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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. For information on retitling files, categories, and other items, see § When not to use this page.

Before moving a page or requesting a move, please review the article titling policy and the guidelines on primary topics.

Any autoconfirmed user can move a page using the "Move" option in the editing toolbar; see how to move a page for more information. If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move; for example, a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. In such cases, see § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • A page should not be moved and a new move discussion should not be opened when there is already an open move request on a talk page. Instead, please participate in the open discussion.
  • Unregistered and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are typically processed after seven days. If consensus supports the move at or after this time, a reviewer will perform it. If there is a consensus not to move the page, the request will be closed as "not moved". When consensus remains unclear, the request may be relisted to allow more time, or closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

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Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

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Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

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If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct method if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:..." or "The/This page could not be moved, for the following reason:..."

If you are here because you want an admin to approve of your new article or your proposed page move, you are in the wrong place.

  • If this is your first article and you want your draft article moved to the mainspace, please submit it for review at Articles for creation, by adding the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft or user sandbox page instead of listing it here.
  • Because you are autoconfirmed, you can move most pages yourself. Do not request technical assistance on this page if you can do it yourself.
  • If you need help determining whether it's okay to move the page to a different title, then please follow the instructions at the top of Wikipedia:Requested moves.
  • Please make sure you really need technical assistance before making a request here. In particular, if the target page is a redirect back to the source page that has only one revision, you can usually move the page normally.
  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the bottom of the list, filling in pages and reason: 
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new title|reason=edit summary for the move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

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Uncontroversial technical requests

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Requests to revert undiscussed moves

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I think the best status quo to return to would be move Lohgarh (disambiguation) to Lohgarh, returning to the status quo as of 27 June 2025. The history is a mess, but it looks like Lohgarh previously redirected to the dab page, and was the dab page was moved over the redirect per WP:MALPLACED. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:15, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The move history is Lohgarh → Lohgarh, Mohali (00:20, 22 January 2025) → Lohgarh (02:41, 26 January 2025) → Lohgarh, Zirakpur (20:36, 26 June 2025). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Contested technical requests

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But the article is still mostly about the specific compound, including the chembox. Regardless, I think this should be discussed, as the change in title is not obviously uncontroversial. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:53, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This article does not meet WP:TV and MOS:TV standards. -- Alex_21 TALK 08:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Administrator needed

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Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

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The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

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To request a single page move, click on the "Add topic" (or "New section") tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code: 

{{subst:requested move|New name|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace New name with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 12 July 2025" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the affected page:

Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

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Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code: 

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

The |1= unnamed parameter is not used. The |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

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A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected pages, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code: 

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1 (this parameter can be omitted for discussions hosted on a page that is proposed to be moved)
| new1     = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2     = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3     = New title for page 3
| reason   = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.
}}
See also: Template:Requested move/extended blank

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia with current1 set to Wikipedia and current2 set to Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article where the template is placed (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign the request with ~~~~, since the template does this automatically (so if you sign it yourself there will be two copies of your signature at the end of the request). Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of all pages that are included in your request except the one hosting the discussion, to call attention to the move discussion that is in progress and to suggest that all discussion for all of the pages included in the request should take place at that one hosting location.

For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is itself proposed to be moved, it is not necessary to include the |current1=Current title of page 1 for the page hosting the discussion, as its current title can be inferred automatically. Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace, in which case it is necessary to include |current1= to indicate the first article to be moved.

If you have to update a RM from a single move to multiple moves, you need to add the following parameters to the {{requested move/dated}} template call:

  • |multiple=yes
  • |current1=Current title of page 1

Request all associated moves explicitly

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Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

If a disambiguation page is in the way of a move, the request may be completed as proposing to add (disambiguation).

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 12 July 2025

Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 17:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 12 July 2025

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 17:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 12 July 2025

Wikipedia:Requested moves → New – why Example (talk) 17:21, 12 July 2025‎ (UTC)[reply]

Survey
Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Discussion
Any additional comments:



This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 12 July 2025

– why Example (talk) 17:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 12 July 2025

– why Example (talk) 17:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Commenting on a requested move

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All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

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Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

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Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting should be done using {{subst:RM relist}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.

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  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement appears on the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

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This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 119 discussions have been relisted.

July 12, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – Shriram Lagoo → Shreeram LagooShreeram Lagoo – This was first moved [4] by @NAKHISM with the rationale "Misspelled: disambiguation needed". That was reverted [5] by @Rotideypoc41352, apparently after an IP request at RM/TR, with the intention of opening an RM. It seems this didn't happen, and this move has again been requested by an IP at RM/TR with the rationale "The name of his spelling is officially Shreeram and not Shriram. You can check the spelling when his name is shown in the film credits". I have no opinion in this matter, but am opening an RM on procedural grounds so that editors, including IPs, on both sides of this debate can discuss their reasoning and resolve the issue. Toadspike [Talk] 13:15, 5 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 16:04, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Superman (1978 film) → Superman: The MovieSuperman: The Movie – I propose moving this article to Superman: The Movie for the following reasons: * All original Warner Bros. posters, trailers, home media, and film reels used "Superman: The Movie" globally in 1978 to distinguish it from TV serials. This was not a retroactive subtitle but the actively marketed and distributed title at release, aligning with MOS:FILM guidance when ambiguity requires clarification. * "Superman: The Movie" is the name used unanimously on all home media releases, both physical (VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, 4K) and digital platforms. Warner Bros. also archives and stores the original film negative under "Superman: The Movie," confirming this as the consistent, official naming in distribution and archival contexts. This widespread and consistent usage in reliable, authoritative sources demonstrates verifiable, recognizable usage under WP:COMMONNAME. * Per WP:TITLE and WP:PRECISE, this move removes the cumbersome "(1978 film)" disambiguator, providing a clear, natural title aligned with the marketed identity of the film while avoiding confusion with the character or franchise. * Counterpoint: While the onscreen title is "Superman," Wikipedia article titles do not always mirror the onscreen title, including TWO Superman movies already. Examples include: ** Superman and the Mole Men, which uses the onscreen title “Superman and the Mole-Men” ** Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut, which uses the onscreen title “Superman II” ** Dune (2021 film), which has the onscreen title "Dune: Part One" ** It (2017 film), which uses the onscreen title “It Chapter One” ** Wicked (2024 film), which uses the onscreen title “Wicked: Part I” ** School of Rock, which uses the onscreen title “The School of Rock” (also the title in the billing block) ** The Irishman, which uses the onscreen title “I Heard You Paint Houses” ** Drive-Away Dolls, which uses the onscreen title “Drive-Away Dykes” ** Fast & Furious 6, which uses the onscreen title “Furious 6” ** Tron: Legacy, which uses the onscreen title “Tron” All the above which help show onscreen title is not a good argument. WP:NCFILM states “Be aware that it is also common for films to use a slightly modified title onscreen.” Moving to Superman: The Movie aligns with the film’s marketed and consistently used identity, improves clarity and navigation for readers, and aligns with MOS:FILM, WP:TITLE, and WP:COMMONNAME, while maintaining accuracy by noting the onscreen title in the lead. Thank you. SuperFunHouse1 (talk) 09:18, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Cancún → CancunCancun – In 2021 there was an attempt to do this. At the time, people argued that since Zürich wasn't changed to Zurich, Cancún shouldn't be changed either. Now, Zürich is listed under its common English name, Zurich. At the time people were cherrypicking the subsection of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English-language sources), "WP:DIACRITICS", selectively using the phrases "The use of modified letters in article titles is neither encouraged nor discouraged" and "The policy on using common names and on foreign names does not prohibit the use of modified letters" as a reason not to move the page, yet ommiting the accompanying phrases, "when deciding between versions of a word that differ in the use or non-use of modified letters, follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language" and "if they are used in the common name as verified by reliable sources", respectively. Google Ngrams shows that "Cancun" has always been the common name in English. As stated above, the city's tourism agency ommits the accent in the English version of the website (in the same way Celine Dion's website does it in English vs. French). Spanish is not an official language in Mexico, and insisting that the accent is required merely for "respect for other languages" would support the argument for changing "Mexico" to "México", since that is the country's de facto colloquial name in Spanish. (CC) Tbhotch™ 17:41, 26 June 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 08:58, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Jarvis Johnson → Jarvis Johnson (politician) – I do not believe there is a primary topic for the name Jarvis Johnson on Wikipedia. While the YouTuber is currently getting more daily pageviews and daily average pageviews, there have been spikes in views in both pages based on current events. The politician's page rapidly spiked in views after U.S. representative Sylvester Turner's death in March. There were smaller spikes at the YouTuber's page on May 1 and July 1 of this year - not sure what the causes of those were. Per WikiNav, about 20% of outbound clicks from the politician's page are going to the YouTuber. I wouldn't mind if a consensus forms that the YouTuber is the primary topic, but I see any possible concerns about recentism and believe that the best course of action would be a disambiguation page. wizzito | say hello! 18:27, 4 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 08:47, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Giovanni Matteo Mario → ? – The article lead starts with Giovanni Matteo De Candia,[1] also known as Mario, fairly consistently uses just Mario in the text, and notes: the budding singer adopted the mononym Mario as his stage name when he made his debut on 30 November 1838.[6] Sometimes, however, he is referred to in print by the fuller appellation of "Giovanni Mario", and he is also called "Mario de Candia". (That text seems to have been in the article for over fifteen years.) So this title "Giovanni Matteo Mario" isn't actually common, then? Here's a relevant Google Books Ngrams, a graph of book references to these names. The name we have in the lead isn't even detected. At the same time, the 19th century spike in the number of references to "Mario" can probably be attributed to this person. That element of the graph alone is large enough that we have to remove it in order to see the rest. If we look at more variants, like this or like this, it looks like at the time there's a lot of references to Signor Mario, too, as well as further mononymous references to Mario and other contemporary artists. The second name Matteo doesn't seem to be commonly used in comparison. So, maybe Mario (opera singer)? Mario (tenor) already redirects here, but was moved in 2011. I came across this incongruity while researching at Talk:Mario. Mario (singer) is already taken - maybe that needs to be disambiguated, too. Joy (talk) 10:30, 5 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 07:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – PC World → PCWorldPCWorld – I propose renaming PC World to PCWorld to reflect the magazine's current official stylization and branding. The website and publication now consistently use "PCWorld" as a single word. === Rationale === * The official site is branded as PCWorld (see https://www.pcworld.com). * Most modern references use the one-word version. * It aligns with Wikipedia's policy on using the most commonly recognizable name (WP:COMMONNAME). Icaldonta (talk) 19:54, 4 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 07:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Achilles' heel → Achilles heelAchilles heel – While both of these variants are quite close in frequency per Google Ngrams, the current title should be avoided because it contradicts MOS:'s:

    For the possessive of singular nouns, including proper names and words ending in s, add 's (my daughter's achievement, my niece's wedding, Cortez's men, the boss's office, Illinois's largest employer, the US's partners, Descartes's philosophy, Verreaux's eagle). Exception: abstract nouns ending with an /s/ sound when followed by sake (for goodness' sake, for his conscience' sake). If a name ending in s or z would be difficult to pronounce with 's added (Jesus's teachings), consider rewording (the teachings of Jesus).

    ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 07:20, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – The Highwaymen (country supergroup) → The HighwaymenThe Highwaymen – This page has about 1200 views a day, while no other subject called "Highwaymen" or "The Highwaymen" comes even remotely close to that. Even the next-most viewed work of that name, the 2019 film, is barely half of that even with recency bias putting its thumb on the scale. Just entering "The Highwaymen" on Google without any additional words turns up almost exclusively content about the supergroup. Given the vast number of inbound links and extremely high page views (no doubt owing to the high notability of all four members), I think this is by far the most notable subject to have the exact name "The Highwaymen" and should therefore be the primary topic. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:45, 4 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 06:56, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kernicterus → Bilirubin Encephalopathy – kernicterus is the Chronic form of Bilirubin Encephalopathy. There is also an Acute Bilirubin Encephalopathy (ABE) which takes place before the chronic phase and it is not Kernicterus. We can not have the acute phase on an article purly based on its chronic phase, but with a title change there wont be any confusions. This way the article can be written for both phases with a lot more information, but if we keep it as Kernicterus then there needs to be another article for its Acute phase which does not make sense. This short article explains my reasoning. Also as per WP:COMMONNAME, results on National Library of Medicine shows Bilirubin Encephalopathy close to 30,000, and Kernicterus shows 5500. That is widely because Kernicterus is the specific type of Bilirubin Encephalopathy. DrTheHistorian✎ 23:00, 27 June 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 05:59, 5 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 06:46, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 11, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – Cuauhtémoc–Brooklyn Bridge collision → Cuauhtémoc–Brooklyn Bridge crash – Follow-up to resolve lingering question from the last RM as to whether crash, collision, or some other noun is the best descriptor for this incident. Crash is my top choice and I will present the others in rough order of preference from the prior RM; note that I was involved in this lengthy discussion and may miss details and nuanced arguments. I think collision is reasonable but I appreciate the objections raised. I would not use the other terms. # crash‍: This appeared to be the most common noun used at the time of the last RM and in the initial wave of coverage. This term is widely used in reliable sources and is accessible to a general audience. It satisfies the naming WP:CRITERIA well: it is certainly recognizable, natural, precise, and concise. # collision‍: A few editors pointed out that in maritime terminology collision specifically refers to an incident involving two moving vessels (hence the prefix co-). Thus a "crash" between a moving ship and a stationary object such as a bridge is not properly described as a collision. This may explain why high quality sources used crash more often. Common usage does not make this distinction and many reliable sources do use collision and collide to describe this incident. On the other hand, where a suitable alternative exists (crash‍) it may be good editorial practice to avoid collision even if most readers won't notice. # strike‍: This had limited support but is reasonably descriptive and is found in sources, especially as a verb (The ship struck the bridge). # accident‍: Some sources including the NTSB do use this terminology. Though often used imprecisely in every day language, accident can imply that an event was unavoidable or that a finding of no fault has been made. Style guides for motor vehicle collisions often recommend against this word (e.g., Washington State Department of Transportation and this from Rutgers). # allision‍: This was raised several times and met with vigorous opposition. In maritime terminology, allision is the term for a moving vessel striking a stationary object. This word is found in dictionaries but will be inaccessible to most readers. Allision is not used in any article titles on WP. WP:DISASTER is silent on this usage question for maritime incidents but does have guidance for trains. (EDIT 18:16, 9 July 2025 (UTC): WP:DISASTER guidance on "accident" is discussed in the thread.) I could not find many articles to review for consistency. 1938 Muncy Raft crash does involve a moving vessel striking a bridge. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 16:06, 4 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. CoconutOctopus talk 18:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Currently the article title for Grass is a redirect to Poaceae and the word "Poaceae" is a scientific term for grass that we do not use everyday but the word "grass" is the common word that we use for that plant. Vitaium (talk) 07:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 16:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sylvia Seegrist → 1985 Springfield Mall shooting – WP:BIO1E. While there is some notability to Seegrist as an individual, the primary focus is still the shooting. The aftermath section borders on WP:SOAP rather than being informative about either the state of gun control then and after or treatment of Seegrist's mental health. The last three paragraphs, particularly the last two, seem to hold undue weight and are written in a weirdly personal manner with lengthy quotations for what look to be just Seegrist's musing rather than anything relevant. The year in the title differentiates it from a more minor shooting that took place at the mall in 2018, reports of which reference the 1985 one fairly often without mention of Seegrist. Rubintyrann (talk) 14:11, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 10, 2025

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July 9, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – Kirisuto no Haka → Tomb of Christ (Japan) – This article's current title uses the monument's Japanese name (romanised) instead of an English translation. I can't easily find an English source which refers to it as Kirisuto no Haka, rather, most tend to use translations such as "Christ's Grave," "the Grave of Jesus Christ," or "the Tomb of Christ." Similar translations are also reflected on the area's local signage. To best honour the spirit of WP:UE, I believe that the article should be renamed and moved to a space such as "Tomb of Christ (Japan)" — with the inclusion of "(Japan)" to remove ambiguity from other, similar monuments. ItsSwimm (talk) 10:45, 1 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 14:59, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 8, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – Karnataka Vikas Grameena Bank → Karnataka Grameena Bank – Page Name Change. "Unified Karnataka Gramin Bank to come into existence on May 1". The Hindu. 2024-04-30. Vishnuverse (talk) 14:43, 1 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Bobby Cohn 🍁 (talk) 15:40, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 7, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – Capsule toy → Capsule toy vending machineCapsule toy vending machine – The current name of this article is very misleading, suggesting it is about the toys sold by this type of the vending machine. Instead, the article is clearly about the vending machines themselves. The article should be renamed accordingly. I am unsure if capsule toy should have its own article one day. For now it can safely redirect to the "capsule toy vending machine" article (note: it did not exist, I just created it now as a temporary redirect here). Side note: there is also confusion about how this topic is different from Gashapon, which on en and ja has a stand-alone article. But most interwikis here - i.e. to capsule toy (vending machine) article are known as gashapons in other languages. Compare: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11294641 vs https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1204526 . From what I can tell, Gashapon is a specific brand name of a capsule vending machine. I am unsure if any merge is needed (leaning no), but I wanted to mention this before someone suggests renaming this article here to Gashapon. Interwikis at wikidata might merit some cleanup too, sigh;in fact the Wikidata article is about the capsule toy (not capsule toy vending machine), although most of the interwiki'd articles, like ours, are about the vending machine. A mess. PS. What needs to be done: Wikidata needs a page about capsule toy vending machines, pretty much all interwikis from Q11294641 need to be switched to that page (it can be an intentional sitelink to redirect to our capsule toy redirect). I'll do it later this year if nobody jumps on this first. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:23, 20 June 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 12:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 12:06, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

July 6, 2025

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July 5, 2025

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  • (Discuss) – GWR Cathedral Class → GWR proposed Hawksworth Pacific locomotive – I have searched for any association between Frederick Hawksworth's proposed Pacific locomotive and the name 'Cathedral' or the number '8000', and found nothing remotely contemporaneous or authoritative. (There is evidence - as I have added to the article - of the name being initially proposed for the King class.) I deduce that 'Cathedral' and '8000' are recent inventions, probably for marketing purposes, and are therefore not suitable for the title of this article. Either the article should be moved to a better title, or it should be merged into the article on Hawksworth. -- Verbarson  talkedits 22:27, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Cultural depictions of salamanders → Salamander (mythology)Salamander (mythology) – The current, inaccurate title is the result of a series of WP:BOLD moves done without consensus, or, apparently, even giving the article a single once-over. This article is about a separate mythical/elemental creature known as the salamander, not mythological depictions of actual salamanders. While actual salamanders may overlap somewhat, the vast majority of the article is about a hypothetical fictional animal. I don't know about you, but this does not look like any actual salamander I've ever seen. Due to the vagueness of the current title, it should be outright deleted upon the move and anything that links to it should be retargeted to either this article or the one on real-life salamanders. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:20, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – 2017 Hamas charter → Hamas Document of General Principles and Policies – The current title does not reflect how this document is most commonly and neutrally described in reliable sources, contrary to WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NPOV. An analysis of sources shows that sources more frequently use "document" or similar terms than "charter", even when generously counting sources that use "charter" only with qualifications like "could be considered." Among sources that consider whether this constitutes a charter, there is no consensus, with some explicitly noting the document "does not replace the charter." The proposed title uses the official name given by Hamas, reflects the predominant terminology in sources, and maintains neutrality on the contested question of whether this document constitutes a new charter. If you're concerned about the length of the proposed title, please indicate whether an alternative 2017 Hamas policy document would be preferable. The current name is the result of a move that was done without a RM despite being clearly controversial and was challenged almost immediately here, so it doesn't constitute a stable consensus version. Alaexis¿question? 21:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. CoconutOctopus talk 17:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Nuseirat rescue and massacre → Nuseirat raidNuseirat raid – The term massacre is absent from neutral and pro-Israel sources and thus violates NCENPOV. Two reasons, the RfC on EuroMed as yellow and always attribute and WP:TITLEWARRIOR, which called out opinion pieces and failing to recognize authorial voice (newspaper quotes X who says massacre, therefore newspaper says massacre which is false). This is similar to Entebbe raid, and the AP (premier neutral source) has also clarified less than a month ago that the Paletinian deaths ocurred during a gun battle during the raid (see [44]) Closetside (talk) 23:31, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Negative responsiveness → Mono-raise criterionMono-raise criterion – Last year these three pages were moved from their earlier names of "Monotonicity criterion", "Consistency criterion", and "Reversal symmetry" (as was "Participation criterion"). Two of the stated justifications for these moves were that the terms "monotonicity" and "consistency" are vague and can mean multiple things and that the pages should be named consistently. But these changes created an inconsistency between these pages and the other pages on voting system criteria (which are named after the criteria themselves and not the paradoxes that occur when they are violated). And the vagueness of the terms "monotonicity" and "consistency" could be addressed by simply making the titles more specific. "Monotonicity criterion" could have been renamed "Mono-raise criterion" or "Monotonicity criterion (electoral systems)" and "Consistency criterion" could have been renamed "Join-consistency criterion" or "Consistency criterion (electoral systems)". As shown in the pages' histories, I tried to fix this. I moved "Best-is-worst paradox" back to "Reversal symmetry". I requested that "No-show paradox" be moved back to "Participation criterion", which later happened. I moved "Negative responsiveness" to "Mono-raise criterion" (which required editing to restore the page's earlier language). And I moved "Multiple districts paradox" to "Join-consistency criterion". However, the user who made the initial changes (Closed Limelike Curves) reversed most of what I did. They moved three of the pages back (but couldn't move back "Participation criterion") and reverted the aforementioned edits to the one page. I apologize if my actions have come across as aggressive, but in my opinion the pages "Participation criterion" and "Reversal symmetry" were fine under those names and the other two pages should have names that, while precise, are consistent with those of the other pages on voting system criteria. Discussion is welcome. But I do want to note that as it stands the page "Negative responsiveness" has the same paragraph (about monotonicity violations in proportional representation systems) appear twice in different sections. One of my reverted edits fixed this by removing one of the duplicates, and it would need to be fixed again in a future edit. I would do it myself, but I might as well let people first discuss which location is more appropriate for the paragraph. Thank you for your input. Man of Steel 85 (talk) 03:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 05:36, 27 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 12:51, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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