Bechuanaland Protectorate? which could interest readers more. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:12, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Michelle Pfeiffer stares back?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Visit Myanmar Year
  • Comment: Driveby nom intended for WP:DYKAPRIL.

Launchballer 00:07, 12 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I understand that Pfeiffer is apparently a popular actress (although I'm not very familiar with her), and that this is intended to be an April Fools' hook, but as currently written, I can't see how this hook is interesting to a broad audience. Do you have any other, more "normal" hook proposals? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did mention at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Quit Dreaming and Get on the Beam that 5000+ views a day says a broad audience knows who she is and that therefore almost any hook would pass the 'intriguing' part of WP:DYKINT. I'm not going to refuse to suggest a "normal" hook at this point, but given that pop music hooks do poorly at WP:DYKSTATS (I was shocked by how badly Push 2 Start did), I strongly recommend that we go with an April Fool's hook for this (albeit maybe not this one).--Launchballer 01:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, two other editors objected to the hook (not just me), so it seems that there is loose consensus at least to move away from this angle or even from an April Fools' angle entirely. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a good hook that creates plenty of intrigue and should get plenty of hits, indeed, it would probably do better if it wasn't used on April Fool's Day (when a bunch of questionable hooks tend to degrade overall impact) but just used as a standard quirky. Not every hook needs to spell out every aspect of the topic - probably half the hooks posted omit detail to create more interest. Gatoclass (talk) 02:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gotta agree with Naruto, this is not "interesting". The only thought that I am left with after reading it is "where's the rest of the sentence?" And just because a broad audience knows who someone is does not mean that "almost any hook" would be intriguing. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shorter hooks tend to be more effective, and omitting the quote marks would only be allowed on April Fool's Day.

ALT1: ... that Michelle Pfeiffer has been described as "a breath of fresh air"?

ALT2: ... that a Michelle Pfeiffer performance typically lasts about 4 minutes and 31 seconds?

ALT3: ... that Michelle Pfeiffer has been described as "stylish"?

ALT4: ... that Michelle Pfeiffer has been described as possessing "a cresting emotionality grand enough to fill the tallest IMAX screen"?

ALT5: ... that Michelle Pfeiffer was inspired by Michelle Pfeiffer?--Launchballer 16:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT5 seems interesting.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can live with ALT5. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:30, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Italy national football team defeated 6–2 France in their first official match on 15 May 1910?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nikolay Alyokhin
• Comment: Will do QPQ later.

Wikipediæ philosophia (talk) 22:25, 7 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• @Wikipediæ philosophia: The hook is an interesting fact about this important football match. Approved. Moondragon21 (talk) 06:48, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

Wikipediæ philosophia, there is uncited material in the article I have tagged which needs citing. The article also needs a copyedit for prose. These are issues I would expect the reviewer to pick up. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:17, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

apologies I reviewed that DYK before the article underwent major changes and was tagged for copyedit. Moondragon21 (talk) 13:52, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Wikipediæ philosophia: Have the above concerns been resolved, and is this ready for a re-review? Z1720 (talk) 15:50, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720:,  Fixed (Thanks to User Vaseline, who gave me a hand). Wikipediæ philosophia (talk) 19:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720:, frankly, no. Concerning the copy edit, probably it would be more sensible to ping someone who may be interested in. I always strive to write as correctly as possible, but my English isn’t C2 yet, lol. Regarding the lacking sources, I’ll fix asap. Wikipediæ philosophia (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikipediæ philosophia: The Guild of Copy Editors might be able to help with the copy edit. Z1720 (talk) 16:03, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that some exoplanets are disintegrating away into dust?
  • Reviewed:

jlwoodwa (talk) 01:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• article is long enough, new enough, and within policy. Hook is short enough and interesting. QPQ is not required. Note to the nominator(s), next time please provide a source for the hook in the nomination. I am using this one, btw. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Pulled some days ago, apologies for the delay in relisting this, I thought it would be quickly resolved. Article needs copyedit. Gatoclass (talk) 10:40, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of copyedit, Gatoclass? It looks fine to me. Surtsicna (talk) 08:24, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well then, perhaps you can explain to me what is meant by "The composition of the tail can be determined by modelling the transits caused by the dust tail. For Kepler-1520b and K2-22b one work found magnesium-iron silicates fitting the transits well.[3]"? Gatoclass (talk) 04:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the goal of "peace" may mean different things to Israelis and Palestinians?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sayuti Abubakar and Template:Did you know nominations/Nurtami Soedarsono

Onceinawhile (talk) 19:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment @Onceinawhile, I'm not sure about the hook: it's probably passable, but I think something more specific, such as peace vs. justice or the resulting miscommunications might be better? FortunateSons (talk) 08:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, how about:

• ALT1: …that because the goal of "peace" can mean different things to Israelis and Palestinians, it adds layers of misunderstanding?
• ALT2: …that the common interpretation of peace within Israeli society – security maintained through oppressive military control – has not proven sustainable?

Onceinawhile (talk) 22:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think those are better, with 1 being more factual and 2 being more interesting in my opinion. I’ll leave the full review to someone more experienced and less involved, but feel free to ping me if there is no timely review available. FortunateSons (talk) 19:48, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Onceinawhile ALT2 is more interesting, however I don't see 'security maintained through oppressive military control – has not proven sustainable' or similar explicitly stated in the article. Am I missing something? TarnishedPath^talk 05:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TarnishedPath: the first part is in there: Supporters of Israel, particularly those on the right-wing, primarily advocate for a negative peace or oppressive peace, where peace means security for Israelis with continuing control over, oppression of, or subjugation of Palestinians. I have just added two more sources, with quotes, to support the sentence.

With respect to the "has not proven sustainable", sadly I don't think a source is needed to prove such a statement as we sit here in June 2025, per WP:SKYBLUE. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:13, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Onceinawhile, it was specifically the "has not proven sustainable" bit that I was having trouble finding in the article. While that might be SKYBLUE to you and me I think someone might pick it up during the review process. TarnishedPath^talk 23:45, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TarnishedPath: thanks for clarifying – I have added a source and a quote. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:34, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article created 7 June and nominated the same day. Earwig comes up as 52.2%, however this is a consequence of usage of quotes in references. Both ALT1 and ALT2 are interesting and supported by sources. I have a preference for ALT2 which I think is more interesting but either of the ALTs are good. QPQ done. Good to go. TarnishedPath^talk 08:57, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gatoclass pulled the hook yesterday from the queue with an edit summary of "hook issues, possible article issues". Pinging Onceinawhile and TarnishedPath. SL93 (talk) 23:29, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If the hook is the primary issue, there are two others which are also interesting which can be used. @Gatoclass: can we get some clarification please? TarnishedPath^talk 23:47, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The original hook above looks fine.

With regard to the article, it isn't irredeemable, but using words like "oppressive" in Wikipedia's voice is inappropriate and needs to be properly attributed. Gatoclass (talk) 09:24, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gatoclass: "oppressive" is directly supported by scholarly sources in this context, as quoted in the article. This is a sensitive topic, so we must find the optimal language - not too strong and not too weak. The word “oppressive” is better than stronger words like apartheid, persecuting, dehumanizing, terrorizing, and better than doublespeak like governing or administering, that obscure the topic at hand. Its usage here is carefully thought through:

• The word is factual: encapsulating the well-known Israeli restrictions on Palestinian movement, goods, basic utilities, speech, assembly, self-determination, residency, trade, and legal rights around matters like home demolitions and administrative detentions.
• The word is carefully contextualized: While the word on its own can raise a question of justice/morality, its use here is clearly and consistently subordinated to the Israeli justification of peace and security. This ensures it is appropriately and neutrally contextualized in both the hook and the article.

The intention is to communicate the underlying debate on the topic of peace - Israelis primarily want security, Palestinians primarily want fundamental rights, and Israelis primarily aim for security at the expense of those Palestinian rights.

Onceinawhile (talk) 10:02, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How about:

• ALT3: ... that Israelis frame peace as conditional on security, while Palestinians frame it as conditional on justice? Gatoclass (talk) 10:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gatoclass: thanks. It doesn’t quite work because:

• the nebulous terms “security” and “justice” communicate almost nothing on their own
• The primary point of interest is why those two topics appear mutually exclusive in the Israeli-Palestinian context, since most of the world’s other neighboring adversaries are able to achieve an element of both
• Palestinian future human “rights” are undoubtedly more important than the past historical “justice”
• It needs a word like “commonly” or “often”, as neither are monoliths.

Two alternatives below:

• ALT4: ... that Palestinians commonly frame peace as conditional on justice, while Israelis commonly frame it as conditional on security without justice?
• ALT5: ... that Palestinians often frame peace as conditional on the re-establishment of their fundamental rights, while Israelis often frame it as conditional on their security at the expense of Palestinian rights?

Onceinawhile (talk) 14:16, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but both those hooks are violations of WP:DYKBLP in my view, which specifies that hooks must adopt "a neutral point of view." Since we can't seem to agree on a hook, I will take this to WT:DYK for wider input. Gatoclass (talk) 15:02, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gatoclass: What is your assessment of non-neutrality based on? If it is based on your instinct, you are not assessing it at all. Our neutrality policy says it "…means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant that have been on a topic." If you are unable to show that other viewpoints exist on this topic, then your gut instinct may well be wrong. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:58, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, firstly, I'm sure there used to be a DYK rule that said something along the lines of hooks relating to politically charged topics should not give the impression of favoring one side over another. There have been a lot of changes to the rules over the last few years and maybe somebody decided that NPOV was sufficient, I don't know. I might look into that when I can find the time.

Regardless, the hooks above imply that "peace without justice" or "peace at the expense of Palestinian rights" is the official, stated position of the Israeli state. I very much doubt that Israel has ever formally and publicly adopted such a position, because that would be very detrimental to their international image. Now, those positions may well be the effective position of the state, but that's not the same thing. So at the very least, the hooks would have to be modified to say something along the lines of " ... that reliable sources broadly agree that the effective position of the Israeli state is such-and-such", but then you are getting not only a very clunky hook, but also raising the problem of trying to demonstrate a rubbery opinion about what reliable sources broadly agree upon. To put it another way, facts on DYK have to be incontrovertible, not merely based on somebody's opinion of what reliable sources broadly have to say, because that is a can of worms that a project like DYK does not have the resources to verify. Gatoclass (talk) 00:11, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Is ALT1 from above not acceptable? Its wording could be tightened up but it seems unobjectionable. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 15:22, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • +1, the only hook that looks somewhat salvageable. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not terribly keen on ALT1, but it does pass the neutrality test. Gatoclass (talk) 15:44, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to ALT1.

But, for the record, the implications of Gatoclass and Airship’s comments regarding ALT2, ALT4 and ALT5 so far appear to be based on incorrect pre-conceptions. Even if we move ahead with ALT1, Gatoclass and Airship will benefit from a deep read of the sources, as these statements are wholly factual, even if they may be uncomfortable. Onceinawhile (talk) 23:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, it seems that Onceinawhile's comment appears to be based on the incorrect preconception that being "wholly factual" is the only criterion DYK must take into account. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:53, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• It seems like ALT1 is agreeable to all parties and I stated above when I did my initial review that it was interesting and sourced by sources. @Darth Stabro, AirshipJungleman29 and Gatoclass are there any other issues, or can we move on? If we can move on, would someone be willing to give this nomination a tick? TarnishedPath^talk 07:48, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Quite frankly, I think ALT1 sucks and I'd prefer not to see it run, so I am still hoping to persuade the nominator to accept ALT3, but he seems to have disappeared ATM. If he won't accept it though, I guess it will have to be ALT1. Gatoclass (talk) 09:12, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 at least makes people think. ALT3 is unacceptable because it implies "security" as defensive (usual for most societies), whereas the Israeli approach to security is offensive and requires the permanent oppression of another people. A similar case can be made for Palestinians and the word "justice", where their need for fundamental rights is clear but their approach to historical redress can be outside of the achievable window (see South Africa – with peace they got their rights but still lots of historical injustice unaddressed). The difference being that the potential for a wide interpretation of "justice" is obvious to most people.

It can be argued that the inability to understand what "security" means to Israelis is the primary reason that the conflict is so divisive today. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) In any case, having just tried to verify ALT1, it turns out that it misstates the source (which itself is remarkably badly written and obscure). So I think it's a strike.

Having said that, on reflection I can't see much wrong with ALT0, it's short, to the point, and I think sufficiently interesting, so I would consider that a viable alternative. Gatoclass (talk) 09:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with ALT0. I don’t see how ALT1 misstates the source – it literally quotes from it (see "layers of misunderstanding" in the quotation at the top of this thread).Onceinawhile (talk) 09:40, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well for one thing, the source says it "potentially" adds layers of misunderstanding, so the hook is inaccurate on that count. More importantly though, it isn't at all clear from the context that the writers are talking of layers of misunderstanding between Israelis and Palestinians specifically - they might mean it potentially adds layers of misunderstanding for the "international actors" it references. Additionally, it doesn't actually say the different concepts of peace are those advanced by either Israelis or Palestinians, it just talks about the concept of peace being like a box that "anyone" can fill as they please. So for my money the hook is an accuracy fail in multiple ways.

With regard to your comment above about ALT3 implying "security as defensive" and therefore somehow justified, that is a misreading of the hook, because it does not say the Israelis consider peace to be conditional on security, it says they frame it as conditional on security, which is a different thing altogether.

Regardless, since you still don't appear ready to accept ALT3, as I said I too am willing to accept ALT0. Gatoclass (talk) 10:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think you're being a tad bit semantic on ALT1, but if ALT0 is what we can agree on lets do it. There's no need to further debate the issue. TarnishedPath^talk 12:02, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

+1 to hook ALT0.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Selim Al Deen Muktamanch (pictured) is the first structure built in Indian Sub-continent in the architectural style of the Theatre of ancient Greece? Source: Source 1
  • ALT1: ... that ... that Selim Al Deen Muktamanch (pictured) is the first structure built in Bangladesh in the architectural style of the Theatre of ancient Greece? Source: Source 2 Translated in En
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Drag in France
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Elogio del Horizonte

~ Φαϊσάλ (talk) 21:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• @FaysaLBinDaruL: Per WP:DYKHOOK, given that both of your hook proposals are making a "first" claim, either the sourcing has to be exceptional, or the idea has to be dropped and a different angle needs to be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• @Narutolovehinata5: There is no doubt about the alternative hook that this is the first of its kind in Bangladesh. Can you please elaborate about exceptional source? Provided sources claim the hook's info properly. ~ Φαϊσάλ (talk) 12:06, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Narutolovehinata5: If the exceptional sources are not exceptional, I propose a merging with Template:Did you know nominations/Sraboner Meghgulo Joro Holo Akashe by the following hook to cover both articles. The info is in both articles as well:

ALT 3: ... that rain unexpectedly began to fall moments after the monsoon song began at same place, twice? Source: Source 1; Source 2

~ Φαϊσάλ (talk) 12:35, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The hook may need to be revised as it is hard to understand. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:42, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: "the song gained a legendary reputation after two remarkable performances at Jahangirnagar University’s Muktamanch, rain unexpectedly began to fall moments after song started. In 1991, just moments after the song began, rain unexpectedly began to fall. The phenomenon repeated itself in 1992 at the same venue during another performance of the song—further cementing its mythical connection to the monsoon." - This is the attractive/amazing info linked to the song and place. To keep the hook's length within 200 prose characters, and make it more interesting the hook is abbreviated as the ALT 3 one.

This is a common practice for DYK. For example, you may check Scenes in the Square. There is a Mr. Bean statue. Its is mentioned in article as well. For DYK the nominator make it more interestingly proposed the hooks as ".. that you can sit next to Mr. Bean (pictured) in Leicester Square?" without mentioning the name of article. Also many times two article is represented in one hook. ~ Φαϊσάλ (talk) 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:50, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the European Australian Movement has a stated aim of building "a physical and politicised white Australian community"? Source: https://www.bordermail.com.au/story/8570790/racist-letters-dropped-in-riverina-mailboxes-to-be-referred-to-police/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lions v Giants (2024 AFL Season)
  • Comment: I'm open to any suggestions for alternative hooks. Note: The source is paywalled, but can be found through the Wikipedia Library, on ProQuest at https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/racist-letter-drop-is-dangerous-beyond-belief-mp/docview/3014032304/se-2.

TarnishedPath^talk 09:50, 9 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - n
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - n
• Other problems: - Infobox contains uncited claims not mentioned in the body, and without citations. In particular: predecessors, formation, and some points in purpose.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - n
• Other problems: - A mere mission statement is not interesting. Even so, this claim seems rather ordinary for a Neo-Nazi organization. I believe more content should be added to this article so that more interesting information can be found.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I would recommend you first build up information about the organization's history, its beliefs, and its activities before adding claims to the infobox. Also, the image of the flag is most likely copyrighted in Australia, so it should be hosted locally on enwiki. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 13:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Howardcorn33 I've removed the flag and the predecessors stuff from the infobox. Does that resolve most of the points above aside from the subjective opinion that the hook is not interesting?TarnishedPath^talk 14:29, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TarnishedPath: "Anti-LGBT," "Antisemitism," "Ecofascism" should be discussed in the article body itself. The year of formation is also uncited. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 14:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Howardcorn33 fixed. Per the interesting part, I'd think that it is only uninteresting if you know who they are, which can be said of almost every hook. If there anything else which is uncited? TarnishedPath^talk 16:15, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TarnishedPath: Infobox and citations are OK. I suppose I can only speak for myself when saying if something is interesting, but the provided hook only describes a stated aim of a Western far-right organization which may well apply to dozens of far-right organizations around the world. I don't see anything exceptional about it. (Just to be clear, this is my 3rd time reviewing a DYK, so I'm not the most experienced to talk about this. If you disagree, then I would be OK with a second opinion.) ―Howard • 🌽³³ 16:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Howardcorn33, no worries, I'll take you up on your suggestion and request a second opinion. TarnishedPath^talk 16:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1 ... that European Australian Movement's leader,Thomas Sewell, was convicted of violent disorder after he attacked hikers? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20230802054833/https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/neo-nazi-leader-pleads-guilty-to-attack-on-hikers-20230801-p5dsxm.html https://web.archive.org/web/20240326023546/https://regionriverina.com.au/neo-nazi-letterbox-drop-in-wagga-calls-for-white-australian-recruits/56557/

TarnishedPath^talk 04:31, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT2 ... police investigated the European Australian Movement after it distributed letters with blood and honour printed on them? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-13/sa-police-investigating-right-wing-flyers-left-in-letter-boxes/101062966

TarnishedPath^talk 07:19, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Dr. James Edwin Thompson was a founding member of the American College of Surgeons and their first vice president in 1913?

• Reviewed:

Hi I'm Sailing427, but you can call me Sailing. Look at my profile. (talk) 19:12, 9 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I will take this review Dwkaminski (talk) 19:34, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Dwkaminski (talk) 19:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comments:
  • Early life and education section:
    • "During his studies, between 1886 and 1887, he was President of the Medical Students' Debating Society." needs a reference
  • Career section:
    • "Thompson became a member of the Royal College of Surgeons on the 23rd of July, 1886, followed by becoming a fellow on the 13th of June, 1889." needs a reference
    • Article states, "Beginning in 1891, Thompson served as the University of Texas Medical Branch's inaugural Chairman of Surgery, holding the position until 1917" but reference 1 says "In 1891 Thompson moved to the United States and became professor and first chairman of the Department of Surgery at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, remaining in that position until his death." Reference 3 says he took the position in 1891 and held it for 26 years - therefore 1917. Which is it? 1917 or 1927?
  • Earwing's copyvio detector shows 21.3% - violation unlikely. Most of score is proper nouns. Could be some slight re-writing but not significant.
  • Less than 5 DYK submission so no qpq required
  • @Sailing427alt: Please see my review comments above. I struggled with the hook if it was interesting enough. I landed on yes, but do you want to propose any alternatives? I see you resolved the 1917/1927 issue on the page. Could you add the other references and we should be good.
  • @Sailing427alt: Thank you for adding the requested references and proposing an ALT hook on my wikipedia home talk page. Next time you can add any conversation or alternatives right here on the review template page. Let's go forward with ALT0. Approved for ... that Dr. James Edwin Thompson was a founding member of the American College of Surgeons and their first vice president in 1913?
• This has been pulled per a WT:DYK discussion that raised concerns about the promoted hook's meeting DYKINT. A new hook is needed here. Courtesy pings to AirshipJungleman29 and RoySmith. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:05, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think something like "... that James Edwin Thompson was credited with bringing modern surgery to Texas" would work. Cited to https://texashistory.unt.edu/explore/collections/JAMES. RoySmith (talk) 01:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that rain unexpectedly began to fall moments after the monsoon song began at same place, twice? Source: Source 1; Source 2
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in Ivory Coast

~ Φαϊσάλ (talk) 14:17, 17 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I am marking this for closure as the nomination you linked was not actually reviewed by you. A valid QPQ needs to be a review that you made yourself and not just any nomination. Please read the instructions at WP:QPQ on how to do a QPQ. As DYK rules require a valid QPQ at the time of the nomination, and one was not provided, the nomination cannot proceed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:28, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• @Narutolovehinata5: a fresh QPQ has done. Please check. You may now restart the review please. ~ Φαϊσάλ (talk) 12:17, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Full review needed by new reviewed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:53, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Taylor Swift wrote and dedicated a song to Ethel Kennedy?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Doing Time (manga)

Ippantekina (talk) 04:56, 10 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - See below
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Ippantekina: Article is new enough (moved to mainspace on 6/4), long enough, and a QPQ has been done. My only concern is the hook - the article doesn't mention the song being "dedicated" to Ethel Kennedy, only that it was inspired by her romance with RFK. Does the WSJ source say that it was dedicated to her? The article is behind a paywall and I can't access it. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:59, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @CanonNi: hey there, thanks for the review. I've added sources that corroborate the hook in the article. Ippantekina (talk) 07:31, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• There we go. Alright, with the information added to the article, this DYK is good to go. Great work! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Given unresolved concerns about the promoted hook, I've returned this to Prep for further workshopping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:21, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1 ... Taylor Swift used the song "Starlight" in a commercial for her fragrance in 2013? TarnishedPath^talk 01:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it would be better to use the word "song" in the hook? The hook seems borderline interesting to me, so asking Launchballer if they could propose something else. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:11, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess the Ethel Kennedy hook failed? Ippantekina (talk) 04:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There were more editors supporting running the hook than opposing, but not overwhelming enough to meet consensus, so it was probably safer to just pull for workshopping than to keep it in Prep indefinitely. This does not mean that the Kennedy hook can't run (the opposition wasn't against the Kennedy angle entirely), but it would probably require rewriting to address the concerns raised. Are you open to a non-Ethel Kennedy hook then? I have a feeling that just because it's a Taylor Swift hook does not mean it automatically meets DYKINT: Tay-Tay hooks (and really music hooks in general) have underperformed in the past. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that when Lis Dunckel (pictured) replaced the previous bassist for Undefeated, she didn't know how to play bass?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Trichy assault rifle
  • Comment: Part of WikiProject Women in Red

3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 12:46, 13 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed: - All images used in the article have lacked permission for more than a week. They should be removed unless permission is received.
• Used in article:
• Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Interesting hook. Well-cited article, although I would personally mark out the primary sources using {{Primary sources references section}}. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 13:48, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@3family6: Forgot to ping. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 11:47, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Regarding the images, the band told me ,(via email) that they've sent in the forms, it's the Wikimedia volunteer side that hasn't responded. I'm not sure what the approach is in such situations.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 11:53, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest consulting c:Commons:Volunteer Response Team/Noticeboard ―Howard • 🌽³³ 12:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll leave a message there.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 20:37, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's currently in process. I reached out to the band again and Meredith is attempting to re-send the information.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 23:28, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Klaus König, who appeared as Wagner's Tannhäuser internationally, performed the tenor solo in Beethoven's Ninth Symphony conducted by Leonard Bernstein after the Fall of the Berlin Wall? Source: several
  • Reviewed: Audrey Hawthorn

Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 18 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• The article meets DYK requirements: it is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. It is free from close paraphrasing, and a QPQ has been done. The article appeared on Recent deaths so it remains DYK eligible.

There are, however, multiple issues with the hook as currently written. The first is that it is hard to understand: the mention of "after the Fall of the Berlin Wall" is vague. Is it referring to a performance during the actual destruction of the Berlin Wall, immediately after the wall's fall, or is it referring to a time period? Second, the hook is very complex: it is hard to see the point here. What is the relation between him performing Tannhäuser and performing the Ninth Symphony? One doesn't lead to another, and it is unclear what is even the main hook fact. Even the mention of Bernstein seems irrelevant to the hook, if the intention is to focus on König. The hook as written is not only hard to understand, but it is in dire need of a trimming.

The third, and perhaps the biggest issue, is hook interest. As currently written, the hook fails DYKINT: it is unlikely to be perceived as interesting to a non-specialist reader. The layperson reader would not find it interesting that an opera performer performed Tannhäuser or Beethoven's Ninth Symphony. This is what the regulars at WT:DYK would call a "boring" hook, and it would be very unlikely to survive scrutiny at WT:DYK. I have struck the hook due to these issues: please propose a new one (do not unstrike, as unstriking does not resolve any of the three concerns I have raised), and ideally a completely different direction. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:41, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We could split the hook in two only: DYK has only one sentence for him. We could end at that he was the tenor called to portray Tannhäuser at some of the greatest opera houses in the world. But then we'd miss that not only was he great in concert, but he took part in this truly legendary performance right after the border between the Germanies was opened (where for the first time the word "Freude" was replaced by "Freiheit" (Freedom}, which was done again in a Soladarity concert for Ukraine in Frankfurt in April 2022}. Some people may remember, and remember better when Bernstein is mentioned who stood for that. To say only that would leave him a concert singer while he was one of the few heldentenors in opera at the time, but of the Tannhäuser type, not the Siegfried type, - the roles are given to distinguish, like you wouldn't only say about a sports person that they played with balls, but say if tennis or baseball. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The issue here Gerda is that the context you are giving is simply not information that the average reader knows. The average reader is not going to know about how big of a deal Tannhäuser is, or what a heldentenor is. You are an expert on classical music and opera, but the average person will know almost nothing if not nothing about it. If anything, your explanation only further shows why the hook does not meet DYKINT. If you want something simple, maybe a hook about his background as a house painter and decorator would work. At the very least, it would require less knowledge from the average reader. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Given the lack of a suitable hook, I am marking this for closure. If you want the nomination to continue, instead of asking for a second opinion or reverting this edit, please propose a new hook instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:23, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) No. I don' want something simple. I want to get as close as what was special about this unique person as I can. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

4meter4: do you have an idea? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing hooky stands out. The article lacks a compelling biographical narrative and is a bit too WP:RESUME like at the moment. It's hard to come up with something hooky when all you have is a bunch of repertoire/venue lists and reviews that lack anything particularly striking. It's the personalization of content that makes a biography hook stand out, and at the moment the article doesn't really capture what makes Klaus König different from other operatic tenors of a similar stature. You don't get the sense of who he is as human being or what made him unique as a singer, although you can tell what kind of tenor he was if you know opera. But knowing someone's fach/repertoire isn't really all that interesting. The problem is honestly in the content. You'll need to dig around to find a fact that is compelling and add it to the article, because currently there is nothing there suitable for DYK.4meter4 (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that German operatic tenor Klaus König trained as a house painter and decorator before starting his music career? @4meter4: How does this sound? This seems to be the only thing in the article that seemed hooky to me. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:38, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather withdraw. He had attention when among the Recent deaths. The chance that DYK potentially offers is to say something defining about him. I wouldn't be surprised if that memorable concert to liberty was among his proudest moment, and doubt that the training as a housepainter was. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt No Gerda. Please read WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE. DYK's purpose is not to say something defining but something surprising or attention grabbing. The Symphony No. 9 concert was important and it is interesting but it takes more than a paragraph to really explain its significance. There's not really a way to distill what made that concert special into a single sentence. You have to remember that many readers who were not alive during the Cold War may not be familiar with the division of Berlin or the Berlin Wall, and Symphony No. 9 concert was unique because of it's deliberate bringing together of international artists from across political divides to perform instead of an "ode to joy" an "ode to freedom". The article itself doesn't really do a good job at contextualizing the concert and its significance either. Regardless, that fact isn't really about König but more about the concert. König was only one of hundreds of musicians who participated. The best biographical hooks are centered on the individual, and are about them. 4meter4 (talk) 15:52, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The readers not alive might learn a bit, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Narutolovehinata5 and Gerda Arendt I added a quote from one of the magazine sources which asserts importance which I think could work as a hook. See below.4meter4 (talk) 16:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Alt 2 ... that opera singer Klaus König has been described as "one of the most important tenors of his generation, especially in the heroic tenor repertoire"?

  ALT2 is acceptable. I'd like it better without the initial "opera singer", - we can't help that the quote is repetitious (tenor). It's also not clear how much authority the unnamed source has to declare such a thing. I believe that most readers knowing what a heroic tenor is will expect some Siegfried, not Tannhäuser (the by far more interesting character). But acceptable, thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt You have to remember that the majority of English speakers, particularly in the United States, are fairly ignorant about opera. Most have never been to an opera performance, and are not familiar with the terminology used in voice type/fach classification. Most readers won't know what a "heroic tenor" is and won't automatically associate the word "tenor" with an opera singer. Americans will think of school or church choirs and the tenor section when they hear the term. Opera literacy is not imbedded within the American consciousness as a whole and Wagnerian opera is staged for the most part only in New York, San Francisco, Chicago, and Houston. It rarely gets performed outside of those cities because the company's don't have the resources. Americans make up the largest percentage of readers and editors on the English wiki, so we do need to consider what is "specialized knowledge" in relation to the general public on the English wiki.4meter4 (talk) 21:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware of this. Only, If they know "tenor" from choir singing they know enough to understand the hook without "opera singer", and "heroic" invites to investigate further. Those who don't may not know "opera" either, or be not interested at that early point.

ALT3: ... that Klaus König made his debut at the Metropolitan Opera, as Erik in Wagner's Der fliegende Holländer, at age 59?

ALT4: ... that Klaus König portrayed Wagner's Tannhäuser in Dresden, for his American debut, and at the Teatro Massimo Bellini at age 60? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:27, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I don't think this is going anywhere, so I am approving only ALT2. ALT3 and ALT4 do not resolve 4meter4's concerns regarding readers' familiarity with opera roles; in fact, they are only doubling down on the issues he raised about how niche opera is among the general public. ALT2 is cited inline and verified in the source. It is admittedly not the most spectacular hook, but I can't approve ALT1 myself since I proposed it, so ALT2 it is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:29, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Those who don't may not know "opera" either, or be not interested at that early point. That is exactly what we are trying to avoid with DYK hooks. If a DYK hook is explicitly only targeted to those who may be interested in the hook, no matter how small that group is, that goes against DYKHOOKSTYLE/DYKINT. ALT3 and ALT4 are rejected. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:31, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you understood what I tried to say.

1. regarding ALT2: I can see people not interested in opera, who would not read ALT2 to the end because the term "opera singer" drives them away.
2. I wrote ALT3 especially for everybody: about a person with a stamina to make whatever debut at age 59, but find it only fair to say precisely what that debut was. Critic Tim Page found him "vital and credible" in the role (of a lover loosing his girl to someone more attractive), which could be added for extra quirkiness. I think to say exactly that he sang a supporting role at the Met at that age gives him a much more precise (not vague and exaggerated) position than any "has been described" stamp. What do you think, 4meter4? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:54, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think you understood what 4meter4 said about people's ignorance about opera. The hooks you proposed still require being at least knowledgeable about opera, which probably 90% of Wikipedia's readership are not. The average reader will not know who or what Erik, Der fliegende Holländer, Tannhäuser, or the Teatro Massimo Bellini are. That does not mean that we cannot have hooks about things readers are unfamiliar with, but it does mean that a hook has to be easily understood or appreciated by someone unfamiliar with the topic. The point has to be easy to get even if a reader does not know the names involved. A hook about the subject being important because he performed at the Teatro Massimo Bellini, a place that maybe over 95% Wikipedia readers have never heard of, let alone know the significance of, is exactly the kind of hook that DYKINT discourages. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:18, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Basically Gerda, a good rule of thumb is this: if a hook's interestingness requires the nominator explaining why the hook fact is interesting on the nomination page, then that hook does not meet DYKINT. You having to explain ALT4 here, instead of letting the hook speak for itself, shows exactly why it is not a suitable hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:09, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, if a hook says that someone made his debut at age 59, that is comprehensible for everybody, and even somewhat quirky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2a: ... that Klaus König has been described as "one of the most important tenors of his generation, especially in the heroic tenor repertoire"?

ALT3a: ... that Tim Page described the debut of Klaus König at age 59 as "vital" and "credible"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Normally I might be okay with ALT3a, but review quote hooks have done poorly in the past, so it might be better to move on from it. Gerda, I think you need to be more open to hook wordings that aren't specifically your own wordings, because in many cases, the wordings you propose are not the best option. You have to accept that, sometimes, reviewers and promoters will prefer wordings by other editors and not your own, and that's okay. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:40, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer ALT3a because 1) ALT2 is also a reviewer hook, 2) it's vague and exaggerated (as said before), 3) it's not credited to someone or an organization while Tim Page is a person with an article whom you can trust more, 4) it misses the quirkyness of vitality for a debut at age 59. Please try to look objectively at hooks, disregarding where they come from.

What do you think af ALT2a, in the name of "trim"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This has been a recurring thing of yours for years where you are hesitant to allow or accept hook wordings that you did not write yourself, even if the ideas came from other editors. It has to be specifically your wording, and if other editors reword or modify them, you object.

Anyway, ALT3a as written is unsuitable for multiple reasons: it is wrong (he did not debut as a performer at the age of 59, but rather as Erik). It does not even mention Erik; even if the hook was modified to an ALT3b that did mention Erik, unless a reader is familiar with the role (and to parallel what 4meter4 mentioned above, probably over 95% of our readers do not know Erik), it is not clear as to why it is a big deal that he debuted at such a role at that age. ALT2 may also be a reviewer hook, but at least it does not require the reader to be familiar with opera roles. ALT2a is not ideal because it is not clear in the hook that he is an opera singer: as 4meter4 said, even the word "tenor" is not limited to opera. Personally though, I still think that ALT1 is the best option given how it does not require any knowledge of opera to understand.

Gerda, your hooks have been questioned on interest grounds for years, so please follow the guidelines on interestingness and propose a hook that is accessible to a broad audience, or at least agree to a hook that does not require the deep expertise on opera that you have. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another suggestion: if you want to avoid another long discussion (this discussion is already longer than the article itself), a sensible option would be to agree to ALT2 and wait for a promoter to promote it. Once the article has its run on the main page, that's it. You already said earlier in the discussion that you were fine with ALT2, so if you can just agree to it instead of continuing to object and prolonging the discussion, then König will be featured on DYK sooner rather than later. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:23, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I said earlier in the discussion that ALT2 is acceptable, which is a lot because many are not. However, it is a vague and exaggerated claim, and said so at the same time. ALT3a doesn't claim it was his debut as performer, and it wasn't as Erik (that was much earlier) but at the Met, but aren't we requested to not tell it all? Can't readers find out which debut, raising curiosity? He made some debut at 59 and was regarded as vital, that's much funnier than the general praise that says about nothing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think alt3a is misleading. The term debut is usually interpreted to mean the first professional performance by an artist in their career. It could end up at WP:ERRORS. I'm scratching it. A "house debut" is qualified through context, and a hook doesn't have space to do that. 4meter4 (talk) 17:21, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Narutolovehinata5 I suggest leaving it up to the promoter to choose between ALT2 and ALT2a. They both have the same fact and are clearly verified. It's now just a matter of WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE preference, and we can trust the promoter to make a good decision.4meter4 (talk) 17:27, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support anything that would just bring this to promotion. @4meter4: Is ALT1 really not a suitable alternative to ALT2/ALT2a? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:47, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

no - I don't see how saying someone trained as a housepainter is interesting at all. If it was astronaut, or philosopher. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I find ALT1 really good at generating interest, and while I might not be on the same side as Narutolovehinata5 all the time, I really like their hook. Viriditas (talk) 21:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt:, can you either give your approval for ALT1 to run, or withdraw the nomination. Thanks, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I said it before: I'd rather withdraw than run ALT1. Can someone please tell me how anybody would be interested in a person who trained as a housepainter? I'd accept ALT2, or better shorter ALT2a. We talk about a person who recently died. To say no word about what made him one of the greatest, but spend characters on something he left behind early in life, seems not to do justice to him, sorry. His article had c. 5k views while on the Main page (sadly not for long). You can help him to a few more by accepting ALT2. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Note: I don't find ALT2 or ALT2 interesting; as DYK slots are currently under high demand, I won't be promoting them. Other promoters may disagree. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:42, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please tell me what you find interesting in ALT1, because I can't understand. Viriditas, AJ, N.? And perhaps also why you'd find it more interesting than a "vital" house debut at age 59?

ALT3b: ... that when Klaus König made his house debut at the Metropolitan Opera at age 59, Tim Page described it as "vital" and "credible"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because it is a wonderful story. A blue collar house decorator who took evening classes when already thirty years old, and fifteen years after that became an internationally renowned performer for twenty years, while still maintaining his decorating business (not that you'd know that last bit from the article—of course he couldn't have been "proud" of something like that). As for "vital" and "credible", so meaningless I've removed it from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:45, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If I were writing this nomination, it would be something like ALT4: ... that Klaus König, who worked as a painter for over thirty years, played lead operatic roles at major venues in Vienna, London, Milan, Paris, and New York? (Paris not in the article but easily added.) ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:56, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, thank you, but a long list of capital cities is too much quantity for my taste, and painter might be misunderstood as another Van Gogh. Better something specific perhaps?

ALT4a: ... that tenor Klaus König, who worked as a house painter for over thirty years, made his house debut at the Metropolitan Opera [in New York City] at age 59?

ALT4b: ... that Klaus König, who worked as a house painter for over thirty years, made his debut at the Royal Opera House [in London] as Wagner's Tannhäuser in 1984.

Others possible. I'd prefer ALT4b because it's a lead role, an interesting complex character, and Royal sounds good to some. By naming the role, you not only define the voice type (tenors can be so different) but also get access to an interesting story, and there's no requirement to know any of it before if reader is curious enough to explore. Will get the duration of his shop (he was the boss, - not sure that he did much painting in the 30th year) to the article. I am aware that - having to deal with Alfred Brendel (a giant) and Gorai (emotionally tough) - I neglected him a bit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Made his debut" will typically be interpreted as "gave his first performance overall, not just at one place"; if that is what "made his house debut" is intended to address, no-one will get that. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:18, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT4c: ... that Klaus König, who worked as a house painter for over thirty years, first appeared at the Royal Opera House [in London] as Wagner's Tannhäuser in 1984.

The sources, though, use "made his debut at ...". - I found this with a lot of detail, but a blog (however educated). They cite a 1994 magazine entry that I can't find online. It could be referenced offline. What do you think. The business seems to have been Lackiererei, for cars. Not my vocabulary. Deepl suggests "car paint shop". ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: Rather than listing a list of opera houses or places he performed, why not just simplify it and say that he was also an opera performer for several years? I do not think that any specific mentions of particular opera houses, places, or roles are necessary: just say that he was an opera performer, as I think that being an opera performer and a house decorator at the same time is already eye-catching as it is. Of course, this would require the part about him working both as an opera performer and as a house painter at the same time being at the article. I'm sorry, but I see ALT4a/b/c as too technical or specialist, and I agree that the original ALT4 is too complicated. The thing is: the interesting part here is that he was also a house decorator, so that has to be the focus of the hook and not whatever role he played or where he performed. We just need a simplified version of ALT4 based on above suggestion. For now, I've struck all of the current proposals as none of them seem to be viable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:21, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Narutolovehinata5 was the rambling monologue intended to go anywhere, or just be unhelpful? After all, with how much you hound them, you should probably be added as a co-nominator on all of Gerda's nominations. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 06:53, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry if the above seemed like rambling. I actually liked ALT4's direction (i.e. the mentioning of both the house painter and his opera career), it's just thatt the wordings proposed were perhaps a bit too complex. The point was that the best option was probably just to say that he was both a house decorator and an opera performer, without mentioning specific roles or venues. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:46, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, but no, it isn't. Opera careers are different, and singing a top role (and which) at a top house (and which) is precise facts that illustrate the kind of this specific career and the voice. We could go further and add La Scala and the Paris Opera with the same role and the same year, and that's outstanding and not just "an opera career". How about you leave this nom at this point, or rather before striking what others may like? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that following the release of Universal Studios Florida's Diagon Alley, The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon was temporarily moved to Universal Studios Florida alongside Pitbull and Jennifer Lopez?

• ALT1: ... that the Hogwarts Express in The Wizarding World of Harry Potter takes people between Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade? Source: ^[2]
• ALT2: ... that Gandy Street in Exeter, The Shambles in York, and Victoria Street in Edinburgh were all originally thought to be the inspiration for Diagon Alley? Source: ^[3]
• Reviewed:

Mikeycdiamond (talk) 04:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• General eligibility:
• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ALT1 doesn't seem to be the most appropriate for this article, as it implies the Hogwarts Express article is the main subject, and Diagon Alley is merely a footnote. I think a hook that's much more relevant to the article can be found. ALT0, the source doesn't mention a temporary move, and also doesn't specify a correlation between Diagon Alley and Fallon. Unfortunately, ALT2 also fails due to WP:FORBESCON; Forbes contributor articles are considered unreliable. Here are some alt hooks:

• ALT3: ...that Diagon Alley has been turned into a Christmas display and a pop-up airport attraction? https://www.todayonline.com/8days/seeanddo/thingstodo/muggle-money-cant-get-you-harry-potters-diagon-alley-changi-airports , https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/diagon-alley-atx-magic-continues-as-37th-street-lights-to-host-beloved-holiday-display
• ALT4: ...that the real-world Diagon Alley in Universal Studios Florida was built on the former site of a Jaws attraction? https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/hogwarts-express-gets-ready-roll-universal-studios-florida-n14686

@Mikeycdiamond: let me know which one you like better! jolielover♥talk 13:29, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jolielover: While the following quote implies he moved the show: "Jimmy Fallon took a road trip to Orlando, bringing 'The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon' and guest stars like Pitbull and Jennifer Lopez to the Sunshine State. Fallon continues to tape episodes from Universal this week.", I can understand how it could be seen as a stretch/OR to connect the two events. I think alt4 is the most interesting, thanks! P.S, if this is formatted wrong, sorry, I am not used to using wikimarkup for comments. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 22:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks, approving ALT4 jolielover♥talk 05:32, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jolielover no-one is allowed to review their own hooks. New reviewer required. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:31, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Perdiccas, regent of Alexander the Great's empire after Alexander's death, was proposed as king to great support but hesitated to accept the role?

• Reviewed:

Harren the Red (talk) 02:01, 15 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• article recently promoted to Good Article. NO QPQ needed. Hook is interesting and cited inline. Citation verified using Google Books preview. No copyvio detected. Image is properly licensed and works at small size. Nihil obstat. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 15:31, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Harren the Red, it seems that more interesting hooks could perhaps be proposed. I find the line about Perdiccas taunting assassins into running away quite funny, for example. Great article! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:03, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • AirshipJungleman29, thank you for the feedback! I guess I chose the king moment because I think it's interesting for a lay reader. "This guy could have succeeded Alexander... but didn't? Why?" But you're right, the assassin moment is quite funny. If a few other people also think it's a better DYK than the king one, I am very willing to rewrite this. Thanks again! Harren the Red (talk) 08:41, 27 June 2025
• Suggested ALT1: ... that when Perdiccas, the successor of Alexander the Great, encountered assassins sent to kill him, he taunted and terrified them into running away? Review needed for that hook. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:36, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that though Italian reserve football teams had first been created in 1904, they were inactive between 1976 and 2018, when Juventus U23 foundation revived the project?

• ALT1: ... that Italian football clubs could even have a third reserve team in early 20th century? Source: Sources 2-5
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dungka!
• Comment: Will do the QPQ later

Wikipediæ philosophia (talk) 21:34, 14 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

•  Done I will review this nomination later today. NeoGaze (talk) 15:36, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - ?
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - ?

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - ?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article was created on June 12, and was nominated for DYK on June 14, which is in the seven-day period. It is long enough with 4001 characters (687 words ) of readable prose size. No image is used and the QPQ requirement has already been fullfilled. Down below I list the issues I found with this nomination:

• The copyvious tool has detected a case of copypasted text, which is the following: was admitted to Serie C on 27 June 2024 to fill a vacancy created by Ancona's exclusion. In their debut season, Milan Futuro were immediately relegated to the Serie D. They placed 18th in the regular season, and they lost to SPAL (2–1 on aggregate) in the relegation play–offs. You should rewrite this part in your own words and without abusing close paraphrasing.
• There is a short citation (Gravina & Brunelli 2020) that is incomplete.
• The current Reserve Teams section has no sources.
• The original hook isn't particularly interesting or intriguing. ALT1 is more interesting, so I propose going with it once the aforementioned issues are dealt with.

@Wikipediæ philosophia: Best wishes! NeoGaze (talk) 22:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NeoGaze:, I can’t do the edits right now ‘cause I’m on vacation. I’ll do that on 18 July (more or less). 02:29, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Enjoy your vacation. NeoGaze (talk) 16:57, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the murder of Luigia Borrelli is known as the "drill crime"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Space Invaders (Atari 2600 video game)
• Comment: High profile case in Italy

Moondragon21 (talk) 05:50, 12 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Dull hook. A lot of murder investigations have been reopened after long periods of time (see Murder of Sherri Rasmussen, for instance). Daniel Case (talk) 04:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Daniel Case How about..... that the murder of Luigia Borrelli is known as the "drill crime"? Moondragon21 (talk) 09:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Better. Just provide a source when you make it ALT1. Daniel Case (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case: Done. Moondragon21 (talk) 05:22, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I meant here in the nomination, actually, but I checked it in the article and it's fine. I'd put it in the lede where you first mention it. Daniel Case (talk) 04:31, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case: Now it's in the lede. Is everything alright now? Moondragon21 (talk) 02:59, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I meant in the article lede, right after that term in Italian is mentioned. Daniel Case (talk) 02:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case: I think it is already. Moondragon21 (talk) 03:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not. First sentence: "The murder of Luigia Borrelli, known in Italy as delitto del trapano" Right after that is where it should go. Daniel Case (talk) 03:52, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case: I am confused. What should the sentence be word-for-word? Moondragon21 (talk) 08:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I took care of it. Daniel Case (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel Case: thanks. How is the DYK looking now? Moondragon21 (talk) 17:12, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Better in this department, but given the degree to which I have been involved already I think it better if someone else does the full review Daniel Case (talk) 18:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Thanks for the advice on the hook. Moondragon21 (talk) 11:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moondragon21 your provided QPQ Template:Did you know nominations/1910 Italy v France football match is a tick-box review which did not pick up on easily-identifiable issues, and is therefore not a "full review" per WP:QPQ. I request that you review another nomination, and do so properly this time. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

apologies I reviewed that DYK before the article underwent major changes and was tagged for copyedit. AirshipJungleman29 a new QPQ is now provided. Moondragon21 (talk) 15:22, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a shack in Anaheim, California, that holds 89 people has hosted concerts by Blink-182, The Offspring, and Sublime?

• Reviewed:

Sewageboy (talk) 05:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• @Sewageboy: The article is well cited, passes Earwig, is new enough, and has no other obvious issues. The hook is well structured, but the citation does not mention Blink-182. The Offspring, Sublime, The Adolescents, Tartar Control, Yeastie Boys and The Ziggens are mentioned, however. I think mentioning The Adolescents is best since it has an article on Wikipedia. You can pick which ones you want cited in the hook and propose an alt hook, such as:
  • ALT1 ... that the a shack in Anaheim, California, that holds 89 people has hosted concerts by The Offspring, Sublime, and Adolescents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GGOTCC (talk • contribs) 17:18, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Adding another ping to Sewageboy since they would not have seen the previous ping: pings only succeed when the comment includes a sig. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:29, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Indonesia's current state apparatus minister, Rini Widyantini, once took care of one of her predecessors' child? Source: "In September 1970, our first child was born, and we named him Rezal Ashari... When the two of us returned to campus, we left Rezal in the charge of the Nadisah family, who very kindly agreed to babysit him. Pak Nadisah’s youngest daughter, Rini Widyantini, was the most involved in taking care of Rezal." Kusumaatmadja, Sarwono (2020). Steering a middle course: from activist to Secretary General of Golkar. ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute. Singapore: ISEAS. pp. 100. ISBN 978-981-4881-65-4.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aceh–North Sumatra islands dispute

Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 03:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Hey, Jeromi Mikhael. The article is more than long enough and counts as new. The 2020 book by Kusumaatmadja does not, as far as I can see, mention Widyantini on the cited pages 118–120. It mentions her only on page 100, and there it does not say anything about her date of birth or place of birth. Could you please double check and ensure that everything in the article is sourced and that the cited sources cover the information they are supposed to cover? I also wonder whether a more interesting hook could be produced from the article. One might even wonder whether focusing on a woman minister acting as a nanny for her male predecessor is a sensitive choice of hook. Surtsicna (talk) 08:35, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that when long-forgotten artist Eva Leigh was rediscovered by Mercer Art Gallery staff, they were "entranced" by her work?

• ALT1: ... that, unlike traditional cut-paper silhouette artists, Eva Leigh created her own style of silhouette portraits, making meticulous drawings in India ink?

• • Reviewed: Skraban–Deardorff syndrome
  • Comment: The expansion is already new enough and long enough, and mostly complete, but I'm still improving it (nominating now, to avoid deadline issues). I'll post here, when it's ready for review. Thank you for your patience. Update: the article is now ready for review.

Storye book (talk) 08:50, 20 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I notice the work that has been put into this, but this person does not meet WP:ARTIST, and this is not WP:DYKINT. The majority of sources for this person are from Ancestry.com. Aneirinn (talk) 00:20, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I dispute the above summary dismissal. With respect to WP:ARTIST:

a. The artist has been mentioned by newspapers, the Mercer Art Gallery, online sources, and a booklet by Dr Fiona Young.

b. The artist created a new and significant technique of creating portrait silhouettes.

c. The artist created a body of work which has been described by the above sources.

d. The artist's work was shown in an exhibition at a respected gallery, and the exhibition was under her own name (I.e. it was all her own work).

e. The artist's work is in two collections: one owned by the Mercer Art Gallery, and the other in the collection of Herbert Bannister Whone, who himself deserves a biography. That collection is currently being retained by his family.

With respect to Ancestry:

f. That is not about genealogy. Ancestry is one way of accessing authoritative government and public institution documents. They could equally well be accessed at public archives, libraries, etc. but Ancestry allows us to provide links, so that the documents can also be checked by those millions of readers who have subscriptions to Ancestry. If one makes statements about an individual, then those statements have to be proved. What better way of proving something than by a verifiable government document? All the Ancestry material is verifiable and above-board. Also, in biographies it is always helpful to an understanding of where the subject's achievement came from (or whether the subject achieved things against the odds) by describing their family background etc. That may not always be the case in modern America where family history and background may not always count, but it is certainly always the case in historical biographies of British people, where class, education, money etc. historically made all the difference. Storye book (talk) 08:03, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They would pass 4b as they were the subject of the Mercer Art Gallery exhibition. The article needs more reliable sources that mention the subject. The mention of her great grandfather is not necessary. It does not seem like there are any sources that mention her descent from her great grandfather and it seems as if it is original research. Aneirinn (talk) 04:20, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing wrong with the sources.

• We have newspapers, a book and a gallery as sources.
• Also your WP:ARTIST link says that only one of the requirements has to be met, whereas the article meets all or part of each requirement.
• We are asked to produce more articles about women because historically they have been ignored or forgotten. Being ignored or forgotten means that they will have fewer sources than the traditionally lionised old white men.

Please get real about this. Rules exist primarily on WP to prevent editors from breaking the law. No law has been broken in this article. WP rules exist secondarily to ensure that inappropriate material and lies are not represented here. It is clear that there is no inappropriateness or lying in this article, and those secondary rules about decency should be used with common sense. Storye book (talk) 08:34, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above issues are now resolved. The article as it stands today breaks no rules. New reviewer required. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 14:10, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why does it cite books that do not mention Leigh? The books by Sixten Ringbom, Carel Blotkamp, and Luciano Chessa do not mention Leigh once. Aneirinn (talk) 15:05, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no WP rule that says that every citation has to mention the subject of a biography. Sometimes we need to place a biography subject in their background situation. Leigh was an artist and serious theosophist (not a dabbler), in the context of a world and a time where some very influential and articulate artists were theosophists. Please stop just looking for trouble, and leave us to do something positive for WP with this nomination. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 17:03, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just so that there is no misunderstanding, this nomination still needs a reviewer. Storye book (talk) 17:03, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Let me just talk a bit about what concerns me, and this is not a review. We have a lot of primary sources for her family information, some texts that do not mention the subject, and a couple of local articles on the art exhibition. While Ancestry can be problematic for user-generated content, it is not the problem here: it is simply a vehicle to access the primary sources. The article feels cobbled together, grasping at straws without building enough of a notability case. I sympathize with the systemic bias issue, but it can't excuse a lack of solid sourcing. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 02:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• What is Young 2024? You are citing it as a kind of exhibition catalog but it isn’t clear. When a source isn’t clear, you need to tell the reader what it is. I can’t make heads or tails of it. For what it is worth, not every article should go through DYK or is ready for it. Viriditas (talk) 04:59, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Chennai Super Kings finished in last place of the Indian Premier League for the first time in the 2025 season? Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/ipl/chennai-super-kings-finish-bottom-points-table-records-gujarat-10028186/
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: This is an interesting fact as Chennai Super Kings are the joint-most successful team with 5 title wins.

Vestrian24Bio 16:05, 17 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• This is a comment and not a review: I have mixed feelings about this hook. On the one hand, the hook is borderline specialist since it requires knowledge that the Super Kings are usually good. On the other hand, the IPL is a huge deal in India, a country of over 1 billion people. This is a weird case in that I'm not actually sure if the hook as currently written is interesting to a broad audience, as whether or not it does depends on how you define "broad". On the one hand, cricket is really only popular in a relatively small number of countries, so outside of those countries the hook may not be as interesting. On the other hand, three of the countries where cricket is big (India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh) are very populous, so in theory the number of people this hook attracts is very large. It's a question of how wide the hook's interest is versus how deep. I don't swing either way (although I'd be leaning more towards it being interesting), so it would be good to ask for a second opinion here, ideally from a non-cricket fan. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Some extra hooks, which are hopefully more interesting (link placement may need some adjusting):
  • ALT1 ... that the 2025 Chennai Super Kings season was their worst ever Indian Premier League result?
  • ALT2 ... that the Chennai Super Kings were the first team eliminated from the 2025 Indian Premier League?
  • ALT3 ... that the most successful team in the Indian Premier League finished last in 2025?

The last one requires a source from the team's main article as well. It cites [5], which should do. Toadspike [Talk] 12:00, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think ALT3 would be the best option here, although of course the article would need adjustment. @Vestrian24Bio: Thoughts on the above proposals? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:49, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 and Toadspike: I support ALT3 as well and also made the necessary changes to the article now. Vestrian24Bio 13:42, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Full review needed now that new hooks have been proposed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:37, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a fundraiser begun by Presbyterian College president John V. Griffith was chaired by Bob Staton, a future president of the school? Source: "Griffith led the PC community in a year-long strategic planning initiative that resulted in a bold and innovative plan that guides the college through the first decade of the 21st century as it seeks to strengthen its position as one of the leading liberal arts colleges in the Southeast. The priorities of this plan have been translated into the $160 million Promise and Challenge Campaign.", Staton also served as chair of the College’s Promise and Challenge capital campaign.
  • ALT1: ... that a fundraiser begun by Presbyterian College president John V. Griffith was chaired by a future president of the school? Source: same as ALT0
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hungary v El Salvador (1982 FIFA World Cup)

PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 22:00, 22 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• This looks good to me, it checks off all the criteria as far as I can tell. Nice job! MallardTV ^{Talk to me!} 22:47, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Note: @PCN02WPS: I find both these hooks extremely dull; I won't be promoting either. Other promoters may disagree. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:32, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Pinging reviewer (MallardTV) and promoter (AirshipJungleman29) for more alternates:

ALT2: ... that Presbyterian College moved to NCAA Division I during the presidency of John V. Griffith? Source: [6]

ALT3: ... that under president John V. Griffith, Presbyterian College established a Confucius Institute following a partnership with Guizhou University? Source: [7]

Hopefully those are better options than what's above. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:59, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @PCN02WPS: Can you find better sources for those two hooks? I think they're interesting enough, but source 1 only supports that they were nearing entry into NCAA Division I, and source 2 (I had to access through internet archive because it inexplicably became a 404 about a week ago) supports both, but isn't an independent source, and I think it would benefit to support the hooks with an independent source. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 16:45, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Given how long this process took (see 2012 announcement here), I am going to throw this out there as a possible amendment:

ALT2a: ... that Presbyterian College began a move to NCAA Division I during the presidency of John V. Griffith?

Using the same source as ALT3, would this work? PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:01, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Apolonia Dorregaray Veli specialised in a Peruvian art form that dates back over 4,000 years?

• Reviewed: Edwardsville Amazon warehouse collapse
• Comment:

MumphingSquirrel (talk) 13:28, 27 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I am afraid I have some problems with the sources, MumphingSquirrel. References #1 and #4 are blogs. References #2, #5, #9, #10, #11 and #12 are offline sources the existence of which I cannot verify online. #6 looks splendid–but does not mention the subject of the article. #7 is again a blog but the article published there is purported to have been first published by the Instituto Nacional de Cultura of the Museo Nacional de la Cultura Peruana, and I was able to find a reference to this article on a credible website. Reference #8 is the aforementioned credible website. Reference #9 is another credible website that mentions the subject. The source cited for the hook does not, as far as I can tell, verify the hook; I do not see the age of the art form mentioned anywhere, and the source is cited in the article is another source, the aforementioned #5. Is it possible to swap the blogs for more reliable sources? And is it possible to cite an accessible source that verifies the hook? Surtsicna (talk) 17:43, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Surtsicna, thanks for the feedback. I'm unexpectedly away from home with a family thing of unspecified timescale, so will struggle to look at this properly for at least a week or so. Will pick it up when I'm back home. MumphingSquirrel (talk) 21:18, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the first Algerian Olympian previously competed for France at the Olympics?

• ALT1: ... that Mohamed Lazhari was the first Algerian Olympian? Source: [9]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Red Fićo

Arconning (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• article is new enough and long enough. Hook is short enough and within policy. QPQ is done. I don't see where the source says he competed for France tho? It sort of talks about it, but makes the assumption that the reader knows Algeria gained independence from France. Granted, this is using Google translate. Can you help me out with the sourcing? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:33, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gonzo_fan2007 Here's a more accessible source. [10] Arconning (talk) 07:30, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • . « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:39, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, how watertight is the claim that he was the first Algerian Olympian? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:15, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Narutolovehinata5 [11] Here's another source stating that the nation had competed for the first time at the 1964 Summer Games. Olympedia is currently owned by the International Olympic Committee and is managed by select Olympic historians. Arconning (talk) 06:31, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't directly say that he was their first Olympian. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:53, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here's some more sources. [12][13] Arconning (talk) 08:54, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Arconning: After reviewing some of the sources, I think it would be easier to find a different hook. In fact, after reading the article, I think the fact he got awarded the the Order of the Rising Sun is arguably more interesting. Maybe you can create a hook out of that with a few sources? SonOfYoutubers (talk) 17:14, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Arthur Newnham was born in India, played first-class cricket in England, and served as a military attaché in Moscow?

• • Reviewed:
  • Comment: Think this is OK. If the sourcing for serving as a military attache is not OK, we have two Indian newspapers which say he was with the Bombay Staff Corps in Moscow when he was married so an alternative ending along the lines of ...and was married in Moscow might be possible

Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:44, 22 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Blue Square Thing, I am rather concerned that I get nothing about this man when I search for him on Google Books. See the results for "Arthur Newnham" "cricket" and "Arthur Newnham" "moscow". It leads me to wonder whether the subject is notable. Are our only sources marriage registers and obituaries? Surtsicna (talk) 10:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are 14 sources in the article, with the clear indication there are more in printed media that hasn't been digitised. My experience with articles such as this suggests notability is OK with this, but, to be honest, I only submitted this because it was the last article in a list that was being set up to be sent to draft space. I'm perfectly find with it failing DYK if you don't feel that having a book reference makes it dubious. You'd probably need to look in Indian sources fwiw – that's where he seems to have spent most of his working life. After retirement I'm 99% certain he was living in the south of France, but, presumably, returned to the UK at some point, perhaps in 1939. Anyway, I'd sort of forgotten about this, so whatever Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A lack of Google Books coverage doesn't equate to non-notability: probably most subjects I write about for DYK aren't written about much in books. If you think the article is non-notable then take it to AFD and place the nomination on hold (though I'll say that the subject looks notable to me); otherwise I don't see anything that should stop this nom. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:56, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I asked whether there were sources beyond the obituaries and marriage registers, BeanieFan11. Do they seem sufficient to you to establish notability? Surtsicna (talk) 08:06, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the character of Death had already been cast for the Marvel Cinematic Universe when a culture website suggested she would never make an appearance?
  • ALT1: ... that Death in the Marvel Cinematic Universe has created Infinity Stones and flowers?
  • ALT2: ... that Death was described as a witch on a motorcycle?
  • ALT3: ... that Death can speak Spanish?
  • ALT4: ... that Aubrey Plaza spent months learning to play the drums before playing Death?
  • ALT5: ... that the design of Death in the Marvel Cinematic Universe was inspired by Christian religious imagery?
  • ALT6: ... that the cloak worn by Death in the Marvel Cinematic Universe was made by adapting the sewing pattern of a Paul Poiret coat (example pictured)?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Kalyani
  • Comment: Two hooks about the creation of the character - can probably come up with more 'serious' ones - and some more quirky hooks. Use whatever's needed in a set, and feel free to suggest more. (QPQ may appear used: there were three articles reviewed at that nom and this should be 3/3.) If we're still doing special occasion hooks, the show's one year anniversary would be September 18.

Kingsif (talk) 03:56, 18 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a full review, but ALT1, ALT2, and ALT3 probably don't work with DYKFICTION. BuySomeApples (talk) 03:21, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Why alt2? The character being externally described, not a line from the show. Kingsif (talk) 09:46, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I missed that, sorry! BuySomeApples (talk) 21:54, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BuySomeApples: Having crossed off alts 1 and 3, I've added 5 and 6 in their place, including an optional image hook (something a bit different to portraits and buildings, which it's always nice to feature). Kingsif (talk) 23:57, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work! I agree about the pic. BuySomeApples (talk) 19:52, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the supreme state organs of power of communist states heads the unified state apparatus and holds unlimited state power unless constrained by itself?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1793 French legislative election in Saint-Domingue

TheUzbek (talk) 10:14, 26 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• @TheUzbek: Not a full review, but you may want to consider rewording the hook. I cannot parse "holds unlimited state power bar the limits it sets on itself through constitutions and laws." ―Howard • 🌽³³ 12:46, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Howardcorn33: Better? TheUzbek (talk) 06:17, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah, looks better. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 08:05, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Commission on Elections chairman George Garcia personally voted on the 2023 Cavite's 7th congressional district special election which he oversaw?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bob Wicks
• Comment: Will complete QPQ within the weekend. What's novel here is while election commission officials vote all the time in general elections, and while there are several special/by-elections, it's not often that a special/by-election happens on the district where an electoral commission is a voter on.

Howard the Duck (talk) 11:54, 20 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I'm honestly not a fan of hooks that require the nominator to explain its importance or interestingness in the nomination. DYKINT suggests that hooks need to be interesting to non-specialist audiences, meaning the hook should be more-or-less self-evident without requiring too much knowledge. Do you have any other suggestions? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:46, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I mean special/by-elections rather important in many places, and for someone who administers elections to personally vote on one must be rare.

  Other facts are that he counseled for politicians before becoming involved with the Commission on Elections but I thought that's boring. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It still feels like specialist information at best. It's probably better to just go in a different direction, if possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:53, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

By-elections are standard fare in English speaking countries. This is not specialist at all. Such elections are standard fare on WP:DYK.

Also some other facts are unsavory and may not pass WP:BLP more so on the Main Page. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:02, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that American football player Matt Koart, considered small for his position, added over 40 pounds (18 kg) in college by "stuff[ing] myself so bad"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mule (wanderer)
• Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:00, 27 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: INO, I don't think the quote works here. Why not paraphrase? Also, it's far more interesting to say that he had to force himself to eat to gain weight for the position of a defensive tackle by eating 2000 calories...after he ate his regular meal? Viriditas (talk) 09:19, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Ozzy Osbourne dislocated the arm of Black Sabbath's manager Wilf Pine on a vibrating bed?

Reviewed:

Comment:

Ericoides (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: The overly long-ish paragraphs are fine for older people like myself who grew up with that style and have no problem with it, but apparently people under the age of 30 are adverse to it and prefer paragraphs half the size you are using due to their unique readability preferences attributed to social media. Something to consider if you want to increase younger readership of your article. I've been told by several people that they refuse to read articles like this, which I find strange and unusual, but every generation has their idiosyncrasies. Viriditas (talk) 09:33, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for fixing. Preparing review now. Might take me an hour or so because I'm in the middle of other things. Viriditas (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Hello, friend. It looks like you forgot to add citations in eight separate instances. Given your style, I think you assumed the reader knew that the material was sourced later, but current house style is to have the citations at the end of the sentence or the paragraph. I was able to fix one instance because it looked like you moved the citation to support the hook, so I doubled it up after that one example. But the other eight need you to do the same. Everything else checks out. For a list of the eight instances, citations should appear after the following words, usually at the end of a paragraph supporting the material that comes before it, but you can do it any way you want: 1) "...the role of booking acts and general management."; 2) "...and finally Procol Harum to play over the following weeks."; 3) "...along with members of The Herd and The Mindbenders."; 4) "...Pine decided to accept the offer and leave the Arden organisation."; 5) "...the next groups he signed for Meehan being the Edgar Broughton Band and Stray."; 6) "...But when Hemdale removed their public listing from the stock market, the deal fell through."; 7) "...Alfonse Sisca and Arnold Squitieri from the Gambino crime family."; 8) "...Pine is buried in Milford Road Cemetery, New Milton." I assume that all you have to do is duplicate the citations already in use. Also, don't forget, you need to double up the citation when you refer to a quote. The citation style has become more strict over the years. Add those in and I will pass. Addendum: While I think ALT0 is fine, you're going to run into opposition from others because you are playing around with the ambiguity to make it interesting. As the source shows, Ozzy didn't really dislocate Pine's arm, the vibrating bed did; all Ozzy did was add an excessive amount of quarters to the machine, which likely did cause his arm to become dislocated, legendary story or not. I don't have a problem with your wording, and I think it's fine, but having seen how this kind of thing plays out, you're going to get people who argue that it isn't an accurate hook. With that said, try to come up with some alternate hooks for ALT0 that preserve the meaning and intent but also stay true to the source. Update: Sourcing added, so passing ALT0 and ALT1 for now. Continuing discussion about more hooks below. Viriditas (talk) 22:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Viritas, thanks very much for the advice and for checking and improving this submission. I've done what you asked. Please do let me know if there's anything more that needs to be done. I've added a wikilink for the bed: Magic Fingers Vibrating Bed. The brand isn't specified in Geezer's book but it was the only one available in the early 1970s, so I think we can add the interesting link. If not, it can easily be amended to vibrating bed, per the original. Ericoides (talk) 13:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's an interesting question. We agree that it is highly likely that a vibrating bed refers to a Magic Fingers Vibrating Bed. But the source doesn't say that, and it adds unnecessary words to your hook. Current house style leans towards having as few links as possible to increase the number of visits to your nom, and to limit the number of words. My preference would be to avoid linking as much as possible, but styles vary. If you link to Ozzy and Black Sabbath as is your wont, then try to move the blue link to the front so that your link is given priority for visits (this is DYK after all). Example: "... that Wilf Pine, the manager of Black Sabbath, had his arm dislocated by a vibrating bed because Ozzy Osbourne kept feeding it quarters?" Let's also remember that the source says that Ozzy fed the machine 15 quarters (going from memory, I think that's what it says). In that era, each quarter gave you 15 minutes, which means Wilf Pine was subjected to 225 minutes (3 hours and 45 minutes) of vibration. This means you also have an opportunity to create an uproariously comedic hook, provided it adheres to the source. Although it doesn't say that each quarter equals 15 minutes, that's how it worked, and given we know the number of quarters used from the source, there should be a way to create a hook that meets WP:CALC. I don't usually make use of CALC in my hooks, but I know that User:Launchballer does, so I'm going to ping them for advice here. Viriditas (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've amended and shortened the hooks per your comments, and removed the bed link both here and in the article. I've added your hook as ALT0c. Ericoides (talk) 06:21, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0, ALT1, ALT0a and ALT0b. However, I'm not allowed to approve my own hook, so...

For ALT0c. Viriditas (talk) 10:16, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Phyllis and Phyllis competed for Bermuda at the 1948 Summer Olympics?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Literature of Nova Scotia, Template:Did you know nominations/Federal Hall

Arconning (talk) 04:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• @It is a wonderful world:, here is the page. Arconning (talk) 10:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Strong Court, despite its name, was under the weak leadership of Chief Justice Samuel Henry Strong?

• • ALT1: ... that the Strong Court was created by the appointment of Samuel Henry Strong to the role of Chief Justice of Canada, despite Strong's many attempts to resign from the Court? Source: "Several times between 1884 and 1888 Strong actually tendered his resignation. He had stayed on at the prime minister's request, but in 1888 Sir John A. Macdonald finally gave way, writing to the minister of justice: 'I have written Strong. You would grant his pension. He may as well go.' Strong did not go, however." (Snell and Vaughan, 1985, p 45)
  • ALT2: ... that despite its name, the Strong Court did not have the respect of the Canadian legal community or public? Source: "Equally unfortunate was the entrenchment of the public's generally negative perception of the institution. A Toronto law journal commented in 1896 that 'this Court has long lacked the confidence of the Bar, both in the English-speaking provinces and in Quebec, and the present state of affairs will minimize what confidence still exists." AND "The Court's reputation remained poor; the editor of the Canada Law Journal wrote privately that the Supreme Court 'is held in Contempt by the profession.'"(Snell and Vaughan, 1985, p 58, 79)
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: I think the name of the court can be used to make a good pun, but I am having difficulty thinking of one

Caddyshack01 (talk) 14:36, 21 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the SWAT unit in Regina is one of the few police tactical units in Canada that uses the SWAT name?

• ALT1: ... that links between the SWAT unit in Regina and the LAPD SWAT are strong that the unit sent officers to LA to pay respects to Randal David Simmons, who died in the line of duty in 2008? Source: https://leaderpost.com/news/local-news/regina-police-to-move-to-full-time-tactical-support-team-in-2024https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/widow-of-first-lapd-swat-officer-to-be-killed-in-line-of-duty-speaks-on-dallas-shootings/
• ALT2: ... that the SWAT unit recruited Constable Angela McDougall, who was the first female officer in the Regina Police Service to join the unit in May 1991? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-leader-post-first-lady-swat-member/137189576/ https://player.vimeo.com/video/332325198
• ALT3: ... that the SWAT unit worked with paramedics to create a Regina-based Tactical emergency medical services in 2009? Source: https://leaderpost.com/news/local-news/the-ever-changing-world-of-paramedics-from-homes-and-hospitals-to-hot-zones
• ALT4: ... that SWAT's first assignment was to apprehend a sniper who opened fire in the streets of Regina near Regina Police Service Headquarters? Source: https://www.reginapolice.ca/history/ "The Regina Police Department (now referred to as "Regina Police Service") moved into a new facility housing the most modern information and storage retrieval facility of the day. The Communication Centre went on the air from the new station on February 6, 1979. Approximately eight hours later, less than a block away from headquarters, a sniper started firing at random into the surrounding streets. The sniper was successfully captured by the SWAT team."
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abdul Wahab Zahiri
• Comment: Sorry about the lack of photos. Apparently no one has free images of the unit to use for this article. Also made four hooks just in case. 1st hook is my fav personally. The Vimeo vid URL is a video uploaded by the RPS on their Vimeo channel and has historical info about the unit.

Ominae (talk) 14:13, 21 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• The article reads like a list of proseline, and does not appear presentable for the main page. Multiple paragraphs are too short to develop ideas, and multiple sections are stubs. This appears like a work in progress not yet ready for the main page. Flibirigit (talk) 05:16, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @Flibirigit:. I can bunch up some of the paragraphs to not make them short to make them presentable. Otherwise, let me know if there's anything else that needs to be fixed to make the article work. Ominae (talk) 05:59, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have done some rearranging and rewriting to make it more presentable. I also added the omitted date and language formats, and talk page banners. The lead paragraph/introduction needs to be expanded to summarize the key points of the article. Flibirigit (talk) 00:36, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • All done with the intro. Expanded it to include some key points. Ominae (talk) 03:26, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Swiss gymnast Charles Champaud is credited for having introduced football to Sofia?

• ALT1: ... that Swiss national Charles Champaud represented Bulgaria at the 1896 Summer Olympics? Source: [16]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Herbert Morton Stoops

Arconning (talk) 03:41, 28 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• @Arconning: New enough (expanded Jun 22), long enough, well-sourced, no copyvio (Earwig says 0.0%). However, this expansion does not appear to be long enough: 933 B → 2914 B is less than 5x. If this can be expanded to 4665 B, it will be acceptable. Hooks interested and verified in source (using machine translation). If ALT0 runs, I would probably specify "Sofia, Bulgaria" to be understandable by geographically-unaware readers. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 19:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Isoup Ganthy, part of Cambodia's first Olympic team, later died in prison after being accused of working to overthrow the country?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cova de les Dones
• Comment: BeanieFan11 helped me with the hook.

Arconning (talk) 04:59, 25 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the video game Danan: The Jungle Fighter allows the player to summon either an armadillo, eagle, or chimpanzee to aid them?

• ALT1: ... that the main character of the video game Danan: The Jungle Fighter survived a plane crash when they were just an infant? Source: https://segaretro.org/images/9/93/Danan_The_Jungle_Fighter_SMS_EU_Manual.pdf
• Reviewed:

COOPER COOL 23 user page 22:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: Not a review, but ALT1 is ineligible due to WP:DYKFICTION. ALT0 should be OK though, given that it describes a game mechanic and is thus a "real-world fact". Leafy46 (talk) 20:48, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Saskatchewan Highway Patrol was in a controversy in 2020 where firearms were purchased, but were deemed questionable during an audit in 2019?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Saidur Rahman Dawn
  • Comment: For the hook, that's the only thing I can think of, given that it's a bit new since they changed from the CVE to the SHP in 2018. Can (I guess) think up of more if needed.

Ominae (talk) 14:12, 22 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in August 2021, Yang re-entered the education sector as Party Secretary of Tianjin University, where he supervises all Party-related matters of the institution?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: This is my fist nomination-forgive me if I made a mistake?

PawPatroler (talk) 05:12, 22 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - n
• Other problems: - The hook is not properly formatted; Yang's full name or suitable replacement text should be used and in bold, and it should be wikilinked in Yang Xianjin's article.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The hook is uninteresting. It provides no context for who Yang is or why anyone would care that he re-entered the education sector. It reads like a line on a resume, not a hook that grabs readers' interest. Please look for a different hook option in the article or in sources that could be added to the article, and ping me when updated so I can review. Update: After leaving open for a week, there has been no update and the hook does not meet the DYK criteria. Closing as a "no". Any reviewer who would like to revive this is welcome to update and re-review. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:44, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @PawPatroler: for immediate attention.--Launchballer 06:15, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the creator of At 25:00, in Akasaka rode on an ambulance for the first time while writing the second volume?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/AHOF

lullabying (talk) 20:04, 22 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

•  Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 01:41, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Created yesterday and it's already at 6111 B in prose size. Everything else is good. ミラP@Miraclepine 03:13, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Pulled per DYKINT. Nobody cares about the author's ride in an ambulance. Please try to come up with something a little more interesting and pertinent to the subject, thanks. Gatoclass (talk) 10:14, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Gatoclass: Well, I did find it a little unusual and was open to this possibility. After all, what also helps is that the creator is unlikely to have a standalone article. However, I'm busy atm and will be until Thursday, so in case this is not enough, I had drafted these more-interesting hooks in advance since there might not be time to debate ALT0's interestingness:

ALT1A: ... that the creator of At 25:00, in Akasaka found that depicting television scripts gave her "a little more atmosphere" in writing dialogue than in other manga? 苦労した点、また楽しかった点など聞かせてください ... ドラマの台本だから！ と思って普段自分の漫画で使うセリフより少し雰囲気のあるセリフを選んで描けたのは面白かったです。/Please tell us about the things you struggled with and the things you enjoyed. ... It was interesting that I was able to choose lines that had a little more atmosphere than the ones I usually use in my manga because it was a drama script. Television's not stated per se but it's obvious from the work's plot.

ALT1B: ... that the creator of At 25:00, in Akasaka found that depicting drama scripts gave her "a little more atmosphere" in writing dialogue than in other manga? Same as ALT1A

ALT2A: ... that the two stars of At 25:00, in Akasaka found it challenging to portray themselves as actors who "act within a show"? 俳優の役を演じるという、いわゆる二重構造についてはどういう印象を受けましたか？/What was your impression of the so-called double structure of playing the role of an actor? [Niihara and Komagine reply that acting as actors was challenging.

ALT2B: ... that the two stars of the television drama At 25:00, in Akasaka found it challenging to portray themselves as actors who "act within a show"? Same as ALT2A

ミラP@Miraclepine 01:40, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• New hooks need review. Gatoclass (talk) 10:08, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that NFL player Randy Winkler was known as the "Jolly Green Giant"?

• ALT1: ... that Randy Winkler played in the NFL after going two and a half years without playing a regular season game? Source: Daily Citizen
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Darth Vader statue
• Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two. Coincidentally, I wrote another article recently on Gérard Lefranc, who was known as the "Green Giant". Perhaps I could do a double-hook like ... that Randy Winkler was the "Jolly Green Giant", while Gérard Lefranc was just the "Green Giant"? or something like that. Let me know if that sounds good.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:03, 29 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Article is newly made into a GA. Good sourcing, hook is interesting. All good. Arconning (talk) 08:25, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Arconning, the nomination cannot be approved with a QPQ pending. Please make sure to check all aspects of the nomination. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:26, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • AirshipJungleman29 Whoops, my mistake. Shall wait for the QPQ. Arconning (talk) 14:29, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Arconning: Added a QPQ. Do you think we should go with ALT0/1 or do you think I should add Lefranc to the hook as well as mentioned in the "Comment"? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:23, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        • @BeanieFan11: I apologize for my lateness, I believe it'd be nice to do a joint hook. Arconning (talk) 10:27, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Frederick L. Scarf stole a satellite to study a comet (satellite trajectory pictured)? Source: [19] And when the United States decided not to send a spacecraft to Halley’s Comet, Scarf and a couple of colleagues came up with a bold idea. They bypassed several layers of bureaucracy in Washington to gain control of an orbiting research satellite that had already outlived its usefulness. “We stole it,” Scarf gleefully told The Times then.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Proto-Siouan language

Artem.G (talk) 14:37, 27 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Article is new enough (created 22 June and nominated 27 June), appears to be reasonably neutral, well written, well sourced and QPQ is done. Earwig doesn't bring any hits, with the exception of blockquotes. Cited hook is spotchecked. I would quote "stole" in the hook to avoid any clickbait. Cattos^💭 02:22, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, @Artem.G:, thinking it over, my suggestion to put "stole" in quotes is both unattributed and inaccurate - Scarf did not actually steal a satellite. There's a good chance the hook could be pulled because of that. Would it be possible to propose an alternative hook or revise the original to reflect what actually happened? Cattos^💭 18:40, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the S-1 supercomputer was designed to have 16 processors, each with the power of a Cray-1? Source: statement made in both Stump and abstract of Widdoes
  • ALT1: ... that the S-1 project was designed with the ultimate goal of building an entire supercomputer on a single silicon wafer? Source: MacKenzie 1998, p. 120.

• • Reviewed: Megalobulimus dryades

Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that actress Arielle Prepetit was cast in the first Black Daytime soap opera in 35 years, Beyond the Gates?

• ALT1: ... that actress Arielle Prepetit performed at Walt Disney World? Source: [21]
• ALT2: ... that actress Arielle Prepetit was happy to work with Karla Mosley as she had seen her on other soap operas? Source: [22]
• ALT3: ... that American actress Arielle Prepetit can also speak Haitian Creole? Source: [23]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Elora's Dad
• Comment: Please let me know if any of the hooks need tweaking or if there is anything I should change

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 11:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that world champion fencer Gérard Lefranc stood at over 2 metres (6 ft 7 in) and was nicknamed the "Green Giant"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lumberjack Band (1/2)
• Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two. I'm a bit late with the nom (I had suggested it as a possible double-hook over at Randy Winkler, but the reviewer hasn't responded yet, so nominating this as a standalone hook before it entirely runs out of eligibility); hopefully that can be excused per WP:DYKG: The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:29, 3 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that John Schulman, the leader of the team that developed ChatGPT, said that his first period of serious self-directed study was inspired by the television show BattleBots?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ivan I of Moscow

Thriley (talk) 02:45, 3 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• This hook says he was the leader of the team that developed ChatGPT while the article does not say he was the leader of the team that developed ChatGPT. This hook is not WP:DYKINT. Aneirinn (talk) 02:50, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is stated in the career section. Thriley (talk) 21:15, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It does not say what is stated in the hook. Aneirinn (talk) 02:03, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is how his role is described in various media: “At OpenAI, he led the reinforcement learning team that developed ChatGPT” source: ChatGPT architect, Berkeley alum John Schulman on his journey with AI There is no need for an overly detailed description in the hook. He did indeed lead the team that developed ChatGPT. Thriley (talk) 02:36, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: There is a link to the Ivan I of Moscow nomination discussion included above. Presumably this is in error? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 04:15, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is the QPQ that is required for a Did You Know nomination. Thriley (talk) 02:39, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that wildlife rehabilitator Mikayla Raines housed two "lesbian goth foxes" at her SaveAFox Rescue in Minnesota?

• ALT1: ... that after visiting Mikayla Raines's SaveAFox animal rescue in Minnesota, a National Geographic photographer described Raines as a "wood nymph"? Source: National Geographic
• ALT2: ... that foxes from Mikayla Raines's SaveAFox Rescue in Minnesota had their voices used for the Overwatch 2 character Kiriko? Source: NME
• ALT3: ... that after first helping rehabilitate an orphaned grey fox when she was 15, Mikayla Raines went on to found the SaveAFox Rescue in Minnesota? Source: Pioneer Press, National Geographic
• ALT4: ... that after fox rescuer Mikayla Raines died, players of the video game Overwatch 2 paid tribute to her? Source: NME
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cube
• Comment: QPQ to come. QPQ now completed. Soulbust (talk) 12:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soulbust (talk) 17:39, 1 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Dutch composer Emirto de Lima competed for Colombia at the 1932 Summer Olympics?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Yuno Miles

Arconning (talk) 12:29, 29 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Hurst Robins Anderson, president of Centenary Junior College, participated in his brother's inauguration as president of the Pennsylvania College for Women? Source: [25]
  • ALT1: ... that Centenary Junior College president Hurst Robins Anderson participated in his brother's inauguration as president of the Pennsylvania College for Women? Source: same as ALT0
  • ALT2: ... that Centenary Junior College president Hurst Robins Anderson participated in the inauguration of Paul R. Anderson, his brother, as president of the Pennsylvania College for Women? Source: same as ALT0
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/A Welsh Singer, Template:Did you know nominations/WQHS-DT
  • Comment: Not 100% finished with the Hurst Robins Anderson article, but the relevant fact is there and the expansion of Paul's article was done 7 days ago. Reviewers - feel free to wait for Hurst's to be done (though this should be taken care of within 48 hours).

PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:33, 25 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that George Arthur Lincoln, the principal planner of George C. Marshall's World War II military campaigns, liked to spend time "mending fences, attending cattle, and riding" at his ranch in Colorado?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sue Anderson (musician)

Thriley (talk) 17:56, 3 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Queen Sibylla (coronation pictured) agreed to divorce her unpopular husband, Guy, on the condition that she could choose her next husband, only to choose Guy again and crown him king?

• ALT1: ... that Queen Sibylla (pictured) outwitted her lords by agreeing to their demand that she divorce her husband, Guy, requiring them to promise to accept her next choice of husband, and then choosing Guy again? Source: (Hamilton 2000, p. 220)
• ALT1: ... that Sibylla of Jerusalem (pictured) defied her brother the king's command to leave her husband, refused to ascend the throne without him, and went to share his hardships at a siege in which she died?
  Source: "Baldwin, it would seem, had reckoned without Sibyl’s great attachment to her husband, which was constant throughout her life." "She was instrumental in his becoming king, and in 1188 left the safety of Tripoli to share with him the hardships of the siege of Acre at which she died." (Hamilton 2000, p. 196)
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Andrea Enisuoh
• Comment: It would be wonderful if the nomination could be given some time for the GA review of the article about Guy to be finished. Then we can bold Guy's name too and have a nice double hook.

Surtsicna (talk) 19:25, 2 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Charles Winckler was selected to the Olympics in swimming, track and field, and won a gold medal in tug of war?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2024 Bojonegoro regency election

Arconning (talk) 13:49, 30 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that LuLu the Piggy (pictured) is Thailand's first pop-up store?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Erika Jonn

ChiJap (talk) 11:00, 30 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• The proposed hook is demonstrably false. The source is only saying that it's the first Lulu pop-up store in Thailand, and it's a press release and wouldn't be adequate for such claims anyway. Indeed, the article is cited only to primary sources and press releases; it will need references to independent reliable sources to show notability. The article is missing an important contextual link to art toy in the opening sentence, and the "Characteristic" section fails to frame the description in a real-world perspective. The image copyright might be an issue, as it appears to be a temporary rather than permanent installation so it's unclear whether FOP actually applies. A QPQ review is also needed, as nominator has more than 5 DYKs under another account. Other than that, article is new and long enough. I'm going to fail this as the article needs significant rewriting to properly present the subject's real-world significance, not just its marketing material. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:35, 1 July 2025 (UTC), updated 09:27, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• ALT1:... that the first blind box series of LuLu the Piggy (pictured) was launched in 2019?^[1] ChiJap (talk) 22:49, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for providing the QPQ and alt hook. The added source provides much more in-depth information, though I'm not knowledgeable enough to assess its independence and am still not quite sure that the article demonstrates the topic's notability well enough. Personally, I don't find Alt1 interesting, but I'm going to go ahead and request a second opinion to help look at the notability concerns. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:41, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• ALT2:... that LuLu the Piggy (pictured) became a trendy toy since its first introduction at the 2019 Shanghai Toy Show?^[2] ChiJap (talk) 00:01, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• ALT3:... that during the 2024 Summer Olympics, Hong Kong shopping mall, MOSTown, had hosted a LuLu the Piggy (pictured) sports themed campaign that was based on the event?^[3] ChiJap (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Frankenstein competed at the Olympics?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alhazen's problem

Arconning (talk) 08:31, 30 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: Would be a good April Fool's hook. Bremps... 05:20, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a nomad known as "Mule" sued to protect the "sacred relationship between man and horse to travel together with reverence and respect for this beautiful place in which we all reside called Earth"?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Royal 10

Thriley (talk) 14:43, 29 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - minor

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks mostly good. My main concern is that the full quote does not appear in the article, only a portion of it, and there's two bare URLs. Also, is he "Mule" or "Mule Man" like the source says? Add the quote, fix the refs and it should be good to go. @Thriley: BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:56, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for your review. I’ll be fixing it up in the next day or so. Thriley (talk) 19:28, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that although artist Erika Jonn did not have an exhibition of her work in her native Sweden in her lifetime, the Nationalmuseum in Stockholm now holds her painting "Farm in Skåne"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Horvat_Midras

MumphingSquirrel (talk) 21:12, 27 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - n
• Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The problem is that there is no topic of the art inside the article that is on the hook. Just a caption of the art is mentioned. And the other problem is that the art is not mentioned on the cited page that is on the hook. All you need is to include a topic for the art inside the article and provide another citation for the hook or else you should change the hook entirely. ChiJap (talk) 21:25, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the HMS Unicorn was decommissioned in August 1779, but was recommissioned the following month (September 1779)?

• Reviewed:

Commandant Quacks-a-lot (talk) 00:06, 26 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I'll take a shot reviewing this. It's my first review, so once I'm done it'll definitely need a second opinion Gb321 (talk) 04:04, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - History section has unreferenced facts. Service in the American Revolutionary War section has a bulleted list with only one entry referenced. The paragraph introducing the list is also unreferenced, and there is a random reference floating after the list. First paragraph in After service in the American Revolution section is unreferenced. Infobox also has lots of facts not referenced in the infobox nor mentioned/referenced in text
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - DYK info is in the article but has no reference
• Interesting: - I think the hook could be made interesting if it included the reason why the ship was recommissioned. Without this reason, I don't think it is interesting enough.
• Other problems: - mentioning September 1779 is unnecessary, readers will know what month follows August 1779

QPQ: None required.

Overall: DYK nomination needs work but more significantly, I think the article itself is not in the proper shape for a DYK. Particularly, the lack of references and the improper formatting of the references the article does have, both of these issues are problematic. Gb321 (talk) 04:31, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that astrophysicist Alan C. Cummings (pictured) has worked at Caltech for more than 50 years and led weekly campus birdwatching walks for 39 years, documenting over 1,700 walks? Source: Caltech article from 2023 for 50+ years at Caltech: "Voyager Scientist Celebrates 50 Years at Caltech"; for birdwatching: "Cummings has a legacy of his own on campus as one of the founders of Caltech's bird-watching group, which has been going on "bird walks" every week since 1986." and ""We've done over 1,700 walks now," says Cummings."
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sentient (intelligence analysis system)

Artem.G (talk) 14:28, 2 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Palaeocarpinus fruit fossils (pictured) have been recovered from Cold Ash and Hells Half Acre?

• • ALT1: ... that Palaeocarpinus fruits (pictured) may have been spread by wind, animals, or both? Source: Correa-Narvaez & Manchester 2021 Morphology, Variation and Dispersal last three paragraphs.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Maendeleo horseshoe bat

Kevmin § 02:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that actor Paul Nicholls returned to the soap opera EastEnders as character Joe Wicks after 27 years in Episode 6994?

• ALT1: ... that an Inside Soap writer wrote "our cup runneth over!" in reference Paul Nicholls's return to EastEnders in Episode 6994? Source: ^[1]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Neighbours - The 40th Anniversary Tour
• Comment: Please feel free to suggest another hook. I am happy to send a screenshot of the print source for ALT1 if needed :D

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 00:56, 27 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a review, but it might be better to focus on ALT0 as it is the closest to meeting WP:DYKINT and be understandable to people unfamiliar with EastEnders. However, maybe it needs a reword to avoid WP:SEAOFBLUE? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:18, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hey, thank you for your advice! I think I have fixed it. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 05:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that before becoming a cantonal council member, Marcel Schwerzmann took part in a transatlantic regatta from Gran Canaria to Saint Lucia and finished second in the cruiser class?

• Reviewed: [[]]

Nobody (talk) 16:01, 26 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• This article is missing needed citations and the subject might not pass the notability guidelines for politicians. Had they finished first, the hook might be intriguing, but it is not. Aneirinn (talk) 21:44, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Aneirinn: Everything in the article is cited and it meets WP:GNG and WP:NSUBPOL. I don't think coming first or second in the regatta makes a difference. Nobody (talk) 10:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• It is still missing at least one citation. There is not a source that mentions the information about their education. Other than it being not interesting, the hook is also against MOS:SOB. Aneirinn (talk) 16:20, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I added a source that should be alright. The Sea of blue issue shouldn't be too hard to fix, either by unlinking transatlantic or by rewording the sentence. Nobody (talk) 17:53, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They are indeed a notable person. Maybe some alternative hooks could be suggested. Aneirinn (talk) 07:52, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT1: ... that before becoming a cantonal council member, Marcel Schwerzmann finished second in a transatlantic regatta from Gran Canaria to Saint Lucia?

This could be better. Nobody (talk) 18:47, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that NFL player Henry Monroe retired after one season to enter medical school?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dag Burgos (1/2)
• Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Eduard Hermann was a race walker, boxer, and farmer during his lifetime?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Funeral Oration (Lysias)

Arconning (talk) 15:42, 4 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Shakira's "Men in This Town", which explores a small-town woman’s search for love in the superficial Los Angeles, resonates with the empowerment themes of her Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran World Tour?

• Reviewed:

1arch (talk) 15:42, 3 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Kingdom of Jerusalem was lost after its army answered Princess Eschiva's plea for help against her besiegers?

• ALT1: ... that Princess Eschiva's husband was condemned as an unchivalrous coward for counselling against helping his besieged wife–but when the royal army went to save her, they were destroyed? Source:
  "Gerard of Ridefort and Raynald of Châtillon condemned Raymond’s caution as cowardly and unchivalrous, as it left the count’s wife Eschiva and her attendant ladies at the mercy of Saladin’s army." (Lewis 2017, p. 268)
• ALT2: ... that Princess Eschiva was instructed by her husband to escape into the sea if she could not defend her castle, but surrendered it when she thought that he and her sons had been killed in battle? Source:
  "Raymond III told his wife Eschiva and her bailifs to take to their boats and find refuge in the sea, should they not be able to defend the town against Saladin , and wait there till he came to save them." (Braun & Razi 2016, p. 217.) "Eschiva, under the assumption that her husband Raymond III of Tripoli and her children had been killed in the Battle of Hattin, agreed to surrender Tiberias’s citadel to Saladin." (Reynolds 2019, pp. 12–13)
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Apolonia Dorregaray Veli
• Comment: Please consider which hook is most interesting. All opinions are welcome.

Surtsicna (talk) 19:37, 28 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Sonic the Hedgehog 3 references the "Shadow loves Latinas" internet meme as an homage to Sonic fandom shitposting?

• ALT1: ... that Sonic the Hedgehog 3's writers intended for Shadow to say "guns, lots of guns" like two of Keanu Reeves's (pictured) other characters, but scrapped the idea? Source: Screen Rant
• ALT2: ... that Sonic the Hedgehog 3's director sent "retiree" Jim Carrey a US$100,000 script printed in real gold after Carrey joked this was his requirement to return to the franchise? Source: THR
• ALT3: ... that Sonic the Hedgehog 3 director Jeff Fowler was an animator on Shadow the Hedgehog's 2005 video game before adapting the character to the screen 19 years later? Source: Screen Rant & THR
• ALT4: ... that Jim Carrey spent three hours in a makeup chair before each time he shot scenes as Gerald Robotnik in Sonic the Hedgehog 3? Source: EW
• ALT5: ... that Sonic the Hedgehog 3 actor Cristo Fernández didn't get to meet his childhood hero Jim Carrey during production as their scenes were shot separately? Source: Comic Book
• ALT6: ... that several action scenes featuring Shadow the Hedgehog in Sonic the Hedgehog 3 are taken directly from the character's 2005 video game? Source: Total Film
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bhutan at the Olympics
• Comment: "Give me back my passport! Why do you want to go to Mexico?" ... "I just love Latinas, Sonic."

BarntToust 15:40, 27 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment Nominator mentioned elsewhere on the article's talk page that they collected potential alternate hooks here. I think the current hook is good, although I am also partial to ALT2. silviaASH (inquire within) 17:25, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BarntToust: I've taken the liberty of moving the hooks on that page to this one. For what it's worth, I read the article after seeing it at WP:GARC and the bit about the gold script stuck out; I therefore propose ALT7: ... that a cast member's script for Sonic the Hedgehog 3 cost $100,000 to print?--Launchballer 21:49, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Launchballer I prefer main. Provocative beats impressive in my mind. BarntToust 22:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And mainly because of the fact there's one opportunity to give the idea of Latinas being Shadow's thing a chance to show up on the main page. I could see Jeff Fowler going to GA rather easily and getting a dyk with the concept of him giving the script, and if Jim Carrey were to get to GA, a DYK could be produced of him receiving the script. No other relevant, notable articles for Latina—Shadow business to be included in. BarntToust 22:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the idea of Latinas in the DYK is best because of its genuine uniqueness to this article. Jim Carrey's costly script, I can think of two other places where that would work.

...that a script for a Jim Carrey movie cost $100k to print?

that... it cost Jeff Fowler $100k to print a script for Jim Carrey?

On that note, it is impossible to include anything, period, on Shadow the Hedgehog's DYK because it's already a good article. Only other place where anything about Latinas could be written. That's my standpoint, considering the opportunity and uniqueness of Shadow liking Latinas. BarntToust 22:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that it's confirmed that Shadow the Hedgehog loves Latinas in Sonic the Hedgehog 3?

Above is a more concise submission that I'd like to put as final for my viewpoint. BarntToust 22:37, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• The way this is framed now feels like it'd fall afoul of WP:DYKFICTION. I think that the other issue with this hook, both the original and revised versions, is that it doesn't meet WP:DYKINT- someone with no special knowledge of the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise won't necessarily know who Shadow the Hedgehog is, or why it would be interesting or unusual if he loved Latinas. The idea of Jim Carrey getting a gold script to reprise his role, though, is more likely to be perceived as generally unusual and novel even if someone has never heard of Sonic before. silviaASH (inquire within) 23:00, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

... that Sonic the Hedgehog 3 makes its character Shadow love Latinas because the film's director wanted an homage to Sonic fandom shitposting?

There we go, this one technically works within DYKFICTION. But I see where the 100k gold script part falls much more securely within the lines. I'd be chill with either one, be it this one or ALT 7 though given this explanation. BarntToust 23:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that xeokit SDK can visualize 3D BIM models directly in your browser without needing any proprietary software?

• Reviewed:

Drashevski (talk) 12:40, 27 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• The hook as currently written cannot be used as: 1. It fails WP:DYKINT (it is unlikely to interest or even be understood by people lacking specialist knowledge about IT), and 2. It reads like an advertisement for Xeokit. Pinging Maury Markowitz or DigitalIceAge for input on whether or not the article is salvageable and if a better hook can be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:42, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well first off the hood needs a link to the actual article! Looking it over, and some of the external pages, I think this is reasonable article. My only concern is the cites - there's plenty of them but most of them point back to GitHub or similar. There are some reasonable mentions in 3rd party papers (basically the second half of the cite list) but there's also a fair number of passing mentions. As always I err on the side of inclusion, so if anyone agrees this passes, the issue is the hook. This seems reasonably hooky: Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:25, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the Xeokit software development kit is used to build browser-based programs that can view detailed 3D architectural models (pictured) on the web?

That still seems a bit too technical or at least specialist. Is there a way to make it more layperson or non-techy friendly? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:04, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to disagree with that. The reader has to know what the web is and what a browser is, and I would wager that the average reader what architecture is, and what a 3d model is. They may not know what a software development kit is, but I think they can figure that out from the term itself. This does not seem overly technical or in-universe to me, but YMMV. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:59, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The layperson probably thinks of "browser" as being like Chrome or Safari (i.e. a web browser), and it's not clear from the hook that it's talking about that. Of course, it could just be because it's full of techy-sounding terms, which muddles the waters somewhat. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can safely add "web" to the "browser" bit instead of the end, and I don't think we need SDK, so how's this? Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:43, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that Xeokit is used to build web browser-based programs that can view detailed 3D architectural models (pictured)?

• This still needs a full review. I have struck the other hooks, so only ALT2 is under consideration. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Eva O'Hara fell over and hit the floor whilst filming her debut scenes for Hollyoaks?

• ALT1: ... that actress Eva O'Hara pushed for her Hollyoaks character to be given "something more meaty" rather than have a happy ending? Source: [31]
• ALT2: ... that actress Eva O'Hara has a Level 3 certificate in Personal Training? Source: [32]
• ALT3: ... that Angus Castle-Doughty gave his Hollyoaks colleague Eva O'Hara a painting of the pair of them as a leaving gift? Source: [33]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chill Guy

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 01:15, 4 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Randy D became interested in broadcasting while working as a parking attendant at Lincoln Center?

• ALT1: ... that according to Randy D, his country's noise law "killed" entertainment? Source: "Meanwhile, veteran entertainment promoter Randy Dopwell told SEARCHLIGHT that he believes that when the noise act was enacted entertainment was killed." [34]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gauthier Mvumbi

Joofjoof (talk) 20:25, 1 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Samuel S. Mayerberg was nearly killed in a drive-by shooting in 1932 for criticizing political boss Tom Pendergast?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Avery r. young

Roast (talk) 05:49, 30 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Article is new enough and long enough. One image (File:Samuel Spier Mayerberg 1960 alt.jpg): the source website says this is PD, but I'm not sure how that's possible given that they also say the author is unknown and that it was created in 1960 -- unless there's some special consideration in play, like the author being an employee of the US Government, a work from that date must still be in copyright. No other concerns regarding copyvio, BLP, plagiarism or similar. I'm not convinced about some of the sourcing: this website, for instance, seems to be used to support a date -- what makes it a reliable source? Similarly, one much-used source is local news, which is dicey per WP:RS. More subjectively, I'd like to see a couple of spit-and-polish tweaks before it hits the main page -- for example, is it normal to refer to a Jewish religious group as a "church"? UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 18:45, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @UndercoverClassicist: Removed this source; it was a local source from University Academy public school, but I couldn't find any further backing of its reliability. Fixed "church" issue, changed for congregation. Picture is from Harry S. Truman Library, which is federally-ran, so a government employee is extremely likely to have taken the picture.
    • Hm -- I'm not convinced here. A library is a collection of records and documents; it's very unusual for a library not to include materials relevant to its subject made by people to whom it has no relation. Likewise, it's very common for online repositories of this sort to mark media as "public domain" to indicate that they don't know of any copyright, which isn't good enough for us -- we need to be positively sure that no copyright exists. I agree that it's reasonably likely that a government employee took it, but if the source isn't even willing to say that (never mind give a name), I don't think we can use such an assumption as the basis of a PD claim. However, the image would certainly be amenable to an FUR. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:55, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • @UndercoverClassicist: If the picture is questionable, I don’t think a FUR would be possible, because Samuel S. Mayerberg.jpg on Commons also exists, and is lifted from tne Library of Congress. Though, if that also has similar problems, a FUR could be done. Roast (talk) 20:22, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • File:Samuel S. Mayerberg.jpg doesn't have a US PD tag, and almost certainly isn't PD in the United States, for similar reasons to the article image. Perhaps you could ask about both images on Commons and see what the view is there? UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:28, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        • @UndercoverClassicist: So given the Wikimedia Commons discussion is going no where, I’d suggest deleting the pictures from Commons to ensure the DYK passes then worry about a non-free alternative in the in-between time of accepting and its appearence on the front page. Though, I'm unsure how to delete files on Commons, and need help with that. Roast (talk) 16:46, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
          • The conversation on Commons has had less than a day; that's very early to be calling it stalled. Indeed, it's been less than 12 hours since I posted the explanation of what exactly the question was. It wouldn't be necessary to delete the images from Commons to get this DYK through, and I wouldn't recommend opening a deletion request there unless there's a positive reason to believe the images are in copyright (however, to use them in a DYK/GA etc, we need a positive case that they're not copyrighted).
            • @UndercoverClassicist: Given Samuel S. Mayerberg.jpg is part of Chronicalling America, wouldn't the most likely explanation be that it’s PD-US-not renewed? Roast (talk) 17:26, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
              • @UndercoverClassicist: Are you going to complete this review? If not, could you fetch another reviewer?
                • Requesting new reviewer as @UndercoverClassicist: has been inactive from this DYK despite other activity (though sparce) on Wikipedia. If they respond to that ping, then consider this request null. Roast (talk) 00:40, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:53, 2 July 2025 (UTC) Local source is from the Kansas City Public Library, which itself cites other newspapers and books, and such should be given the same verdict as the Dictionary of Missouri Biography source—both of which have a citation im common. Roast (talk) 19:33, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I think you might have been talking about this document, which I'm reasonably happy meets the standards for WP:RS. However, I'm talking about this one. It seems to be the website of a Kansas TV station which, as far as I can tell, cites nothing at all. If we're going to treat it as an RS, we need a positive case to do so. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:55, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @UndercoverClassicist: The source cites a local historian who has kinda established (he wrote some articles for the Missouri Encyclopedia). But I don’t feel like bothering with such, so it and its sentences are removed. Roast (talk) 21:17, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Should have said — I’m travelling and on my phone, which makes complicated stuff (like image licensing) difficult. However, has anything actually changed? As I read my Talk page, you seem to be saying that you have evidence of PD status, but haven’t found out how to add it yet – that is still a total stumbling block for DYK approval. I’m sure there are people on Commons who would be able to advise, or indeed tutorials for doing exactly this, but PD status needs to be substantiated by evidence on the Commons page. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 10:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • @UndercoverClassicist: Commons people did help me. See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jmabel#Continuing_Mayerberg, and the subsequent permission change to include the Email at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mayerberg_and_Truman.jpg. Roast (talk) 10:09, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • We need something more robust than a copy-paste essentially asking to be taken on trust. How can a third editor verify that the email exists? There’s a team of people who check and vouch for communications like this; suggest them as a first point of call. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 10:56, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        • @UndercoverClassicist: Could you name the team? Also, do I need to continue pinging you, I feel incessant? Roast (talk) 11:03, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
          • You don’t — I’m watching this page. As for the details, I’m afraid I’ll have to leave that one to you for now — see my note above about travelling. But however it’s done, the images need verifiable copyright info (which the current text isn’t) before they can be used. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 13:09, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in 2013, Gaetano di Mauro won a 500-mile (800 km) karting race alongside ex-Formula One driver Rubens Barrichello?

• ALT1: ... that Gaetano di Mauro came runner-up in the 2017 Campeonato Brasileiro de Turismo season despite his car being 80 kilograms heavier than the minimum weight? Source: https://www.kartmotor.com.br/noticias/stock-car/academia-shell-racing-promove-gaetano-di-mauro--stock-car-em-2019-piloto-recebeu-notcia-de-maneira-inusitada-32129 in pt-BR: 'He led most of the Brazilian Touring Car Championship, even though he was forced to compete with 80-kilo performance ballast, as required by the regulations that season.'
• Reviewed:
• Comment: This is my first time at DYK so apologies if I make a mistake

Mitchea99 (talk) 03:36, 29 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I would like to suggest File:Gaetano di Mauro 2024.jpg or File:Gaetano di Mauro 2024 (cropped).jpg as the hook image. Bremps... 05:52, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article meets the freshness and length criteria. I see no copyright issues. I like ALT1 better. I see sentences with no citations at the ends of three paragraphs. Furthermore I see no citations in the "Karting record" and "Racing record" sections. Is this something that can be addressed, Mitchea99? Surtsicna (talk)

Mitch is currently away (per their userpage), so I'm assisting them with adding the missing sources. The issues with the ends of the paragraphs have been resolved, and the tables will hopefully be done soon. I'll reply to this again when the tables have been fixed. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 00:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notifying User:Surtsicna that the referencing concerns are almost fully resolved now, with the only thing being unreferenced is the Stock Light results. I'm still trying to find something for that (there's a website that I found but it won't load). If I'm unable to find anything, then I'll put it into an invisible comment for now. I informed Mitch about this (offwiki) but due to timezone differences I figured I would just send this reply now so any other concerns can be fixed, if any. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 01:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for notifying, GalacticVelocity08. We are close to wrapping this up. Surtsicna (talk) 07:43, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still unable to find a source for the Stock Light section; I found something for 2018 but it isn't a perfect match, and absolutely nothing for 2017. I've contacted one person to ask but in the mean time it's in an invisible comment until a source can be found. If anything else needs to be fixed before this DYK can proceed, please let me know. Thank you for the patience! GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 00:16, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that some cities in the United States and the United States Armed Forces operate government-owned grocery stores?

• ALT1: ... that there are government-owned grocery stores in the United States, including city-owned supermarkets and military commissaries? Source: https://theweek.com/politics/mamdani-government-run-grocery-stores
• Reviewed:

Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 08:06, 5 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Now this is a trending topic. Thanks, Bohemian Baltimore. The article is new, long enough, and apparently comprehensive. I understand that the lead is supposed to look like a lead and summarize the rest of the article without citations, but I am concerned that it draws conclusions which are not found in the body; this means it needs citations. Most of the sections consist of single (and very short) paragraphs, and most paragraphs in turn are single sentences; I would also strongly suggest reworking these to fit MOS:LAYOUT. Surtsicna (talk)
• Courtesy ping to Bohemian Baltimore as the previous ping attempt did not include a timestamp. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 02:05, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that an estimated three quarters of New Zealand's population saw Elizabeth II (pictured) during her tour of the country in 1953–1954?

• ALT1: ... that during the 1953–1954 royal tour of New Zealand, Elizabeth II opened a session of Parliament that only lasted for seven minutes, the shortest in the country's history? Source: https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/Queen-Elizabeth-II-first-tour-of-New-Zealand/
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/James Cook
• Comment: There are a heap more images to choose from. Any ideas for a better image?

―Panamitsu (talk) 22:45, 29 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment I think the stamp would work well as the image for a hook Lajmmoore (talk) 14:13, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• The article is new, technically long enough and well-sourced. I see no copyright issues. What concerns me, Lajmmoore, is that the article looks very much like an engagement diary. They did this and that on this day, then this and that on that day, and so on. While I do not doubt the notability of the topic, I feel that the article fails to present it. Are there no contemporary commentaries on the significance of the visit? Later discussions of long-term significance? Surtsicna (talk) 18:56, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I think the comment above is meant for Panamitsu as I didn't nominate it Lajmmoore (talk) 18:25, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I was thinking that the large amount of people seeing the two as well as this being the first tour of a regining monarch shows its long-term significance? ―Panamitsu (talk) 22:22, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see any discussion of that in the article, Panamitsu. Historians and reporters have commented on it, haven't they? I see academic articles on Google Scholar (at least one of which is readily available) and countless books on Google Books (this one, for example). Surtsicna (talk) 14:50, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That PDF link won't work because of the way its hosted, you should just mention the name of the article. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:19, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Right, of course. The article is Marketing the Modern Empire: Elizabeth's Royal Progress. Surtsicna (talk) 12:45, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned in the Background and Statistics sections. I appreciate the feedback but what part of the did you know criteria does this fall under? I'm a bit bored of working on this article lol so I don't really want to expand it too much. ―Panamitsu (talk) 22:50, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It falls under WP:DYKCOMPLETE. I'll gladly give you time to rest from this topic. Perhaps you'll flesh it out later. Surtsicna (talk) 12:45, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I don't agree that this article doesn't satisfy WP:DYKCOMPLETE. While it could be expanded more, it has information about the coronation, the possibility of previous royal visits, the amount of people going to see her, stamps, a commemorative medal and the Royal Visit Honours. WP:DYKCOMPLETE lists things such as empty sections and an article about a book that discusses the author but not the contents of the book. I'm really sorry to be bitter like this, but I cannot see the problem with this article's completeness for DYK and I won't be expanding it. ―Panamitsu (talk)

• ... that sportsman Nándor Dáni competed in athletics, cycling, rowing, and speed skating during his career?

• ALT1: ... that runner Nándor Dáni won Hungary's first Olympic medal? Source: [36]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Voyage to the Blue Planet

Arconning (talk) 10:37, 7 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that fencer André Corvington served as a doctor during World War I?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Voyage to the Blue Planet

Arconning (talk) 12:20, 6 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I am afraid the article is not long enough, Arconning. Not only does the lead present the exact same information as the article's sole body section, the content between the two is identical. I am afraid that I cannot accept this nomination as 1,500 characters of new content. Surtsicna (talk) 15:35, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Surtsicna: Alrighty, could you please fail it for now? Arconning (talk) 09:43, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can, Arconning, but if I fail it now, then its only shot at DYK in the future would be a GA promotion. Surtsicna (talk) 09:49, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Surtsicna: Yep yep. :) Arconning (talk) 09:54, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Very well. Perhaps we do see it here as a GA at some point! Surtsicna (talk) 09:58, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the article's been expanded to over 1500 bytes. Do you still want to withdraw this nomination? JuniperChill (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My concern has not been addressed, JuniperChill. It is still only 1149 characters with a repetition in the (unnecessary) lead. Surtsicna (talk) 08:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you give me till, maybe, Sunday, I'd be willing to try to expand this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:15, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, BeanieFan11. Surtsicna (talk) 09:01, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Episode 4043 of the British soap opera Hollyoaks was filmed in real time?

• ALT1: ... that Episode 4043 of the British soap opera Hollyoaks showed the process of taking a HIV test? Source: [39]
• ALT2: ... that actor Kieran Richardson was unsure of how viewers would react to Episode 4043 of the British soap opera Hollyoaks due the departure of a character in the previous episode? Source: [40]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Juno (Overwatch)
• Comment: Please let me know if I should suggest another hook

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 09:12, 6 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Kathleen Romoli remained silent about her 1937 mining company promotional film Gold Platinum due to her knowledge of the exploitation of natural resources? Source: Romoli understood the power imbalance she witnessed on her trip, and she responded by never mentioning Gold Platinum and by writing a history for the indigenous communities that she encountered while filming her travelogue. A cinematic encounter that turned into a history for history-less subjects.
  • ALT1: ... that Kathleen Romoli remained silent about a promotional film she made for a mining company due to her knowledge of the exploitation of natural resources? Source: Same as ALT0
  • ALT2: ... that Kathleen Romoli became an anthropologist due to her experience with the exploitation of natural resources while making a promotional film for a mining company? Source: Same as ALT0 + The mining company Gold Platinum (GP) requested a promotional film about its operations in the Colombian Pacific coast. Romoli, a prominent historian and anthropologist, shot A Journey to the Operations of the South American Gold Platinum Co. (1937), also known as Gold Platinum, paying special attention to the Embera community, which was in contact with the dredge camps in the 1930s.
  • ALT3: ... that before becoming an anthropologist, Kathleen Romoli once received personal thanks from Benito Mussolini for her volume of his speeches? Source: Kathleen, at age thirty-seven, curated an edition of Benito Mussolini’s speeches, Eleven Years of Fascism Through the Word of the Duce (1934), for which he publicly thanked her.
  • ALT4: ... that anthropologist Kathleen Romoli would use antiquated Spanish due to her experiences with archival material? Source: Jorge recuerda cómo su familiaridad con los archivos españoles la lleva a hablar un español antiguo, no decía “pero” sino utilizaba el “más” y en lugar de “sin embargo” usaba el “empero”/Jorge recalls how her familiarity with Spanish archives led her to speak old-fashioned Spanish; she didn't say "pero" but rather used "más" (more), and instead of "sin embargo" (however), she used "empero" (empero).
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/At 25:00, in Akasaka

ミラP@Miraclepine 20:49, 4 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that rapper Talha Anjum made his cinematic debut with 2024 short-film Kattar Karachi?

• ALT1: ... that 2024 film Kattar Karachi is a visual representation of Talha Anjum's album My Terrible Mind? Source: "... what visual representation my album was going to have. So that's when he told me that we could even do an album film." Dawn Images. 17 December 2014.
• Reviewed:

M. Billoo 15:25, 1 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Neither hook meets WP:DYKINT as they are unlikely to interest readers who are unfamiliar with Anjum. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:52, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for the feedback. Really sorry to disturb, but I see a very similar one currently on display: "... that mine labourer Golekane Mosweu became an Olympic runner after someone noticed his fitness?" And one earlier this month: "... that the Miley Cyrus song "Easy Lover" was intended for three different albums before its release?" Can it be rephrased to look better? M. Billoo 16:06, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How about rephrase it as: ALT2: ... that rapper Talha Anjum turned into an actor by cinematic representation of his album in the film Kattar Karachi? M. Billoo 21:26, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That could work, but the hook needs to be copyedited for grammar. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

... that Pakistani rapper Talha Anjum made his acting debut in the film Kattar Karachi, which is based on his album? M. Billoo 23:39, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that while suicide by electrocution is usually very rare, it was one of the most common methods used in Nazi concentration camps due to the surrounding high-voltage electric fences (pictured)?

• ALT1: ... that when women choose suicide by electrocution, they usually do it by dropping a plugged-in hair dryer in a bathtub they've immersed themselves in? Source: "There is preponderance of bathtub electrocution associated with females", "Suicidal electrocution: a report of three unusual cases", in Soudní Lékařství (2021)
• ALT2: ... that deputy commandant Karl Fritzsch implored the first large group of prisoners shipped to Auschwitz in 1940 to "go straight into the wires" (pictured) if they didn't like conditions in the camp? Source: [41] Paywalled and in German
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2025 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay
• Comment: My first DYK nomination in months. Yes, as the title should warn you, this material can be very triggering and disturbing, especially the source for ALT1, which has pictures you may not want to look at. If you're not ready for this emotionally, I strongly advise you to consider reviewing a different hook.

Daniel Case (talk) 04:24, 1 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that when the allegedly poisoned Patriarch Stephen was visited by the king and asked how he was, the dying prelate replied, “Sire, I am faring as you desire”?

• ALT1: ... that Stephen of La Ferté was implored by Saint Bernard not to go on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem, but went anyway and became patriarch? Source: "Bernard's reprimand fell on deaf ears. Stephen not only made his pilgrimage but was elected patriarch of Jerusalem in 1128 and never returned to Europe." (Jotischky 2010, p. 6)
• ALT2: ... that Stephen of La Ferté was waiting for a ship to take him back to Europe from a pilgrimage to Jerusalem when the patriarch of Jerusalem died, and was subsequently elected to succeed him? Source: "He was waiting for a ship home when the patriarch of Jerusalem died. He was promptly elevated to the patriarchate..." (Riley-Smith 1997, p. 184)
• ALT3: ... that Stephen of La Ferté was appointed patriarch of Jerusalem because he was the king's cousin, but this backfired when Stephen demanded the king's submission? Source: "If Baldwin had hoped that the ties of cousinhood would make for cordial co-operation, he was soon disillusioned." (Runciman 1952, p. 176)
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1953–1954 royal tour of New Zealand

Surtsicna (talk) 19:37, 30 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Saskatchewan Marshals Service was legalized in Saskatchewan through the passing of the The Police (Miscellaneous) Amendment Act, 2023?

• ALT1: ... that the Saskatchewan Marshals Service is being blamed for poaching police officers from the RCMP, but the first 10 officers are not from the Saskatchewan RCMP? Source: https://www.sasktoday.ca/provincial-news/none-of-ten-marshals-recruits-are-former-rcmp-10315655
• ALT2: ... that the Saskatchewan Marshals Service recruited a former RCMP officer from British Columbia despite claims of the SMS "poaching" officers from Saskatchewan RCMP? Source: https://www.sasktoday.ca/provincial-news/none-of-ten-marshals-recruits-are-former-rcmp-10315655
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Philippe Housiaux
• Comment: The SMS is a new police service that's suppose to go operational before the end of 2025, assuming Saskatchewan news is up to date. Working on improving and expanding it. As for QPQ, I'm working on the DYK nomination (page) that's being reviewed. Hope that it'll be resolved soon. Apologies for that. Otherwise, I'll go and change it under advisement.

Also, there's no free images of the SMS in Commons.

Ominae (talk) 10:14, 30 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 1989 activist and writer Andrea Enisuoh was the first Black woman to be elected to the UK National Union of Students Executive Committee?

• ALT1: ... that in 2010, activist Andrea Enisuoh and Hackney residents campaigned to keep the name of their local library, honouring Trinidadian writer CLR James? Source: "Andrea Enisuoh". Women From Hackney's History. 1. The Hackney History Society (Friends of Hackney Archives): 45.
• Reviewed:

Medievalfran (talk) 21:26, 1 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Thank you for joining DYK, Medievalfran. The article is new and looks fairly comprehensive given the coverage, but I am afraid that there are some issues with this nomination. Several paragraphs are missing citations. The hooks are missing wikilinks, but that much is easily sorted. The two greater problems with the original hook is that it is not quite supported in the article and that it is not exactly interesting. I had never heard of a National Union of Students Executive Committee. Frankly, being a first black woman member of it does not sound like much. ALT1 is only slightly better. I suppose something could be done with the Trinidadan television transmission thing, but it is not mentioned in the cited source (which is an issue of its own). Surtsicna (talk) 18:22, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Marc Mac is a British-Jamaican producer (one half of the group 4hero) whose album 'Two Pages' foretold the future sounds of drum 'n bass music?

• Reviewed:

I&I22 (talk) 16:10, 3 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• New enough in mainspace and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. I don't think the hook works: it's puffery and unattributed. (The discography does not need a citation, though the detail on the labels and versions is probably excessive.) Look for a different fact, I&I22; I don't think this would be allowed to stand unless attributed to someone reasonably well-known. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 18:58, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sammi Brie - i don't really understand what you are saying here. Do you mean to express that Marc Mac is not well known? this is not true and a wildly unsubstantiated statement. it is not at all "puffery and unattributed" where did you get that? why would i bother even making the article if he wasn't an important yet overlooked piece of music history - he is well known as a pioneering artist of jungle and d'n b.if you do a little research it is easy to see this. i have no idea what qpg is but i will look it up thank you and figure out citations etc. also i don't understand speaking like this to ppl volunteering their sweet irreplacable time and learning the ropes on wikipedia, "Look for a different fact,". i get it - directness and all that i - i don't mind directness - but it seems a bit abrasive. Anyways, maybe i just have misunderstood you? and am making assumptions as have often encountered aggressive, condescending, unkind, rude, assumptive, suspicious or impatient-sounding comments from other more experienced editors when i have made some newbie error. alrightee i am not on here to bicker but it is fun when the convo is more respectful especially when putting in the time to learn and participate. thanks again and will look into it — Preceding unsigned comment added by I&I22 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@I&I22: Please read WP:PUFFERY for more context. Generally speaking, Wikipedia wants to avoid subjective words like "pioneering" in articles, especially without proper attribution. It's more of a case of show than tell, i.e. show how the person is "pioneering", rather than saying they are so. Regarding the "well-known" thing, I think Sammi was talking about a reviewer or source that says Mac is "pioneering", rather than claiming that Mac is not well-known. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I see. Thank you for the puffery reference. On my end I understand the word pioneering differently, less promotional I suppose. I am on a bit of a break from Wikipedia. Can either of you let me know if there is a deadline for the updates? Much thanks I&I22 (talk) 05:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)I&I22[reply]

• • Narutolovehinata5 is right. To make a claim like that requires appropriate backup, and big claims require lots of proof. That's a big claim. I'd be more than happy to help, but that's an important principle for editors to grasp. This sentence, for instance, has no reason to be there because it sounds so promotional: Reinforced Records has supported new musical genres and emerging artists, pioneering the sounds of 90's British dance music scene through mentorship, networking opportunities, collaboration and music production. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 05:38, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sammi Brie: ok, great that is helpful to know. Yes there are many sources to cite. I can't remember what I wrote before, but I cited many academic references on his article. I have changed the dyk question, does that read better - in keeping with Wikimedia protocols? Marc Mac is in the main reference books for edm particularly British ones. He and his group members coached Goldie in crafting/translating his sonic visions for Goldie's epic masterpiece Timeless. Their label Reinforced Records mentored and supported many essential UK edm producers. As this artist seems to have shied away from promos due to racial unrest which led to family tragedies perhaps - they have kept a behind the scene profile but they are an essential part of British culture and mentioned often in Wikipedia so found it was important to mention them and provide a more accurate context for the other article mentions. I appreciate the support and guidance as i fail my way to greater understanding. I do not understand the Wikipedia culture completely yet and am duty-bound to represent the underacknowledged cultural contributions of BIPOC folx.:)

• @Sammi Brie:

@Narutolovehinata5: Hello! I have no idea how to format my changes...I have edited directly into the code...does this work with these kinds of DYK projects? I understand now that my question was way too mundane!

• ... that Iran uses criminal networks in foreign countries to execute its political and security interests?

• • Reviewed:

BasselHarfouch (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• General eligibility:
• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems: - n

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - n
• Neutral: - n
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - n
• Other problems: - n

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - n
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Really sorry, but it looks like this article needs quite a lot more work before it can be shown on the main page. There are numerous issues outlined on the page. I can see there's a lot of unnecessary detail in the page which should be trimmed and cut, and the background section should be expanded, like why they're conducting these operations, countries it operates in most frequently; basically, just make it so that some guy who knows absolutely nothing about Iran would be able to follow along and read the article and comprehend it. There's a lot of errors in the citations. There is also some close paraphrasing which I think can be avoided. jolielover♥talk 18:26, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Thos. W. Ward Ltd. of Sheffield used camels and an elephant named Lizzie to replace horses during WWI?

• Reviewed:

Commandant Quacks-a-lot (talk) 16:32, 3 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Well, this is sweet and definitely attention-grabbing, Commandant Quacks-a-lot. Thank you! It is new, long enough and apparently comprehensive. I see no copyright issues. The sources range from excellent (e.g. the BBC article) to much less so; I see two blogs and two self-published websites. I would also appreciate if the sources were properly cited, with the name of author, date of publication, publisher, etc. Surtsicna (talk) 18:03, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I have gone throught and improved all but two of the citations in the article. Now for the blogs and self published sources. In "The Railway Museum Blog", the term "blog" in the name is somewhat misleading. It's a website from the National Railway Museum in the UK, and is mostly devoted to news relating to, well, railway and museum things. The Elephant Database is indeed a self-published blog, but the only website I can find that officially says that Lizzie's birthdate in unknown. Most websites just don't mention her birth. Dissapointing, I know, lol. Anyway, no other websites listed are self-published or blogs. Sorry I couldn't respond to you in the DYK nominations official page. Commandant Quacks-a-lot (talk) 15:08, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest not saying anything about Lizzie's date of birth if the best source we can find is a self-published blog. Not saying anything actually implies that we do not know. Surtsicna (talk) 15:37, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, I shall remove it. Thanks for the tips! Commandant Quacks-a-lot (talk) 18:24, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the tune of the song "Abhi Na Jaao Chhod Kar" is repeated in two other songs in the movie Hum Dono?

• Reviewed:

SerChevalerie (talk) 14:57, 3 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I don't believe this blurb meets WP:DYKINT; reuse of a musical theme within a work is very common (see subject, leitmotif). -insert valid name here- (talk) 21:54, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How that this hook sound?

ALT1 ... that in 2022, Bollywood actor Shah Rukh Khan called "Abhi Na Jaao Chhod Kar" the most romantic song in Hindi cinema?

It might work since Khan is a Bollywood superstar and Bollywood has a large audience internationally. I mainly put "Bollywood actor" since he might be less well-known in the Western world. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Personal opinion, I still don't think it's interesting (I even think it's worse). Like, imagine a DYK hook that was like "Leonardo DiCaprio called 'City of Stars' the most romantic song in American cinema". Who really cares what Leo thinks about that song, even if he's objectively a great actor? Just my two cents though. jolielover♥talk 18:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me! SerChevalerie (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Herb Alpert's 2024 album, 50, commemorates both his 50th studio album and his golden wedding anniversary with his wife Lani Hall?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: Source:^[1]

JTtheOG (talk) 22:51, 5 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that one woman now does the work of six men at Tennessee's oldest family-owned bakery?

• ALT1: ... that a Tennessee bakery survived fire, war, and the Great Depression, but had to rebrand its fruitcake? Source: https://www.sewaneemessenger.com/headlines/?post_id=2277&title=dutch-maid-bakery%3A-120-year-old-living-legend & Hobbs, Margaret (2010). "Dutch Maid Bakery Celebrates 108 Years of Traditional Baking". Southern Standard. McMinnville, Tennessee.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Valhalla (Camp Ripley)

ke4roh (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Added links to article in hook. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 16:44, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Dercy Furtado was the first woman elected to the Municipal Chamber of Porto Alegre, Brazil?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Respati Ardi

Scanlan (talk) 12:10, 9 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that actress RhonniRose Mantilla felt that her Puerto Rican heritage helped her play Anita in a production of West Side Story?

• ALT1: ... that actress RhonniRose Mantilla moved to Atlanta when she was received a role in Beyond the Gates? Source: [43]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vampires Will Never Hurt You
• Comment: Please let me know if I should suggest a different hook

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 09:02, 6 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the inaugural Neeraj Chopra Classic, a World Athletics gold javelin event held in India, was won by Neeraj Chopra himself?
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment:

Gurubrahma (talk) 05:30, 6 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

The bold-linked article currently contains 872 characters of prose, which doesn't meet the 1500 characters requirement of WP:DYKCRIT. – Editør (talk) 23:38, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Editør: I would give the nominator a chance to improve the article instead of immediately giving it the rejected status. If it still remains under 1500 after at least a week, then that's the time. JuniperChill (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I wouldn't mind that. @Gurubrahma, do you think you can further expand the article this week? – Editør (talk) 17:44, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Sure, I'll give it a shot. I am returning to this space after more than a decade and everything looks different. I used to update DYK sets and also had several noms earlier but it is gladdening to see so much professionalism now. --Gurubrahma (talk) 13:20, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Gurubrahma: Just a quick reminder, can you fix the length in the next two days or so? – Editør (talk) 21:20, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that The Republic of Nothing inspired Rush drummer Neil Peart to write a letter to the author, leading him to write his own book? Source: The Chronicle Herald: "It started out with fan letter of sorts from Neil to me concerning my novel, The Republic of Nothing ... He wrote back again, this time telling me he had written a manuscript about riding a bicycle around Cameroon. I said send it along. And he did. ... Thus, in 1996, Pottersfield published The Masked Rider"
  • Reviewed:

MediaKyle (talk) 20:10, 5 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the 2025 film Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado has the sixth Dora of the franchise Dora the Explorer?

• ALT1: ... that the 2025 film Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado is inspired by the Indiana Jones franchise? Source: "... director Belli was aiming for a vibe similar to ... "Indiana Jones" ... with multiple homages". Variety. July 1, 2025.
• ALT2: ... that the 2025 film Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado is the reboot to the franchise Dora the Explorer with redefined characters? Source: "Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado is a Reboot ... other major elements of Dora's backstory are revealed to have been significantly altered". Screen Rant. July 2, 2025.
• ALT3: ... that Boots and Swiper do not speak English in the 2025 film Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado? Source: "Boots Technically Doesn't Speak English ... Swiper Doesn't Speak At All". Screen Rant. July 3, 2025.
• Reviewed:

M. Billoo 15:21, 5 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - None of these hooks are particularly interesting. They're just generic facts about the film.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Can you come up with an interesting hook? voorts (talk/contributions) 21:25, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Voorts: Thank you for the feedback, dear admin. How about these?

• ALT4: ... that to animate the monkey in Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado, a tennis ball was used? Source
• ALT5: ... that Inca mythologies revive in Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado? Source
• Rephrase 0 and 1 into ALT6: ... that Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado's sixth Dora is inspired by Indiana Jones and Camila the Crusader? Source
• ALT7: ... that Dora's grandfather sends her messages from his afterlife in Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado? Source

Any help is most welcome, thank you! M. Billoo 04:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't think any of these are particularly interesting or unusual. Also, a tennis ball was used as a stand-in during filming, not to animate the monkey. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT8: ... that Swiper's master is revealed in Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado? Source
• ALT9: ... that actual map is not the Map in Dora and the Search for Sol Dorado, but someone else is? Source

M. Billoo 05:13, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT8 is fancruft and ALT9 is incorrect; both of the sources state that Dora is the source of the map's power, not that Dora's map is not the Map. voorts (talk/contributions) 05:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the response, dear admin. The revelation that Dora has always been the map... I am still confused how to pick up the hook, need help. M. Billoo 07:02, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that I'm an admin isn't relevant to your DYK nomination; I'm reviewing this as just another editor. Per WP:DYKHOOK: The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic. Per WP:DYKFICTION: If the subject of the hook is a creative work, the hook must be focused on a real-world fact. I'm not sure how else to explain that the hook must be "unusual or intriguing". Not every fact is "unusual or intriguing" and not every article is going to have an interesting-enough fact to qualify for DYK. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the first "dogfight" of World War I took place on 5 October 1914 in France?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gina Yoginda
• Comment: a fact about a first in military history

Moondragon21 (talk) 10:05, 5 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Not a review, but per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, given that this is a "first" claim, and quite an exceptional one at that, the sourcing has to be strong for this one to withstand scrutiny. Otherwise, a new direction is needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:43, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For now, I've struck the hook given that the sourcing in the article doesn't meet the exceptional standard needed to meet DYKHOOKCITE. @Moondragon21: Can you please propose a new hook? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:26, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ...that French pilot Joseph Frantz won the Legion of Honour for his actions on 5 October 1914? same source. Moondragon21 (talk) 17:14, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Better, but I have some reservations since it's more about Frantz than the event. I'll let a reviewer decide. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:23, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the last French soldier killed in World War I died during the Battle of Vrigne-Meuse?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jabu Mbalula
• Comment: fact about WW1

Moondragon21 (talk) 19:02, 5 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Overall, I see no reason not to approve this DYK submission. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 21:28, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JJonahJackalope and Moondragon21: I think there are two problems with the nomination.

Firstly, the hook is about a superlative (last) and the article says that some scholars dispute its accuracy. WP:DYKHOOK says Hooks with exceptional claims require exceptional sourcing. Superlative hooks such as first/biggest/most are discouraged as they are regularly debunked at ERRORS. I think a different hook should be nominated.

Secondly, the article is translated from fr:Bataille de Vrigne-Meuse, so I ran an EARWIG check and there seem to be copyright violation problems. The main contributor, Decryptys, is blocked on fr Wikipedia. TSventon (talk) 19:43, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning the first point, I felt that the source provided was sufficient, though I cannot recall reviewing a hook that dealt with an exceptional claim such as the one presented here before, so I'll defer for the time being. For the second point, I see that the Earwig check indicates a 35.1% similarity, though the tool also notes that "Violation unlikely", and additionally, a check of the English-language version of the article shows only a 2.0% similarity. I'm not sure exactly what to do about this, though I'm definitely open for further discussion with other DYK reviewers. Additionally, if the submitter can provide an ALT hook that does not raise any concerns, I could review that as well. Regards, -JJonahJackalope (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JJonahJackalope: you can approve the hook, but as the wording of WP:DYKHOOK was changed recently to discourage first/last hooks, it is likely to be disputed before it gets to the main page.

The 35.1% Earwig percentage does not tell you if there was a copyright violation or not, you need to click on "compare" for the first few items and check the detail. As the article is a close translation of the French version, a copyright violation in one is likely to mean a copyright violation in the other, which the tool won't pick up. TSventon (talk) 20:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon:, thanks for the feedback on this. Having given it some thought, I feel like it is best to err on the side of caution and request a new hook to be produced that does not (at the very least) toe the line with the DYK policy. Additionally, I'll conduct a more thorough review of the English article to see if it is likely that a copyright violation is present. I'll also ping @Moondragon21: to inform them of this discussion. Regards, -JJonahJackalope (talk) 20:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ...that by 11 November 1918 over 90 French soldiers were killed at the Battle of Vrigne-Meuse? same source. Moondragon21 (talk) 11:34, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moondragon21 and JJonahJackalope:, is the Alt1 fact correct? According to ref 2, Revue historique des armées, The losses ... during the days of 9, 10 and 11 November 1918, were 96 killed and 198 wounded [viaGoogle translate], so ref 1, the i, probably also refers to three days of casualties. Also the hook fact and reference(s) need to be included in the article. TSventon (talk) 16:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moondragon21 and TSventon: It appears that the hook has been amended to address the fact that the deaths occurred over several days. Additionally, the fact has been added to the article with proper inline citing. That being said, I'm a bit concerned that ALT1 is not consistent with the guidelines at WP:DYKINT, namely that "The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic." To be blunt, I'm not sure if the average person would find it unusual or intriguing that French soldiers were killed during a WWI battle. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The main point is that it was the last day of the war. Moondragon21 (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that, and you included a link to that in the ALT hook, but still, I don't think it's that surprising that there was a battle that had casualties during the last day of a war. Is there anything more interesting that can be used as a hook for this article? -JJonahJackalope (talk) 16:59, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it is interesting that the battle took place while the armistice was being negotiated, see reference 2, Revue historique des armées. TSventon (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

JJonahJackalope, you haven't commented on my summary of the French Earwig report. If in doubt you could ask at DYK talk. Also, some sources don't look reliable, e.g. actifforum.com, over-blog.com and wordpress.com. TSventon (talk) 17:20, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Hans Meyer was staying in a bivouac when he discovered the Drygalski Glacier?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Security and Order
• Comment: Sorry this is late - I was misled by the DYKCheck tool, which only flags articles as out of date if it's more than ten days since creation/expansion. Obviously I've been involved with DYK quite a bit in the past, but I don't submit articles very often and I made a good-faith assumption that the rules had been changed since I last submitted one.

 — Amakuru (talk) 14:36, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in 2022, a former Central African player Théophile Sonny Colé received awards for a match that was played 50 years ago?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rusiate Rogoyawa

Faldi00 (talk) 16:41, 13 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a park in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, is named after Axis official Dragutin Kamber?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Follow Me (lyme & cybelle song)

Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 13:31, 12 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Wow, spicy topic! New enough and plenty, plenty long enough. QPQ present. Hook fact checks out. I have tweaked the hook to meet MOS:GEOLINK standards. I just need the clarification needed note on All-Croatian Congress to be resolved, Amanuensis Balkanicus. Ping me when this is done. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 04:51, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sammi Brie: Done. [44] Thanks for taking a gander! Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 13:37, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Meier-Gorlin syndrome is a rare genetic disorder that causes problems with growth, underdeveloped kneecaps, and small ears?

• Reviewed:

NotCarlJohnson1992 (talk) 06:57, 8 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that when Emperor John II Komnenos wanted to visit Jerusalem, Bishop Anselm, Abbot Geoffrey, and Viscount Rohard essentially told him to pack light—or not come at all?

• ALT1: ... that Bishop Anselm, Abbot Geoffrey, and Viscount Rohard were sent on a delicate mission to the Greek emperor–but only one of them spoke Greek? Source: "He therefore sent an embassy to the emperor which consisted of Bishop Anselm of Bethlehem, Rohard, the castellan of Jerusalem, and Abbot Geoffrey, ‘skilled in the Greek language’." (Hamilton & Jotischky 2020, p. 73)
• ALT2: ... that in 1142 Bishop Anselm, Abbot Geoffrey, and Viscount Rohard were sent to delicately inform the Byzantine emperor that he was welcome in Jerusalem—just not with an army? Source: (Hamilton & Jotischky 2020, p. 73)
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Breton Civil War, 1341–1343, Template:Did you know nominations/Beautiful Chaos (EP), Template:Did you know nominations/Ahmed Issa
• Comment: I hope the Byzzie fangirls won't strike at me for this one :)

Surtsicna (talk) 10:48, 7 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that actress Montana Manning toured with Girls Aloud as part of the pop group "Cookie"?

• ALT1: ... that actress Montana Manning wanted to keep her singing separate from her acting role in Hollyoaks? Source: [46]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Morph (X-Men: The Animated Series)
• Comment: Please feel free to suggest an alternative hook

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 08:55, 6 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• These hooks are not WP:DYKINT. Maybe some alternatives will be better. Aneirinn (talk) 21:04, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also not sure if the article meets WP:DYKCOMPLETE given the complete lack of any personal information, including about her early life. If no sourcing about that can be found, then perhaps we could let that pass, but still. The article itself is rather light on details in general, but I guess the hookiest part is this:

ALT1 ... that when former girl group member Montana Manning appeared on the soap Hollyoaks, she did not want to sing as she wanted to keep her music and acting careers separate?

That's admittedly not really all that unusual in entertainment since plenty of singer-actors keep both careers separate, but this is the hookiest hook I could come up with. Maybe the article just isn't a good fit for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I could not find any personal details. My biographies are usually extremely detailed and have a lot of info but there were a lack of sources for her, although she does meet the notability criteria. I personally believed that both hooks I proposed were interesting as it is not usual for actors to go on girl groups or want to not sing in television parts. I like how @Narutolovehinata5: has changed Hook ALT1 and I am in support of that wording. I will have another look to see if I find anymore sources - I did various thorough searches before but maybe I will get lucky... DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 04:46, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: @Aneirinn: Luckily, I was about able to find an interview with her and expanded the article with more early life/personal life information and have proposed 3 more hooks. I know YouTube is not the best source but it works in an WP:ABOUTSELF way. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 02:50, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ALT2: ... that actress Montana Manning initially had a speaking role in the 2005 film Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire but it was cut?Source:[47]
• ALT3: ... that actress Montana Manning has cited Will Smith as an inspiration for refusing to swear in his films and music?Source:[48]
• ALT4: ... that actress Montana Manning only got an agent at the age of 21 despite going to weekly drama school since she was 5-years-old?Source:[49]

• ... that Mexican football manager Juan Álvarez was nicknamed the "king without a crown" after his team lost the Primera División championship due to the away goals rule?

• Reviewed: to do
• Comment: I'm a day late. Requesting an extension to eligibility per WP:DYKG: The seven-day limit can be extended for a day or two upon request. To do the QPQ within a day or two.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:24, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that it took 14 years for San Antonio to get a public radio station? Source: https://www.genealogybank.com/newspaper-clippings/national-public-radio-steps-closer-reality/pcvjieovpokfgbzlgwdhddsmppfjhopn_ip-10-166-46-85_1735509713893 14 years after https://www.genealogybank.com/newspaper-clippings/radio-support-event-planned/urlwgspsdxgynfflcyufjcaxzinazgmb_ip-10-166-46-153_1735508353350
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/223 East 25th Street
  • Comment: Hook suggestions extremely welcome.

Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 04:47, 13 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Astoria the turkey evaded a capture attempt by the NYPD?

• ALT1: ... that Astoria the turkey is named after the New York City neighborhood where she arrived in 2024? Source: [51]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fishing industry in Peru

Spaghettifier talk 01:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - The article uses the WP:NYPOST, which is a generally unreliable source.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - For ALT0, I think it would be beneficial to spell out NYPD. As for ALT1, since I'm a New Yorker, I don't know if non-New Yorkers would find it interesting that a turkey was named after a NYC neighborhood. It's not like the Mandarin Patinkin, which was named after an actor.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Spaghettifier: Nice work. I just had a few concerns above. Epicgenius (talk) 17:05, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: Heads up, the New York Post was determined to be marginally reliable for entertainment coverage in an RfC last year. ALT0a: ... that Astoria the turkey evaded a capture attempt by the New York City Police Department?--Launchballer 10:20, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, thanks for the heads up Launchballer. ALT0a is good to go if Spaghettifier is fine with it. Epicgenius (talk) 22:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that works for me. Thanks, both! Spaghettifier talk 03:38, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that one reviewer described a 2024 concert tour co-headlined by The Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer as a "Gen-X wet dream"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Vrigne-Meuse

JJonahJackalope (talk) 21:32, 7 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• This is not WP:DYKINT. Maybe some better alternative hooks can be provided. Aneirinn (talk) 03:13, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Aneirinn: Okay, what about ALT1: ... that while many reviewers described The Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer as an odd pairing, their 2024 co-headling concert tour received generally positive reviews?

This fact is well-cited in the article, with multiple sources here. Radio X BirminghamWorld Manchester Evening News Huddersfield Daily Examiner

• ... that discharge from a lock on the Bond End Canal was used to flush a sewer?

• ALT1: ... that the route of the Bond End Canal later became a railway and then a road? Source: "the route of its infilled sections can be traced through the towns simply by following Evershed Way. This road was built in the late 1980s on the route of a railway, which, in turn, had been constructed on the line of the canal" from: "The Bond End Canal". Waterways. No. 276. Summer 2022. pp. 20–22.
• ALT2: ... that in the 18th century, workers were ordered to break through the bar separating the Bond End Canal from the Trent and Mersey Canal to try to remove an impediment to trade? Source: "the promoters of the T&M refused to allow a connection between the two canals. As usch the Shobnall Bar cam into being ... this required goods to be transhipped between boards on either side of the bar at what is now Shobnall Basin. This proved such an inconvenience that one night the Burton Boat Co attempted to break through the Shobnall Bar" from:: "The Bond End Canal". Waterways. No. 276. Summer 2022. pp. 20–22. the canal was built in 1775 and the bar was replaced with a lock in 1794
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Public Facility Maintenance Agency

Dumelow (talk) 20:30, 7 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that academic Alaíde Foppa had a brief romantic relationship with Guatemalan President Juan José Arévalo?

• ALT1: ... that Alaíde Foppa taught the first class on women's sociology at a Latin American university?"
• Source: At the School of Political Science, she offered the first course on the sociology of women ever to be offered at a Latin American university." [52]
• ALT2: ... that Alaíde Foppa speaks on behalf of all women in her poem "Ella se siente"?
• Source: "In this poem ["Ella se siente"], using the personal pronoun Ella, which serves as the subject, Foppa refers to every woman who exists and has existed on earth and speaks of her state of mind, a state of mind universally shared by individuals of the female sex." (Cocco 2023, p. 23)
• ALT3: ... that according to Elena Poniatowska, Alaíde Foppa lived in 58 different houses throughout her life?
• Source: "She tells them that she has lived in 58 houses in her life..." (Poniatowska 1990, p. 8)
• Reviewed:

Spookyaki (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: not to be that one friend that's too woke, but surely this brilliant and accomplished woman could have a hook better than one about a romantic relationship? jolielover♥talk 18:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's fair. Did think of that after I made the nomination. I don't know if there's anything else in the article that's quite as hooky/would inspire as many clicks (which is of secondary importance) that isn't related to her disappearance, which I think would be even worse, but I'll go ahead and add some alts. Hopefully these better reflect her life and individual agency as a person. Spookyaki (talk) 20:07, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the one of the blue stripes on the Flag of El Salvador (pictured) represents the Atlantic Ocean despite El Salvador not having a coastline on it?

• ALT1: ... that the Flag of El Salvador (pictured) has an official aspect ratio of 189:335? Source: "Pabellón o Bandera" [Pavilion or Flag]. Legislative Assembly of El Salvador (in Spanish). Archived from the original on 6 June 2017. Retrieved 17 May 2025.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Letard II
• Comment: Source on the first hook doesn't say that El Salvador doesn't border the Atlantic, but like, it objectively doesn't.

PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 16:39, 7 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that wrestler Din Mohammad celebrated his gold medal at the Asian Games by riding an elephant?

• ALT1: ... that after becoming Pakistan's first international gold medalist, wrestler Din Mohammad lived in obscurity in a house of mud? Source: Aslam, Neelam (26 December 2020). "The tragic story of Pakistan's first every [sic] gold medalist". The Blindside. Archived from the original on 26 December 2020 – via Wayback Machine.
• Reviewed:
• Comment: To do QPQ within a day or two.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:30, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Andrey Zaliznyak (pictured) invented self-contained linguistic puzzles that required no prior language knowledge to solve? Source: [53] "In 1963, Zaliznyak published the paper called “Linguistic problems” (Zaliznyak 1963). In this paper, he described a novel genre of exercises for introductory courses in linguistics — self-contained linguistic problems. They were intended not as a pure exercise in logic, but also as a testing ground for structuralist ideas of how language works."
  • ALT1: ... that Andrey Zaliznyak's (pictured) analysis of medieval birchbark letters led to the discovery of the Old Novgorod dialect? Source: [54] "Another major contribution to the linguistic history of the Slavic languages is The Old Novgorod Dialect (Zaliznyak 1995/2004), a description of the until then unknown – or perhaps undescribed – linguistic variety."
  • ALT2: ... that Andrey Zaliznyak (pictured) was sent to study in France not because of his French language skills, but because Soviet authorities didn't trust women to be sent abroad as exchange students? Source: [55] "Почему при наличии целого французского отделения выбрали меня, студента английского отделения? Ответ я узнал много позднее. Он оказался совершенно советским: ни на одном из пяти курсов во французской группе не было ни одного мужчины! А в разнарядке от высшего начальства значился мужчина: девицы считались слишком ненадежным человеческим материалом для посылки за границу." Google translate: "Why, when there was a whole French department, did they choose me, a student from the English department? I learned the answer much later. It turned out to be completely Soviet: there was not a single man in the French group in any of the five courses! And the order from the top brass included a man: girls were considered too unreliable human material to be sent abroad."
  • Reviewed:

Artem.G (talk) 15:03, 14 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Megatron restaurant was reported to police as a UFO when it first opened?

• ALT1: ... that customers at this futuristic spaceship restaurant could order meals via touchscreen as early as 1990? Source: "The Alconbury McDonald's kept a remnant of its predecessor's futuristic legacy - a trailblazing computer ordering system. It's now commonplace in Maccies to order on a screen, but in the 90s this was revolutionary stuff." https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/mcdonalds-ufo-spaceship-alconbury-restaurant-19971168
• Reviewed:

Sleuthin' Sarandon (talk) 21:25, 8 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that North America sells the most marmalade having 35% of world sales?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Marmalade

Floating Orb (talk) 17:38, 8 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Greetings Floating Orb, and thank you for your work in making marmalade a good article. As you may be new to DYK, I highly recommend reading through the supplementary guidelines. Is the page number for the book that is cited known? The hook may also be considered exceptional, so a second source for it may be needed. Aneirinn (talk) 20:00, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Aneirinn! I fixed it with a new citation. Floating Orb (talk) 24:05, 8 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

I am having some difficulty accessing it to find where the citation supports the hook. Can you quote what is being cited from The New York Times that supports the hook's claim that the Scottish in the 18th century added water to marmalade to produce a less solid preserve than before? Aneirinn (talk) 08:04, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Aneirinn, I fixed it.

• ... that San Diego's Pioneer Park, now home to a playground and tennis courts, was once a Catholic cemetery—its headstones mostly removed, but the 800 bodies never exhumed?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: This is my first DYK nomination, not completely sure if I am doing it right.

Issac I Navarro (talk) 16:34, 8 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: @Issac I Navarro: Great job on your first nom! I see very minor issues that are easy to fix: 1) You've got so many great opportunities for hooks. Have you thought about offering a few more? Your ALT0 is a good start but there's a few ways to make it punchier and hookier. The first thing that comes to mind is not beating around the bush and just saying the park is built above 800 bodies, mostly unknown because their records were destroyed in a fire, etc. So many different ways to do it; maybe play around with three just to see what you can come up with. 2) I would delete the material about the "paranormal" as it's just pure nonsense that was added by the reporter for laughs. There's no such thing as an electromagnetic field reader that is a "paranormal investigative device". Those things have been debunked for decades. Also, while it is fun to say things like "reputed to be haunted, with reports of spectral apparitions and unexplained phenomena", they aren't really a good fit here. People say that about everything. I would also delete the bit about doing donuts in the park. Vandals do that in grassy parks all over the world; it's not special or interesting or encyclopedic. Just my opinion, but keep in mind, the most important part of writing an encyclopedia article isn't what you add, it's what you remove. Viriditas (talk) 09:58, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: That is incredibly helpful. I am most grateful for your thoughts on my initial DYK nomination. Following your counsel, I have crafted several sharper hooks to engage readers more directly.

• San Diego’s Pioneer Park was once a cemetery, beneath which over 800 bodies still rest unexhumed.
• More than 800 unexhumed bodies lie beneath San Diego’s Pioneer Park, now it's a public park
• Pioneer Park in San Diego sits atop the remains of a long-forgotten Catholic cemetery, whose records were lost in a fire and whose bodies remain beneath the public park.

Additionally, I’ve removed the paranormal claims and the vandalism anecdote, as they lack the tone expected in an encyclopedia. That said, many locals believe the park is haunted—much like the reputed haunting of the Hotel del Coronado by Kate Morgan. While such claims are presently excluded, might a well-sourced cultural or folkloric perspective warrant inclusion in future revisions? Anyways, as it stands now, I hope the revised article now better meets the standard expected.

The "haunting" of the Hotel del Coronado is a tourist attraction unique to that property. It is used by that business to draw attention, likely for children of the guests. It deserves to be mentioned in the article about the hotel because it is part of their history. That said, the sources for it are generally primary, with scattered news accounts, but it's probably fine for now. You can see how I handled a ghost story of historical proportions over at Sketches of the Life of the Great Priest in this section. It's important to the article because it is based on a long religious, artistic, and literary tradition that eventually made its way all the way to the theatre, so it is well established. Is the relationship between ghost stories and the Pioneer Park as established as the Hotel? I didn't get that impression from the sources used, but perhaps you have better ones? Viriditas (talk) 23:30, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: Ah, yes—that makes perfect sense, and I appreciate the distinction you've drawn. I agree entirely that Pioneer Park’s spectral reputation lacks the historical and cultural weight to warrant inclusion, at least at present.

That said, while it’s certainly not notable or appropriate for the article as it stands, I did stumble upon a Reddit thread discussing supposed hauntings: Ghost at Pioneer Park. Nothing of substance there, of course—pure anecdote—but it seems the notion persists in popular lore of locals here in San Diego.

Similarly, I saw that local ghost tours (like Ghosts & Gravestones) reference the site in their routes. I personally have never been on it, but it seems like a thing tourists go on. It is the San Diego sightseeing tours Old Town Trolley; this website mentions ghosts, however, as you point out, nothing all that reliable. Years ago, I also recall watching a program—perhaps on PBS—titled Hidden Places or something akin to that, which featured the park. Alas, I’ve yet to find any trace of the episode online. This might be the video: https://www.pbs.org/video/ken-kramers-about-san-diego-thursday-june-24-2010/, yet I am unsure, I feel that it was a full segment that mentions ghost sightings.

@Issac I Navarro: Let's keep it simple: are there any ghost sightings of any named people who were buried there? That would be the first thing I would look for in terms of inclusion. If you know the name of someone who was buried there that was said to have haunted the site, I would move that to the top of my list. If not, general statements like "it's haunted" sourced to so-called "paranormal enthusiasts" aren't very helpful, IMO. Bonus points: can you find the name of someone from a local or state historical society that says there are stories over time about the place being haunted? I would accept that. Viriditas (talk) 00:56, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Mikhl Gordon's song Di bord humorously depicts a woman grieving her husband's shaved beard?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/On Eagles Wings 2

 Ploni^💬  14:51, 8 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Unfortunately, while the hook is interesting, it does not meet WP:DYKFICTION as currently written as it is about an in-universe depiction of a fictional event (in this case, it's talking about the in-song woman and her husband's beard). As much as I would like to IAR approve the hook, it would get scrutiny from other editors and would be unlikely to survive. As such, a new hook is needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Fair enough—how about one of the following?  Ploni^💬  02:05, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Mikhl Gordon's first collection under his real name wasn't published until 1889, just a year before his death? (Source:  Rosenthal, Herman; Zametkin, M. (1904). "Gordon, Michel". In Singer, Isidore; et al. (eds.). The Jewish Encyclopedia. Vol. 6. New York: Funk & Wagnalls. p. 48.)

ALT2: ... that Yiddish poet Mikhl Gordon was the brother-in-law and early mentor of Hebrew poet Judah Leib Gordon? (Source: Stanislawski, Michael (1988). For Whom Do I Toil?: Judah Leib Gordon and the Crisis of Russian Jewry. Studies in Jewish History. New York: Oxford University Press. pp. 14–17, 162–163.)

• ... that in the novel Vera, or Faith there is a proposed constitutional amendment for an enhanced ballot that counts as five-thirds of a regular vote for so-called "exceptional Americans"?

• ALT1: ... that in the novel Vera, or Faith the family owns a self-driving car called Stella and an AI chessboard named Kaspie? Source: Winik, Marion. "Review: Get ready to fall in love with the title character of 'Vera, or Faith'". Minnesota Star Tribune. Retrieved July 9, 2025. [57].
• Reviewed:
• Comment: Changed my mind. If possible, I would like this nomination to proceed. Sorry about that.

Steve Quinn (talk) 21:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Brazilian troops captured more than 3,000 women after the Battle of Tupí-hú?

• ALT1: ... that 18 guns, gold and silver, thousands of heads of cattle and more than 3000 women were captured after the Battle of Tupí-hú? Source: Doratioto, Francisco (2002). Maldita Guerra: Nova história da Guerra do Paraguai (in Portuguese) (2 ed.). São Paulo: Companhia das Letras. ISBN 978-65-5921-286-6. Pages 403-404.
• Reviewed:
• Comment: I can transcribe/translate the relevant paragraphs from the sources listed upon request.

Coeusin (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the name of the 8th century Ranjatai incense wood is was chosen so that the kanji of Todai-ji can fit in its name?

• ALT1: ... that the 8th century log of agarwood was enjoyed as incense for over a millennia by Japanese leaders, including Oda Nobunaga and Emperor Meiji? Source: Ōhashi, Katsuaki; Matsuhara, Satomi; Kataoka, Naoki (2020). Shōsōin hōmotsu no kagayaki =: Great treasures of the Shosoin (Shohan ed.). Tōkyō: Ribun Shuppan.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bath fire station

NeverBeGameOver (talk) 21:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Azealia Banks posted an Instagram story calling Irish women "ugly", and later likened them to Oompa-Loompas?

• ALT1: ... that Azealia Banks posted a text conversation where she says Grimes smells like "a roll of nickels"? Source: ^[4]
• ALT2: ... that Azealia Banks posted a video on Instagram of her exhuming her pet cat? Source: ^[5][6]
• Reviewed:

1dagsvlieg (talk) 16:05, 10 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• @1dagsvlieg: Not convinced any of the above meet WP:DYKBLP; I suggest finding something more general.--Launchballer 21:37, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• @Launchballer: Thanks so much, you're right! How about something like this? - 1dagsvlieg
  • ALT3: ... that Azealia Banks has become more notable for her social media activity than her music? Source: ^[7][8]

That's better, although the article attributes the claim to Complex and the hook puts it in wikivoice.--Launchballer 22:19, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A similar claim is attributed to Billboard later in the article, but it in and of itself is subjective, so I'll put this: - 1dagsvlieg

• ALT4: ... that Complex claims Azealia Banks has become more notable for her social media activity than her music? Source: ^[7]

I'd simply attribute 'one outlet', but I'll let an actual reviewer adjudicate.--Launchballer 10:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Baldwin, a crusader who became the first archbishop of Caesarea, allegedly confessed to faking a divine sign by carving a cross into his forehead?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rini Widyantini

Surtsicna (talk) 08:44, 10 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Review: Thank you for creating an interesting new article and an interesting hook. The article is new enough and just long enough, and does not appear to have any AI content. The cited sources are reliable sources, but are books that are not online, so I am AGFing about their content. Earwig (not surprisingly, for offline sources) finds no copyvios, and I verified this by Googling passages from the page and finding no matches. QPQ is done. The subject matter is encyclopedic and presented in an NPOV manner, and I found it interesting to read.

I have a couple of points that I would like to have addressed; none is particularly serious.

1. The first sentence (ie, lead paragraph) ought to have an inline citation at the end of the sentence. Reference #1 should be fine for that.
2. It would be good if that first sentence also indicated the dates when he began as archbishop (I presume 1101, when the king named him) and when he stopped (presumably his death, in 1108). It's fine to indicate that these dates are approximate.
3. I'm confused about the last two sentences of the second paragraph. The first of these sentences says that Baldwin was the first abbot of Jehosaphat, but the second sentence says that the first abbot might have been Hugh. Please revise this to clarify the issue. Does the uncertainty over whether or not Hugh received money have something to do with it?
4. I like the hook very much, but perhaps it could be shortened a bit:

ALT1:

• ... that Baldwin, the first archbishop of Caesarea, allegedly confessed to faking a divine sign by carving a cross into his forehead?

--Tryptofish (talk) 22:03, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Green Bay Packers victory in the 1997 NFC Championship Game was the third straight year that they beat the San Francisco 49ers in the playoffs?

• Reviewed: PJ Judge

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the Armenian adventurer Altuntash was blinded by ambition—and then literally too?

• ALT1: ... that the Armenian adventurer Altuntash did not want to see Damascus above him, only to end his days in Damascus not seeing anything at all? Source: (Runciman 1952, pp. 242-3)
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Claude-Charles Bourgonnier
• Comment: This might be the closest I've ever got to the DYK character minimum, but I promise the article is comprehensive :D

Surtsicna (talk) 13:50, 9 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Hello! Unfortunatly, I blieve both hooks have issues with mantaining an enclopedic tone. To me, both are poetic by combining the physical state of blindness with metaphorical blindness and presenting both as factual. The first hook is also a reach from the source, in my opinion, as the text is the opinion of the author who only refers to the seemingly bad plan. The second hook also does not make much sense to me. What does,Did not want to see Damascus above him mean? Also, the article never explains how he was an adventurer, and the claim is not referenced. I am also a bit confused by the line, instead informed Unur that their army would restore Altuntash in the article. Does that mean Queen Melisende would restore Altuntash's subservience to Unur? Please ping me if you find a new hook! GGOTCC 20:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, GGOTCC. I may have got carried away a bit here! Nicolle defines him as an adventurer. I have put a citation there. I have also clarified the restoration bit. Here is a toned-down proposal:

ALT2: that Altuntash, a former slave-soldier, nearly redrew the political map of southern Syria—until his wife surrendered to his enemies?

Surtsicna (talk) 08:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a line Pelé delivered in the 1980 movie Os Trombadinhas went viral as a meme in Brazil?

• Reviewed:

Cassilvwikis (talk) 04:06, 9 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that sources don't know with certainty when or why university students began throwing shoes onto the Shoe Tree in Minneapolis? Source: [58]
  • ALT1: ... that the only known shoe tree in Minnesota is along the Mississippi River? Source: [59]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gabriel M'Boa

Bsoyka (t • c • g) 04:00, 9 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that literary scholar Mitzi Myers tried rescuing her library as it burned in a house fire? Source: when a fire ripped through Mitzi Myers' Fullerton home in August 2000, she repeatedly reentered the burning house to save her precious books.
  • ALT1: ... that literary scholar Mitzi Myers lost her four Maria Edgeworth manuscripts in a house fire? Source: Most of the books were lost, along with the manuscripts for two books she was writing and two other volumes she was editing ... When the fire destroyed her home, Myers was writing two books about Edgeworth and editing an annotated version of two Edgeworth novels.
  • ALT2: ... that literary scholar Mitzi Myers lost her four Maria Edgeworth manuscripts in a house fire, and eventually her life? Source: ALT1 + Myers ... died at her home in Anaheim Hills on Nov. 5 of complications from the pneumonia she contracted in the wake of the fire that left her disabled
  • ALT3: ... that Mitzi Myers extended the start of children's literature beyond the 1865 publication of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland? Source: Said Andrea Immel, curator of the Cotsen Children's Library at Princeton and a friend of Myers: "Of her many contributions, I'd say perhaps the most important is that she showed that children's literature had a long history--that modern children's literature did not begin in 1865 with the appearance of Lewis Carroll's 'Alice in Wonderland.' "
  • ALT4: ... that literary scholar Mitzi Myers encouraged the study of book copy defacements as "the hidden history of childhood"? Source: "Rips, dirt, spills, uncensored comments, drawings and scribbles, rude jokes and missing pages--in these 'defacements' we discover the hidden history of childhood," she wrote in a paper presented to the Modern Language Assn. last December.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Don Elliot Heald

ミラP@Miraclepine 16:44, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Qla', a ruin located in the Samarian highlands of what is now the West Bank, was a royal production center of the Kingdom of Israel in the 8th century BCE?

• ALT1: ... that in the 8th century BCE, the Kingdom of Israel operated a royal production center at Qla', a site in today's West Bank? Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
• ALT2: ... that Qla', located in what is now the West Bank, was a royal center for olive oil and wine production in the Kingdom of Israel during the 8th century BCE? Source: Eitam, David; Lederman, Zvi; Kleiman, Assaf (2024-01-02). "Qlaʿ: A Royal Oil- and Wine-Production Centre in the Kingdom of Israel". Tel Aviv. 51 (1): 18–19. doi:10.1080/03344355.2024.2327798. ISSN 0334-4355.
• Reviewed:

ADeeperUnderstanding (talk) 16:22, 11 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the sound made by the 1995 Gdańsk gas explosion was heard from 1.5 kilometres (0.93 miles) away?

• Reviewed:
• Comment: This book sadly does not appear to have an immediate avenue of accessing it online so I can't provide a direct quote.

Luxtaythe2nd (_{Talk to me...}) 08:19, 11 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• @Luxtaythe2nd: Hello, and welcome to DYK! Unfortunatly, this hook has some issues with WP:DYKINT, as a gas explosion being heard from a mile away is not an unusual/interesting fact. Similar incidents are common worldwide, and similar explosions are audible from significantly greater distances. Could there be a different hook you could propose instead? Please ping me if you have one! GGOTCC 20:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @GGOTCC: Alright, here's a new one:

... that a living cat was found among debris—crushed twice by several floors of an apartment building—in the aftermath of the 1995 Gdańsk gas explosion? Source: [60] "Oprócz zwłok kilku kolejnych ofiar katastrofy gdańskiego wieżowca ratownicy natrafili na żywe zwierzęta - kota [...]."

Note, the first time it was crushed it was because of the weight of the building collapsing onto the lower floors after the original gas explosion, and then the building collapsed straight down onto that debris again when the unsafe remnants were detonated. Luxtaythe2nd (_{Talk to me...}) 21:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• • Although I think the structure may imply that the cat was crushed... here's an alternative:

... that a living cat was found among debris which had been crushed twice by several floors of an apartment building as a result of the 1995 Gdańsk gas explosion? Source: [61] "Oprócz zwłok kilku kolejnych ofiar katastrofy gdańskiego wieżowca ratownicy natrafili na żywe zwierzęta - kota [...]."

Luxtaythe2nd (_{Talk to me...}) 22:03, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that plans for a fraternity building designed by Mies van der Rohe were forgotten for nearly half a century after Mies died? Source: Volner, Ian (March 18, 2022). "A Resurfaced Mies van der Rohe Design Has Finally Been Built". Architectural Digest.
  • ALT1: ... that a university building designed by Mies van der Rohe was not built until a half-century after the architect died? Source: Volner, Ian (March 18, 2022). "A Resurfaced Mies van der Rohe Design Has Finally Been Built". Architectural Digest.
  • ALT2: ... that Indiana University Bloomington's Mies Building was described as "the Farnsworth House on steroids"? Source: Loos, Ted (September 22, 2021). "The Case of the Missing Mies van der Rohe". The Wall Street Journal.
  • ALT3: ... that plans for an unbuilt building designed by Mies van der Rohe were so obscure that Mies's grandson said he had never heard of them? Source: Loos, Ted (September 22, 2021). "The Case of the Missing Mies van der Rohe". The Wall Street Journal.
  • ALT4: ... that the floor slabs of Indiana University Bloomington's Mies Building were thinned to accommodate mechanical systems? Source: Marani, Matthew (August 4, 2021). "Thomas Phifer and Partners revives an unbuilt Mies van der Rohe project in Indiana". The Architect’s Newspaper. "A great challenge for our team was to incorporate modern infrastructure without increasing the 15-inch floor system depth. In fact, we reduced the floor ‘sandwich’ by one inch"
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Cynoscephalae (364 BCE)

Epicgenius (talk) 17:29, 10 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Swertia japonica is the most bitter Japanese herb?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nobara Kugisaki
• Comment: This is my first time writting an article about a plant and even something related to medicine, If I ever make some mistakes kindly tell me how to fix it.

Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• The article is new enough, and long enough. I did not find any close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done. Referencing is largely alright except for one part (I will get to it later). However, the article is not ready for primetime. Firstly, it needs a copy edit as it is full of grammatical errors. Second, the claim that it is the most bitter Japanese herb is unreferenced. Thirdly, even if it was referenced, it would likely not meet WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE due to it being a superlative claim (i.e. "most bitter"), and such a claim requires exceptional sourcing to withstand scrutiny. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I've done minor changes such as copyediting and source that one bit. Also, can this be a good ALT1.

ALT1: ... that Swertia japonica is one of the most popular Japanese herbs despite being one of the most bitter?

Source is the same this. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 02:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Most popular" is also a superlative hook and thus requires strong sourcing. I'm also not comfortable stating such a claim in Wikivoice in a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:20, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: ALT2: ... that Swertia japonica is a popular Japanese herb despite being bitter? Is this better? I've dropped the superlative one. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 13:24, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry if this may sound like nitpicking, but I'm not sure if even that would survive scrutiny given WP:WIKIVOICE concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:34, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: ALT3: ... that Swertia japonica was used as an insecticide for clothes during the Edo Period?

ALT4: ... that a mixture of glue and Swertia japonica was used during the Edo Period to protect byōbu from insect?

both of the hook is source: Toho UniversityThe Phamaceutical Society of Japan. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:00, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 is okay. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:59, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that goo from a ship might contain a newly-discovered life form?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Baldwin I (archbishop of Caesarea)

Tryptofish (talk) 22:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Mary Ellen Cable established one of the first "fresh air" classrooms to serve Black students during the tuberculosis epidemic?

• Reviewed:

Kacey49ers (talk) 19:05, 14 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Arthur J. Ruhlig was the first person to record observations of deuterium-tritium fusion? Source: "A Los Alamos collaboration has replicated an important but largely forgotten physics experiment: the first deuterium-tritium (DT) fusion observation. As described in Physical Review C, the reworking of the previously unheralded experiment confirmed the role of University of Michigan physicist Arthur Ruhlig, whose 1938 experiment and observation of deuterium-tritium fusion likely planted the seed for a physics process that informs national security work and nuclear energy research to this day." [64]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Brown (brothel owner)

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:48, 12 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: not planning on reviewing, but I have to ask if "observations of observations of" is a typo, or was he actually seeing it to the second power? Roast (talk) 21:08, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• My bad. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:19, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• New enough, along enough, Earwig brings up some longish passages that are beyond what I would expect. For example He graduated from high school in Fort Wayne, Indiana, They remained married until her death in 2001, and diagnostic group responsible for amplifiers and transmission lines Can you check your paraphrasing again? --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 07:12, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Tweaked a word here and there. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:21, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the cover of Westside Gunn's 10 depicts a wheelchair-bound homeless man wearing $500,000 of jewelry?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tesla Diner & Drive-In
  • Comment: Source 1 (AllHipHop) is considered reliable (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources).

Source 2 (Alternative Press (magazine)) is undiscussed. Though, the article's author has written for many other sources, including Rolling Stone; he's established. Source 3 (HipHopDX) is considered reliable (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources).

Possible changes to hook: Eastside Flip's cocaine dependency could be mentioned in the hook, but that seems too grim for the front page. That or his freestyling. "$500,000" could also be changed to "US$500,000" to internationalize.

Other: Should've used SOHA, but if this gets accepted, I'd suggest holding it until July 27, Gunn's birthday.

Roast (talk) 03:04, 12 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a dam in Madura Island started construction in 1980, triggered a violent incident in 1993, and was only opened in 2016? Source: [65]: 1980; [66]: 2016; 1993 is the rest of the article
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Condoman
  • Comment: -

Juxlos (talk) 08:11, 11 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the flatbread luchi is typically five to six inches in diameter, but a version served in one village is as small as one inch?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Champaud
• Comment: I will note, I partially translated this article from the Bengali Wikipedia, which cites some sources I cannot access online. I have submitted a WP:RX request to access the cited pages, but it's unlikely I'll access it within one week, so this DYK will have to involve some heavy AGF.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 19:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the 1844 murder of Charlotte Dymond is a part of Cornish folklore?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Episode 11,145
• Comment: Notorious 19th century crime

Moondragon21 (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Comment: If you don't mind, might suggest an alt hook I find more interesting?

  ALT1: ... that the 1844 murder of Charlotte Dymond inspired poetry, songs, and ghost stories? source: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1456077?section=official-list-entry

• ... that Jane Remover's fanbase created a faux backstory for the side project that the album Ghostholding was released under?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Serenity Cox

Locust member (talk) 16:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Jacqueline Wilson wrote Rent a Bridesmaid (2016) to reflect the "current craze" for weddings?

• ALT1: ... that Rent a Bridesmaid is the 104th book Jacqueline Wilson has written? Source: [69]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nadeesha Uyangoda
• Comment: Please let me know if I should suggest another hook

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 20:03, 14 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that children's novel The Butterfly Club was borrowed 1786 times between April 2015 and March 2016 from Surrey's 52 libraries?

• ALT1: ... that the cover of children's novel The Butterfly Club was recreated using 7500 Loom bands? Source: [71]
• ALT2: ... that children's novel The Butterfly Club was the seventh most borrowed Children's fiction book borrowed from Surrey's 52 libraries between April 2015 and March 2016? Source: [72]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nora Helmer
• Comment: Let me know if I should propose another hook

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 18:53, 13 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that although Moira Deeming came from a family of union leaders and card-carrying Labor Party members, she represents the Liberal Party in the Parliament of Victoria? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20230513084258/https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/02/moira-deeming-former-labor-party-princess/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230516002031/https://qnews.com.au/vic-libs-to-expel-moira-deeming-over-anti-trans-rally/
• ALT1: ... that Moira Deeming won a lawsuit against John Pesutto after he implied that she associated with neo-Nazis? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20250417074947/https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/moira-deeming-promoted-in-state-liberals-shadow-ministry-stoking-tensions-over-pesutto-s-fate-20250417-p5lslq.html
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Horace Niall

TarnishedPath^talk 10:22, 13 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• I don't think ALT1 is a good idea. Probably best to avoid a hook mentioning the defamation lawsuit. Steelkamp (talk) 13:49, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that The Kage is being eliminated? Source: https://utahnewsdispatch.com/2025/06/06/utah-universities-show-plans-to-cut-inefficient-programs-to-boost-engineering-ai-and-nursing/ (Station name is not in this article but is in the still-live station website)
  • ALT1: ... that The Kage is headed for the elimination chamber? Source: (Same)
  • ALT2: ... that a Utah radio station was found to not be educational enough? Source: https://digitalcollections.snow.edu/viewer/2098/?offset=52#page=1&viewer=picture&o=&n=0&q=
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Henri Elendé
  • Comment: ALT1 may be quite the quirky (designed to be a play on wrestling WWE Elimination Chamber), but it also will likely end up being changed to past tense if we have to wait until April 1 to run it. If we do, the article title will be KUCU by then. ALT2 is my last resort?

Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 04:39, 13 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that actress Jessica Ellis was happy that her character was killed off in Hollyoaks as she was able to look forward?

• ALT1: ... that actress Jessica Ellis has a phobia of ears? Source: Bayley, Nikki (27 January – 2 February 2018). "You ask...they answer! Jessica Ellis". Inside Soap. No. 4. pp. 54–55.
• ALT2: ... that actress Jessica Ellis struggles to have sympathy for other people when they are unwell as she does not get sick often? Source: Bayley, Nikki (27 January – 2 February 2018). "You ask...they answer! Jessica Ellis". Inside Soap. No. 4. pp. 54–55.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hester Leggatt
• Comment: Let me know if I should propose another hook. I can send a screenshot of the magazine interview verifying ALT1 and ALT2 via email for verification.

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 01:45, 16 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that in Burundi, there is a belief that healers can perform temporary abortions?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Westhope

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 18:39, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that after the Boston Central Library opened to the public, it took more than two decades to complete the decorations? Source: Whitehill, Walter Muir (1956). Boston Public Library : a Centennial History. Cambridge MA: Harvard University Press. pp. 191-192
  • ALT1: ... that a list of names inscribed on the Boston Central Library had to be removed because they formed an acrostic? Source: Whitehill 1956, pp. 156–157.
  • ALT2: ... that a quarry that had supplied stone for the original Boston Central Library was reopened to supply stone for its annex? Source: Rosenbloom, Joseph (December 12, 1972). "Boston dedicates library annex—massive 10-floor edifice of books". Boston Globe. p. 3.
  • ALT3: ... that the architectural style of the Boston Central Library's McKim Building was influenced by a set of New York houses? Source: Boston Public Library; Boston Landmarks Commission Study Report (PDF) (Report). Boston Landmarks Commission. December 12, 2000. p. 40.
  • ALT4: ... that the two sections of the Boston Central Library were compared to "an elephant squiring a gazelle" down the street? Source: Campbell, Robert (May 21, 1991). "At Kennedy Library, new wing's a winner". Boston Globe.
  • ALT5: ... that work on the Boston Central Library's foundations began before plans were complete, because the Boston Public Library would otherwise have lost the site? Source: Whitehill 1956, p. 139.
  • ALT6: ... that work on the Boston Central Library's foundations began the day the Boston Public Library was set to lose the site? Source: Whitehill 1956, p. 139.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Melanzane al cioccolato
  • Comment: Thanks to LEvalyn for suggesting some of the hooks.

Epicgenius (talk) 03:22, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Darth Vader attempted to run for president of Ukraine in 2014?

• Comment: This is intended for WP:DYKAPRIL.

ZLEA _T\^C 17:24, 14 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that actress Ashling O'Shea found joining the cast of Hollyoaks "surreal" as she had grown up watching the soap?

• ALT1: ... that the Irish play Eris was one of Ashling O'Shea's favourites due to being half-Irish herself? Source: [76]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Genora Johnson Dollinger
• Comment: Please let me know if I should suggest another hook

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 11:06, 14 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Vvink Angelika was behind the composition of Bini single "Pantropiko"?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chocolate in savory cooking

ROY is WAR Talk! 12:39, 14 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that the coming out scene in Episode 4778 of the British soap opera EastEnders encouraged LGBTQ+ men to come out?

• ALT1: ... that the coming out scene in Episode 4778 of the British soap opera EastEnders won EastEnders "Media Recognition Award" at the 2014 Attitude Awards? Source: [78]
• ALT2: ... that Danny Dyer was proud of the coming out scene in Episode 4778 of the British soap opera EastEnders which he was involved in? Source: [79]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/List of Olympic Villages
• Comment: Let me know if I should suggest another hook

DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 01:34, 16 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Louis Tomlinson has the most songwriting credits in One Direction's discography?

• ALT1: ... that Louis Tomlinson has songwriting credits for Exo, Blackbear, and his former band One Direction? Source: Exo: ASCAP
  Blackbear: ASCAP
  One Direction: BMI
• ALT2: ... that Louis Tomlinson has writing credits for 7 songs that have appeared in the top 10 of the UK Singles chart? Source: 1D, LT
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Iranian external operations

jolielover♥talk 18:48, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that Pope Paul VI ordained some 350 men as priests in a ceremony that lasted over 3 hours?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/George Zurcher
• Comment: Clarifying information on the copyright status of the image may be found at commons:Category:Photographs distributed by Associated Press

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 16:48, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that eleven Italian generals died in the last six months of the First World War, nine of them from illness?

• ALT1: ... that 11 of the 27 Italian generals who died during the First World War perished in its last six months? Source: as above
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Prince Mortimer

Dumelow (talk) 09:35, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• ... that a worker attempted to kill labor activist Luisa Moreno with an ice pick at a union meeting?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Red Tour

Spookyaki (talk) 06:45, 15 July 2025 (UTC).[reply]

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