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Template:Universal page list

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Template not used anywhere. Seems overkill — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 10:28, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. 2 weeks later still unused. Gonnym (talk) 19:06, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And it won't be used as long as the text “This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy” appears in its page. --Grufo (talk) 15:27, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Request de-nomination. According to our rules, a template should be nominated for deletion when:
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I believe it is a wise rule to implement in general, which can only benefit Wikipedia with no additional costs. Of course, once this template has been de-nominated, if after six months it meets the requirements of point #3, it can be nominated again for deletion. --Grufo (talk) 14:35, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Universal page list with custom separators

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Template not used anywhere. Seems overkill — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 10:28, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. 2 weeks later still unused. Gonnym (talk) 19:06, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And it won't be used as long as the text “This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy” appears in its page. --Grufo (talk) 15:27, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Request de-nomination. See rationale at § Template:Universal page list. --Grufo (talk) 14:35, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Infobox Chinese subpages

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Move the listed templates to the suggested location. This is an unusual case. I don't understand why these templates are all subtemplates of Template:Infobox Chinese. I was going to BOLDLY move them, but want to make sure I'm not missing something... It seems to me to somehow imply that all these languages and cultures are somehow a subset of Chinese which it totally inaccurate. Also was going to do this as a requested move but there is no way in that process to centralize the discussion, so I felt this was the best route.

Note that {{Infobox Korean}} is currently in VERY limited use (19 transclusions) as a redirect to {{Infobox Korean name}}. In order for this to work those 19 transclusions will need to first be converted to use {{Infobox Korean name}} which can easily be done in the WP:HOLDINGCELL

--Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:27, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest not. Many items using these templates are translated or referred to wikis of other languages to some extent, for many of them, the original source could be written in characters of Kanji, Hán-Nôm etc. A sudden change would cause confuse when conducting interlanguage linking and intertextual connection. HCCB3947 (talk) 07:53, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:HCCB3947 can you elaborate? Redirects would be left behind and the templates would function EXACTLY as before. All we are talking about is giving them a new name... How old this affect interlanguage linking? Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 16:42, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When people from other wikis using "translation" function to create an corresponding English item, because of the name of the template differs, the machine just won't allow them to adapt the template translation directly, EVEN IF there is a redirect left in the original, which causes inconvenience. Bi-/Multilingual Wikipedia editors would suffers. HCCB3947 (talk) 16:46, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the old template still exists, and if the relation is moved to correspond to the new template (for example here for Infobox Chinese/Arabic) the translation functionality will not be affected. It will simply grab the new template name. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 16:51, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The current naming scheme is really confusing. Need to check if Module:Infobox multi-lingual name needs updating or something. Pinging @Trappist the monk in case it does. Gonnym (talk) 19:12, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that any of these templates use Module:Infobox multi-lingual name. That may have been the intent long ago. I know that I did not finish the module's implementation. Pretty much any enthusiasm that I had for completing Module:Infobox multi-lingual name evaporated when I suffered a catastrophic computer failure and lost all of my notes about changes that I wanted/needed to make.
The documentation in Module:Infobox multi-lingual name suggests that there is some sort of support there for:
I tested {{infobox Chinese/Japanese}} in my sandbox (permalink) so there is summat there; whether it is usable, I don't know.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:41, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AeroRoutesRef

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This template generates a citation to Aeroroutes.com, which is a deprecated source per WP:AEROROUTES. Danners430 tweaks made 11:03, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - if we do delete, can we make sure we replace it with a citation needed tag where it’s removed, since this would be a reference we’re removing? Danners430 tweaks made 16:10, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The given entry at WP:AEROROUTES does not state that the source is deprecated, just that the source is a self published source and not reliable. But for that matter, the blog is based on the industry-provided OAG-publications. Are these also an unsuitable source? The Banner talk 10:28, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Climate change and health

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Unused sidebar. If added to all articles it links to during this TfD let me know, and I'll withdraw nomination. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Unused and unneeded. - Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 03:58, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have added it to some of the articles, I'd add it to more in the future but now I can't as the deletion notice ruins article layout. I think this is a useful template for an important topic. Adam Harangozó (talk) 10:47, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine to withdraw. Please add it to the rest of the articles. Navigation templates should be placed on all pages it links to per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL Gonnym (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Propose merging Template:Link if exists with Template:Auto link.
Hike395 has overhauled both templates to use Module:Link if exists based on this discussion. It would appear that now these two can be seamlessly merged with no loss of behavior and functionality. I feel that the high use count of both templates (both have over 70,000) warrants a TFD rather than just a unilateral redirect to ensure there aren't unforeseen issues.

The main question is which do we keep, and which becomes the redirect? Also documentation will have to be merged and updated. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:11, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: if both do exactly the same thing (I haven't checked, but the function calls are different. One calls "auto" and the other "lie", which their function seems different), then I'd say "Link if exists" is the better name. Both are also currently lacking in documentation, with complete parameter description missing. Gonnym (talk) 08:52, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Currently, the parameters of {{Link if exists}} and {{Auto link}} are non-overlapping (except for the first parameter, which is the title of an article that may be linked). {{Link if exists}} accepts |prefix= and |nsp=, both of which alter the namespace of the link. {{Auto link}} accepts a second parameter that is the text displayed by the template. Module:Link if exists implements the union of all of these parameters. Upon merging, both templates would accept the union of the parameters and there would only be one template not two. — hike395 (talk) 09:53, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hike395 does the new module also do what Template:Link if exists with link text wants? It's not used so no idea if this is needed, but before I send it here, just making sure. Gonnym (talk) 11:44, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: Yes, Template:Link if exists with link text implements the same behavior as the proposed merged template. I would note, however, that there are 0 mainspace transclusions of that template. — hike395 (talk) 13:53, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge I think merging to get all of the parameters in one editor-facing template is a good idea. Note that since the merge was proposed, I have added |color= and |hide_display= to Module:Link if exists to support {{Category link if exists}}. I think those parameters should appear in the new template, and we can convert {{Category link if exists}} into a wrapper template.
I would propose that we keep {{Link if exists}} as the name of the merged template, per Gonnym. — hike395 (talk) 05:03, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

China District Maps

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Very clunky and unhelpful, collapsed (see MOS:DONTHIDE) maps that blow up the Infobox when used (see Dehui for example). Each of the parent articles (for example {{Changchun districts}} → Changchun) has a much better version of the map in the body of the article. Do not need a map showing all the neighboring districts in each subsequent article. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:21, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox KR place

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Total of 5 article transclusions. No need for a custom wrapper. Just use {{Infobox settlement}}. Suggest replacing the 5 uses with Infobox settlement. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:10, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox administrative region of Bangladesh

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Recently created, still unused, custom wrapper for {{Infobox settlement}}. No need for yet another wrapper. Just use Infobox settlement... Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:07, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Germany by state category navigation

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While this at first glance may seem like a good idea, in the end it will only lead to have all sibling categories from all parent categories listed at the category pages themselves as well, creating lots of unnecessary content at the top and pushing the actual category contents down.

As an example, this template is used on Category:Artists from Hamburg, and largely matches the subcats of Category:German artists by state. But there seems to be no reason why we couldn't have the same template for the other two parent cats, i.e. one with the 49 subcats of Category:German artists by populated place, and one with the 16 subcats of Category:People from Hamburg by occupation. On Category:Artists from Berlin you could have the same three, and a fourth one, with the parent Category:Arts in Berlin. The possibilities are endless, which is basically the issue. A category doesn't need boxes repeating the parent categories, that's what the parent categories are there for. Fram (talk) 16:52, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I wouldn't say it is pushing content much further than similar established templates such as {{navseasoncats}}. The basis of the template/module only works for a limited pre-defined set of search teams – it wouldn't be possible to imagine all populated places in Germany or all possible occupations to put in the base module. The possibilities are therefore not endless. The question is then whether to have templates that may repeat content from the parent category, such as this one and {{navseasoncats}}, or not, where I would say these two examples are helpful. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 17:10, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The possibilities are endless though (well, not endless, but as described), there is no requirement that these get autopopulated and they could just as well be hardcoded. And it seems weird that we have one for the other states, but not for e.g. the other occupations, as if one is more important than the other.
    As for pushing contents, perhaps I should have bundled this with worse actual examples, as e.g. shown on Category:Footballers from Puy-de-Dôme, where the actual categories are a screen down thanks to the nav template. Fram (talk) 17:34, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the France-by-department template became too big in that aspect (browsing on phone) but for the ones that are couple of rows, I wouldn't say they are problematic. While I don't understand the argument that this may legitimate the creation of any bulky template as a limited number of entries is a key component, is usage with a Foo from Foo category different from others as “occupations” is a conflicting grouping: is Category:Artists from Hamburg a worse application than Category:Cabinets of Lower Saxony, Category:21st century in Hesse, or Category:Buildings and structures in Saarland by city? Kaffet i halsen (talk) 18:41, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, facilitates navigation between a limited number of interlinked categories without taking too much of space (some larger sibling templates may be discussed separately or become hidden for mobile like navboxes). Also helpful in category maintenance such as finding poorly categorised categories and stray categories. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 18:46, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    One problem is that it seems technically impossible at the moment to put these at the bottom of category pages (similar to where navboxes are placed in articles), even though that would seem a possible compromise (still there for maintenance and for who really wants it, but not taking the place of what the page is really about, the categories themselves). Fram (talk) 09:32, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I didn't find this helpful when I came across it. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:37, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, Compared to the corresponding templates with maps in French and Chinese Wikipedia, this template facilitates a limited number of interlinked categories without taking too much of space --Htmlzycq (talk) 13:04, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Redirect category shell/meta

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as T5 by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 19:11, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unused sub-template which also isn't linked from anywhere and doesn't have documentation explaining its existence. Gonnym (talk) 11:17, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I forget why I created it but if it is not being used it is safe to delete. Aasim (話す（はなす）) 14:06, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete - WP:T5 applies... -- Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:29, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Olympic type

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Unused Olympics-related template. Gonnym (talk) 07:30, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete nice in theory but unused and unnecessary. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:54, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Request for permission links/notify

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:T5 — MusikAnimal talk 02:22, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unused probably after the parent template was converted to Lua with this edit. Gonnym (talk) 07:28, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - WP:T5 applies... --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:14, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Review forum/styles.css

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as T5 by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:06, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unused after switching to helpbox with this edit. Gonnym (talk) 07:24, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - WP:T5 applies... --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:14, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Reviewing pending changes right place

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Unused after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 07:23, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:R to diacritic/Explanation

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Unused (not transcluded) template that is linked to from a few category pages. If this is a help page and is still needed, it should be converted to one (moved to the help namespace with the redirect deleted). If it isn't needed, it should be deleted. Gonnym (talk) 07:04, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - WP:T5 applies... --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:15, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would decline a T5 for this case given how the links point to it. Izno (talk) 05:47, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Izno: educate me... Why is it not a T5? It is n unused sub template... Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:50, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say it wasn't a T5able case, but that I would decline a T5. My reason is as above. Just because something qualifies for a criterion doesn't mean it should be deleted for such. Izno (talk) 05:52, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ProvinciaIT/alpha-sort form

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Unused sub templates. Gonnym (talk) 06:59, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - WP:T5 applies... --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:15, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would decline a T5 here; these are being stored as subpages for centralization purposes probably (given their age) with the intent of being used separately. Izno (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Most populous cities in Yunnan

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This template is being used at the bottom of the article as a navigational template but isn't designed to be so. Therefore, I'm not sure what purpose this template fulfills. Logoshimpo (talk) 03:49, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]