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Initiated by 11WB at 18:35, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Case or decision affected

Wikipedia:Contentious_topics/Arab–Israeli_conflict

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5

List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:

• 11WB (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator)
• Regioncalifornia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Triggerhippie4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Easternsahara (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Iskandar323 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Boutboul (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Iljhgtn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

• diff of notification Regioncalifornia
• diff of notification Triggerhippie4
• diff of notification Easternsahara
• diff of notification Iskandar323
• diff of notification Boutboul
• diff of notification Iljhgtn

I recently closed an AfD as keep (now undone), it turns out many of the participants had WP:CT/PIA topic bans. The article does not have active ArbCom enforcement. A DRV suggested it should. Consensus of the AfD may be affected due to this. Please clarify on whether the AfD consensus is affected and whether the article should be included in PIA. 11WB (talk) 18:35, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: I was unaware @Boutboul's was lifted. I have also not implied that anyone acted maliciously. 11WB (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question: @Easternsahara says they "looked at notifications". This seems to contradict their talk page banner, which states they "should not be given alerts for those areas". Is a TBAN editor in violation of that rule should they use WP:PPAL notifications to participate in PIA AfDs? 11WB (talk) 01:18, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: It's a filter, thank you for the clarification. 11WB (talk) 03:14, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts: @Iskandar323 created the article before their TBAN. If the article is not included in PIA enforcement, I don't think any sanction is required. I cannot comment on whether @Easternsahara has violated their TBAN by discussing the topic here. The other editors I included either don't have an active PIA TBAN or have a TBAN that isn't relevant. The article seems to be slightly contentious based on the AfD and talk page discussions. My list was not accurate and for this I apologise, I should've been more thorough. 11WB (talk) 04:29, 24 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't think that this was covered by PIA because neither Palestine nor Israel had existed yet. The earliest one can say the start of the Israel-Palestine conflict was with the advent of zionism, although even then no violence had immediately occurred until the settlement of Jewish people in the region of Palestine. The name may be the same as the modern state but names change in various ways all the time (etymological fallacy). OwenX says that since "all these topic-banned editors swarmed to !vote on this AfD" 1 it must be related to the Israel-Palestine conflict, but I was just looking at the notifications for WP:PPAL when I saw this and I suspect this is why other editors also voted on this, not because of malicious reasons, as is implied. Simply being tagged for wikiprojects Israel and Palestine is not a strong enough argument by itself, as the region encompasses territory now a part of both modern-day places (so Wikiprojects Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon should also be tagged) User:Easternsahara 20:56, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification: I wasn't saying that you were implying that anyone acted maliciously, but that the quoted section could've be interpreted as such User:Easternsahara 21:12, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SFR, I don't think there is any serious scholarly debate about whether or not Jewish people are native to the region of Palestine, that is very obviously yes. Rather, some argue whether the current inhabitants of Israel are descended from the Jews, who lived there thousands of years ago, and whether thousands of years makes their connection to the land invalid enough that they cannot establish their own state there (or whether such states should exist). The Roman Palestine article is not very developed right now, but if it included any data on population, then it would note that Jews are the majority of the inhabitants. So, I don't think that this article is very pertinent to the Palestine-Israel conflict, though it is certainly relevant to Jewish history. User:Easternsahara 03:49, 24 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@11WB: you seem to misunderstand. I looked at the WP:ARTICLEALERTS section of WP:PPAL. Article alerts are used to inform people of various nominations and discussions relating to a given WikiProject. If you click on the bolded "alert" on the Template:Contentious topics/aware, on my userpage, you will see that it links to Template:Alert, which is used to tell users about a contentious topic that they have edited about. I hope you can understand that "alert" means two different, unrelated things in these contexts. You also assume that I "participate[d] in PIA AfDs", but it had no indication of being related to PIA and this matter is being discussed right now. I implore you to research matters before you implicate that another user has broken the rules in the future. In this case, you could've clicked on the bold "alerts" linked onto the template at the top of my page (which you stated you saw) and then realized that that was a different thing than the WikiProject Article Alerts. Alternatively, you could've viewed the source of my talk page, found Template:DS/aware and read the first sentence, learning that its function is not to be a restriction for the user whose talk page it is placed on, but a notice to other users. User:Easternsahara 03:02, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, I enquired in advance with @SFR as to whether participation would be problematic, and the answer was not a yes. I then tagged SFR again for absolute clarity and transparency when I participated in the discussion. My response was based purely on the lack of a deletion rationale. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Easternsahara, My purpose is not to put you down, but in my opinion you are skirting the edges of your PIA TBAN too much, several editors already told you that. For example, this kind of sentence: “The earliest one can say the start of the Israel-Palestine conflict was with the advent of zionism, although even then no violence had immediately occurred until the settlement of Jewish people in the region of Palestine.”, clearly falls under the TBAN, since it is broadly construed. I do not think that mentioning Roman Palestine necessarily falls under it, but it is still not a good idea for someone under a TBAN to test the boundaries. I know what I am talking about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boutboul (talk • contribs) 13:59, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The main purpose of the PIA enforcements are to reduce edit warring on contentious pages. Observably, pages of this nature i.e., which are about the history of Israelis and Palestinians does lead to edit wars. Per CNC, the historical association of this page with Palestine makes it quite obvious that it is within the PIA purview. I’m not sure how it could be construed otherwise. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:09, 24 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that Roman Palestine appears to be a child article of History of Palestine. The latter has been protected under PIA since 2018, the article in question was created in 2024, but seemingly not as a split. CNC (talk) 21:38, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If I - for instance - came across Roman Palestine at WP:RFPP with a request to ECP it under PIA, I would decline it, as the article is clearly not primarily related to the Palestine-Israeli Conflict. It does seem that there's a popular misconception that PIA covers everything related to Palestine and/or Israel, but it clearly is more limited than that. Now, the fact there are potentially portions of the article that are PIA-related is true; whether or not that would make 'participation in an AfD about the article a violation of a PIA topic ban', I'd have to think about, but my off the cuff reaction would be no - only actively editing those small portions of the article would be. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:20, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I initiated the AFD and didnt expect it to be so contentious, altho perhaps I should have. It looked to me to be an unnecessary duplication of other articles. I do think PIA should at least somewhat apply here as the keep or deletion of this page can be taken by some editors as relevant to the PIA conflict, as SFR has pointed out. That said, I do think Iskandar deserves an exception to the TBAN as creator of the article to robustly defend it. And as for ES, if it is considered PIA, I think it is a good faith error to have participated and they should not face any sanction for this, but the !vote should be discarded in that case. And they made a good point about that it should have included other Wikiprojects. I didnt even think of that and I try to be comprehensive. Finally, given the contentiousness of the ongoing discussion, I think the closer should have left it open for longer than a week regardless. But no harm no foul at the end of the day here. ← Metallurgist (talk) 02:13, 24 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Reviewing this comment, I'm not sure I agree with this list. Regioncalifornia does not have a tban, just a logged warning regarding 1RR (which is very much not the same thing as a tban). Triggerhippie4 is also not topic-banned. Boutboul's topic ban was successfully appealed and lifted. Iljhgtn's topic ban is in my opinion clearly not applicable here ("political living people"). That leaves only Iskandar323 and Easternsahara who are topic-banned from PIA. Currently considering whether this should be in scope of PIA or not, which is the main crux of this issue that's been brought to ARCA. Daniel (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• There are certainly parts of the article which relate to the conflict, as whether or not the Jewish population in the area is considered indigenous/native is a sticking point in the conflict. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:31, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Wikipedia:Example (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

One-revert restriction: Changes on this page are frequently reverted back and forth. User:Example (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: This doesn't involve any contentious topic, so an admin doesn't have discretion to impose a one-revert restriction here. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 16:13, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• National Iranian American Council (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Banned editor making Israel/Palestine edit: This editor is banned from the topic yet they made edits to this article: [3]. At the time, the top news item on the organization's website was this statement on Israel-Palestine which clearly indicates their motivation given their shared position: [4] jwtmsqeh (talk) 15:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done, the content of the edit does not touch upon the conflict, even when broadly construed. Also noting that Iskandar323 is currently already serving a short block for a different edit that did violate their sanction, and which post-dates the edit to the NIAC article. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:52, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Weaponization of antisemitism (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Revert inappropriately restored material: CT in question is Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Material was added, removed in contention, and then restored. Talk discussion initiated; editor who added and restored the material has ignored repeated requests to self-rv. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 13:41, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: there is talk page discussion, which doesn't seem to be going your way. An experienced editor said, on the talk page, "This topic area gets too ugly and noticeboard-happy"--and yet here we are. No, I see no violations of the agreed-upon set of behavioral and editorial practices; that the editor does not wish to self-revert is not a violation. I do, however, appreciate this, but I urge you to take that wise editor's words to heart. Drmies (talk) 15:44, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies, I brought this request to the quick ER section (unless I'm forgetting something, my first time coming to AE) because I was not seeking sanctions against any editor; when I referred darkly to noticeboards I was talking about where people go to get others blocked. I have no aversion to boards seeking uninvolved third parties to make procedural content edits. WP:ONUS is an agreed-upon editorial policy, and I would be surprised to learn that immediately restoring one's boldly-introduced new material after it is contested is standard editorial practice, let alone in a contentious topic area. Moot now, but I wanted to clear that up. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:37, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, what were you asking for then, on this board? Drmies (talk) 01:59, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A revert. It's bolded at the beginning of my request. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 02:04, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Drmies, was this a misunderstanding? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 09:01, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Zanahary, can you give us diff of the added/removed/restored content you're talking about? Valereee (talk) 19:04, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s now moot, thanks. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:09, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• RfC: Herb Keinon's comparison to Nazi Germany

Enforce ECR: I'm not sure how extended-confirmed enforcement is supposed to work, but there are a couple of IP editors who have taken part in the RfC, and I assume that their contributions should be struck? The RfC plainly involves Israel-Palestine issues. Samuelshraga (talk) 18:24, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 18:36, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• User talk:~2025-41257-91 (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)

Requested action: Attack page targeting pro-Palestinian activists, user should be blocked immediately. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:20, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SilverLocust: Looks like you got here first, but the user clearly deserves zero tolerance and the creation log entry still needs RD2. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:28, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done, there's no need to RD here. -- asilvering (talk) 04:34, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This section is meant to exclude requests for blocks (though I can understand that not being a high concern when dealing with a current issue). I deleted the page, but instead of blocking have just been watching for further disruption from this person. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 05:52, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

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Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. Edit warring during consensus building efforts on Jerusalem Day: this editor is edit warring "In recent years, there have been anti-Palestinian chants of "death to Arabs" and "May Your Village Burn" in these parades." into the lead. They first added it on 16 November 2025. On 17 November 2025 I reverted them saying to seek consensus, after which on 21 November 2025 another user added it back in, on 23 November 2025 I again removed it per WP:ONUS, on 23 November 2025 they again edit warred it in and on 23 November 2025 were reverted by another user telling them to stop edit warring. On 25 November 2025 they edit warred it back in, falsely claiming "Per current talk page consensus", when taking a look at the talk page will indicate that there is an ongoing discussion and no consensus, and this the user is clearly violating WP:ONUS, for which they have been previously been cautioned throughout this whole discussion.
2. Uncivil behavior and violations of WP:AGF on Talk:Jerusalem Day: On 23 November 2025 they inaccurately described what had happened, because the previous discussion had been only about including the contested material in the body of the article (to which I acquiesced) and they had never until that point discussed it in the lead. On 24 November 2025 they claimed that those disagreeing with them and saying something is WP:UNDUE is "not policy based" and then later on 24 November 2025 doubling down on these claims. This seems to violate WP:SATISFY. On 24 November 2025 BlookyNapsta told them to start an WP:RFC to include the contested material, but on 24 November 2025 they insisted that "I don’t think we need to go to an RfC to establish consensus". On 24 November 2025 they wrote that those who disagree with them are WP:Status quo stonewalling.
3. WP:BLUDGEONING: On Talk:Six-Day War#Requested move 16 November 2025, this user has been WP:BLUDGEONING and repeating the same claims over and over again, 19 November 2025, 19 November 2025, 20 November 2025 and 23 November 2025.
4. WP:BLUDGEONING: In the Talk:Six-Day War#Requested move 13 November 2025 previous RfD (now replaced by the previous one) they were similarly involved in WP:BLUDGEONING, asking every editor who rejected their proposal based on WP:COMMONNAME "by what metrics" they call it the common name. 13 November 2025, 14 November 2025, 14 November 2025 and 15 November 2025. A few months ago, at Talk:Gaza Genocide, the user was also WP:BLUDGEONING, questioning any user he disagreed with "based on what sources?" or a similar reaction. 4 August 2025, 18 August 2025 and 24 August 2025.
5. WP:SYNTH: On 23 November 2025, the user was warned on their talk page that they had violated WP:SYNTH, in one case on a WP:BLP page. On 23 November 2025 they insisted that these edits "seems like useful context for the reader". (Although on 23 November 2025 the user did eventually say that they will be more diligent on the matter, implicitly admitting that they had made a mistake.)

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. Logged warning on 25 October 2025 "to remain civil, assume good faith of other editors, and avoid inflammatory remarks".

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

1. 24 January 2025 received the standard CTOP warning on their talk page.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

@Butterscotch Beluga - The claim that "They asked you to come to talk to discuss & but you didn't respond until other editors got involved" is inaccurate. The discussion started on the talk page was open 08:01, 16 November 2025 about whether it was due in the body of the article. Their arguments convinced me that it is widely enough covered to be due in the body of the article so I did not respond. Later that day, on 10:09, 16 November 2025, they began edit warring the contentious content into the lead with no discussion whatsoever. Nehushtani (talk) 07:38, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cinaroot's claim that I did not participate in the talk page discussion is once again inaccurate, as there was no discussion about the inclusion in the lead, as I explained above. Also, although they were uninvolved in this specific discussion, it does not seem to be a coincidence that they posted this commont shortly after I have informed them of a 1RR violation. Nehushtani (talk) 17:54, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee - I fixed the diff you asked about; something went wrong with the formatting, but it should be ok now. Also, should I respond to Drmies's comments? They are an admin, but I'm unsure if I should respond because they wrote their comments outside of the admin section. Nehushtani (talk) 06:26, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies - I don't understand your argument that "this isn't edit warring". WP:ONUS states that "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." Since إيان was trying to add disputed content, it was their responsibility to achieve consensus, and trying to add the contested content multiple times before achieving consensus is edit warring, not the other way around. Regarding the discussion on the talk page - My main argument is that mentioning the chants is undue for the lead as it is only tangentially related to the holiday. I said early on in the discussion on 11:29, 23 November 2025 "I have consistently insisted (and still believe) that it is undue for the lead." We did digress briefly into a discussion about another page, but that was never my main contention. Whether or not something is a false equivalence is a content dispute and is not what it is being discussed at AE. Nehushtani (talk) 12:49, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

  إيان's statement contains 959 words and is within 10% of the 925-word limit.

Y Extension granted to 925 words. — Newslinger talk 16:23, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The disagreement appears to be about the content of my edits rather than my conduct, as evident in these contrived, shoehorned, and misrepresentative accusations:

• The first accusation of edit warring is ABSURD, especially coming from the accuser who, reverted by two editors, refused to discuss in the talk page discussion on the matter after being pinged, and was the one engaged in edit warring. There is a summary of this here.
• The accusation of uncivil behavior is also contrived. I followed WP:BRD and I was magnanimous with the two out of five involved editors that disagreed and did not offer any proof beyond a vague gesture to UNDUE. To accuse me of edit warring without bothering to discuss for a week is disingenuous to say the least. The accuser alleges they wrote that those who disagree with them are WP:Status quo stonewalling, which I did not. I placed the link to the explanatory essay there for the benefit of all without making any accusation about anyone doing it.
• The accusations of bludgeoning are again contrived, appearing to exploit a shoehorned accusation of conduct violations because the accuser disagreed with the substance of the edits. Also, the two RMs are the same discussion. When the likelihood of approaching the word limit was brought to my attention, I made my final points and stopped.
• The SYNTH accusation is again content-based and not conduct-based and was already addressed and resolved. The accuser was not involved at all, and I'm curious why the accuser brings it up again here.

Per WP:Dispute resolution: If you have taken all other reasonable steps to resolve the dispute, and the dispute is not over the content of an article, you can request arbitration. It would have been appreciated if the accuser had, for example, discussed their grievances with me at any point directly on my talk page before bothering everyone here with these flagrantly frivolous and vexatious accusations and this unnecessary bureaucracy. I take the Wikipedia policies very seriously, and it is inappropriate to try to weaponize Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement to silence editors contributing in good faith with whom we might disagree on content. إيان (talk) 15:45, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Originalcola, if you thought that I was clearly engaging in bludgeoning, why didn't you say so? I admittedly engaged a lot, but I thought I was engaging politely and in good faith, and there was good discussion happening in response to my arguments and questions. It didn't seem to me from the way the conversation was going that I had been doing something wrong. And as I said in my statement, when it was brought to my attention, I stopped. Regarding the false claim regarding case-sensitive searches, I did indeed make a mistake in seeing the "case-insensitive" tab as "case-sensitive" which I later realized and fixed from then-on.إيان (talk) 10:38, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

QuicoleJR's accusations also appear to be rooted in a disagreement on content rather than conduct. The claim The editor in question, after the content was removed from Jerusalem Day, added it to anti-Palestinian racism is wrong and deceptive. The thoroughly sourced content—perfectly WP:DUE where I placed it per sourcing—is based on this understanding, not the information removed from the lede.

That I should be penalized for contributions such as translating "May Your Village Burn" from Hebrew is absurd. Improving articles and getting the encyclopedia closer to WP:NPOV with high-quality contributions introducing drastically underrepresented voices and citing the highest quality scholarly sources, while being engaged and responsive on talk pages, is not WP:disruptive editing, whereas reverting without discussing to maintain a POV status quo is disruptive behavior. As for expanding on controversies and negative coverage of Israel and their supporters, WP:Wikipedia is not censored and—though I apologize for where I have made honest mistakes—it is unfair and inappropriate to attempt sanction me on contrived accusations here in an attempt to censor me and my contributions. إيان (talk) 21:12, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe BlookyNapsta’s most recent comment helps clarify what this really seems to be about—content and not conduct. I have responded to their questions on their talk page. إيان (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have acknowledged that I engaged more than I should have in the RM. Part of it was a substantial irregularity caused it to become a second RM, which Nehushtani framed into a doubled bludgeoning accusation. Anyway, I won’t engage in that way again.

I have no problem acknowledging my mistakes when I make them. I wasn’t sure how to take if you're not familiar with how to interpret or use this kind of search tools for specific topics like this then you can ask for help from other editors—it looked like a possible taunt. If Originalcola would like a formal apology for it, I'm happy to do so, as I have for my misunderstanding the ngram case-sensitivity. I have apologized for comment taken as an insinuation of bad faith. 08:32, 4 December 2025 (UTC) I would have apologized at the time if they had made it known then that they took offense. (I now realize that it was genuine, but it is hard to tell through text sometimes.) I thought responding with this appears to be condescension, which is inappropriate and I remind you to maintain WP:Civility was an appropriate, diplomatic way to both address that possibility and maintain the assumption of good faith. Same for Talk:Jerusalem Day, where I—then aware of the need to economize my words—was more terse than would be ideal, and I see how it could be misconstrued, and I can apologize there too. إيان (talk) 03:08, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Longhornsg, my heart is indeed in the right place—thank you—and I emphatically disagree with your characterizations and conclusion. My contributions in the topic area, for example, are of immense value to the encyclopedia. إيان (talk) 06:12, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this is not resorted to accusing me of WP:BADFAITH.

I explained my thought process and defended my opinion on content on the talk page. إيان (talk) 07:25, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your description of "Uncivil behavior and violations of WP:AGF" seems rather inaccurate. They asked you to come to talk to discuss & but you didn't respond until other editors got involved.

The comment you're quoting for "not policy based" actually read "Not a source or policy-based argument." The comment they were replying to was in response to my comment saying it was WP:DUE & backed by sources, so saying you disagree without supplying your own sources is unhelpful.

I don't believe asking for someone to explain their reasoning or cite a source for their !vote is WP:BLUDGEONING as long as they don't badger them further.

The issue regarding WP:SYNTH is both settled & not a conduct-issue. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 15:51, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(un-involved)

If there was edit warring in this situation, the sequence of events indicates that it is Nehushtani who have engaged in edit warring. إيان opened a talk-page thread on 16 November immediately after the first revert, but Nehushtani did not participate in that discussion. When another editor reverted the Nehushtani on 21st, Nehushtani edit warred with them. إيان then reverted Nehushtani and requested to engage on the talk page. Nehushtani engaged after this.

Rather than using the existing talk-page discussion to seek consensus, Nehushtani continued reverting. It is not appropriate to revert repeatedly without participating in discussion, and then characterize the other party as the one edit-warring. Editors are expected to collaborate and engage in talk page discussions in a timely manner, in line with WP:CONSENSUS.

The evidence does not substantiate the claim that إيان was the party engaged in edit warring. Accordingly, I ask that the enforcement request be dismissed. Cinaroot (talk) 09:24, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot speak to any of the other claims made, but with regard to the 3rd and 4th charges إيان was clearly engaging in bludgeoning. They replied directly to the majority of editors who had cast oppose votes, and repeatedly insinuated that editors, including myself, were either acting in bad faith, arguing in bad faith or that editors that opposed the proposed name change were ignoring his arguments deliberately. They also made a false claim regarding case-sensitive searches in an argument to try and sway an editor by convincing them that they had made a misatake that they then repeated multiple times, although I did initially think it is more likely than not due to a lack of familiarity with using ngrams.Originalcola (talk) 19:13, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding @إيان's response to my statement, I just chose to disengage as I didn't think it was productive to continue. I had pointed out the mistake you made regarding case-sensitive searches and issues with some of the metrics you had been using in a reply to you somewhat early in the conversation, and I didn't want to continue that line of discussion at the time given the lack of acknowledgement and the aforementioned incivility accusation. Honestly I expected that either you would withdraw your request or someone else would close the discussion early given that there seemed to be a clear-cut consensus. Originalcola (talk) 19:33, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The editor in question, after the content was removed from Jerusalem Day, added it to anti-Palestinian racism. They have also added the chant to the See Also section of globalize the intifada, and are the creator of the May Your Village Burn article which they are trying to add content about to other articles. Furthermore, upon reviewing their recent contributions, it would appear that most of their recent editing consists of expanding on controversies and negative coverage of Israel and their supporters, as can be seen here (see also this related POV edit), here, here (which was another insertion of content related to an article they created), and here. Nehushtani's conduct has also been subpar in this topic area, but adding this to the OP's report shows that the user in question is a clear POV pusher, which the topic area certainly needs less of. IMO a topic ban is unfortunately warranted to avoid further POV pushing, although I could also see a balanced editing restriction being passed as a lighter sanction. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, I wasn't trying to imply that we shouldn't cover negative information about Israel, just that you seemed to be expanding on it as much as possible in as many places as possible, and that it seemed to be your primary purpose on Wikipedia. I also don't think there's anything wrong with you writing that article, but it was helpful context to you adding mentions of it to three other pages. I think your invocation of Wikipedia:Systemic bias shows the issue here; pro-Palestine POVs are not systematically underrepresented on Wikipedia, and trying to remedy that non-existent bias by adding a pro-Palestine bias is POV pushing, which is a conduct issue. For the record, I was not involved with any of this before finding this AE report. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:39, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I participated in the Six-Day War RM. I think إيان probably did enter bludgeoning territory (there was a lot of repetition the same arguments). The bludgeoning was about WP:COMMONNAME[5][6][7][8], then about the article naming policies of WP:CRITERIA and WP:POVTITLE[9][10][11][12]. I think there was also a certain measure of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT - إيان was corrected on both issues repeatedly by multiple editors over the course of weeks. That said, إيان did (finally) accept that their case about WP:COMMONNAME was flawed[13], and did ultimately stop engaging when told they were approaching a word limit.

In isolation, I wouldn't consider the conduct in the Six-Day War RMs worthy of sanction, especially not if إيان understands where they went amiss. Based on the statement above that the accusations of bludgeoning are contrived, we're not quite there. @إيان, you said above on this issue: I thought I was engaging politely and in good faith. You were! But that doesn't mean you didn't bludgeon, and when OriginalCola pointed out where you went wrong, you accused them of being uncivil.[14] I think you should reconsider doubling down on this - making a mistake like this is not the end of the world, especially not if you can recognise it.

No comment either way on the rest of the evidence, other than the response to 2: I placed the link to the explanatory essay there for the benefit of all without making any accusation about anyone doing it. Erm... no, that's not how anyone would have read this, it's clearly an accusation - more an explicit than an implied one. Samuelshraga (talk) 07:14, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Their heart is in the right place, but I've had a number of interactions with this user in PIA that do not give me great confidence that they can contribute productively constructively to this topic area without the exertion of a substantial amount of community time to rectify policy violations.

My experiences aren't content disputes. WP:SYNTH is a violation of policy. SYNTH on a BLP is worse. See the examples and conversation at Talk:Jordana_Cutler#SYNTH-y mess as an example, with the editor as the offender. This came after I had to warn the user for additional SYNTH violations in PIA. Concerningly, while the editor perfunctorily acknowledged the issue, they defended their use of SYNTH and resorted to accusing me of WP:BADFAITH. This is exactly what the user was warned not to do by AE consensus just over a month ago. Longhornsg (talk) 03:20, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And a bit of WP:CIR. This edit mispresented the source and just made up the responsible cyber unit. And this edit represented a source as being from 2025, when its clearly written in 2023, and would make no sense to be written in 2025. All told. I've had to remove more than 5,300 characters, one-third of the total article, from a BLP because of SYNTH violations. This is not acceptable in this topic area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longhornsg (talk • contribs) 04:22, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm moving my comments to the section below, since I'm an uninvolved administrator and we need resolution here. Drmies (talk) 14:57, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• @إيان: In response to your request, your word limit has been extended to 850 words. I have removed the subheading "Additional comments by editor against whom the complaint is being filed" to fix the edit counter for your section. — Newslinger talk 18:06, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @إيان: Per your talk page message, your word limit has been extended to 925 words, which grants you 200 words for your response. — Newslinger talk 16:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is there any reason we haven't restricted participation here? I feel like seven commenters, causing the subject to feel like they have to address every comment, and then the commenters are responding to their responses...I feel like it's exactly what the participation restriction was created to prevent. I haven't been working at AE since that was put in place, though, maybe this doesn't feel like too much to others here? Valereee (talk) 10:40, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• No more from anyone except the subject and filer per this. إيان and Nehushtani, no more responding to anyone but admins working here who ask you a question. No further additional words will be granted except to answer questions from admins. Any uninvolved admin should feel free to adjust this. Valereee (talk) 12:51, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anyone who wants to ask a question about this, do it at talk and ping me. Valereee (talk) 13:04, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• All right, as best I can tell, Wikipedia doesn't need either of these editors at Jerusalem Day. I propose an indef p-block of both from that article, allowing them to continue to discuss at the article talk. I will wait for other admins to chime in. Valereee (talk) 13:17, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @BlookyNapsta, this discussion is participation restricted, please see my statement above with link. Valereee (talk) 13:56, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Drmies, إيان is not restricted, nor is Nehushtani, per Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transgender_healthcare_and_people#AE_participation_may_be_restricted_by_an_administrator. Filer and subject aren't restricted.

  Is there any reason you commented in your own section rather than in the results section? Do you feel you're involved here? Valereee (talk) 12:59, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Drmies, oh, sorry, I thought (and another editor asked me about it my talk) you were saying you objected to the participation restriction, not the proposed pblock! Valereee (talk) 16:38, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to other admins working here: see above that Drmies is commenting as an uninvolved admin objecting to the pblock for إيان. I'm assuming comments outside of the results section by uninvolved admins aren't excluded by the participation restriction. Valereee (talk) 16:43, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Nehushtani, I am confused by diff 7 in point 1. It wants to go to Marshall Plan and Jerusalem Day, which isn't an article, and clicking to the article history takes me to Marshall Plan, which إيان doesn't seem to have edited? Not sure how you're making your diffs, but maybe check out User:Enterprisey/diff-permalink. Valereee (talk) 17:36, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Nehushtani, yes, you can reply to Drmies, as they're an uninvolved admin who mentioned you (and thanks for asking first, this exact situation wasn't something I'd thought of. In future I'd make it "uninvolved admins" rather than "admins working here".) Valereee (talk) 11:59, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[I've moved my comments from the "other editors" section to the "uninvolved administrators" section: I am uninvolved, after all, and AE matters need resolution. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 11 December 2025 (UTC)][reply]

I'm only looking at items 1 and 2 now. The charge of edit warring on Jerusalem Day is--well it's not even weak. Nehushtani has "edit warred" as much as the other editor has, meaning, meh, this isn't edit warring. The charge in 2. is more exciting, because Nehushtani argues that the editor has been disrupting the regular process--yet when I look at the discussion I see inane comments like "According to this logic, we should mention antisemitic chants in the leads of articles about pro-Palestinian eve...". But the "logic" was that it was well covered, extensively covered, in this article. So إيان says "UNDUE"--and this is predictably followed by "you're UNDUE". "False equivalence" says Butterscotch Beluga, and they are correct, but Nehushtani pushes this argument for Land Day as well, as if all those things are equal. If anyone is stonewalling, it's them, and that's what this AE request seems to be about as well: tying up editors with vexatious procedures. I may still have a look at the other items but if 1 and 2 are the strongest ones, then it's clear to me that if anything, Nehushtani might well deserve a topic ban. Drmies (talk) 21:54, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Valereee, I hate disagreeing with you, but I'm sorry--I do. I see no reason to restrict إيان . Drmies (talk) 21:55, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Valereee, you proposed p-blocking them from Jerusalem Day, didn't you? I disagree with that. As to your other question--no, I'm not INVOLVED in any sense, it's an area in which I rarely edit (I wish I knew more languages), but since my ArbCom period I've sort of lost track of how all these arbitration procedures work, so I prefer to be on this side of the fence in many cases, unless they're pretty straightforward. (Honestly I don't know how so many people are able to navigate these arbitration waters--my ship has sailed.) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Nehushtani, in my opinion the other editor's action in that article did not amount to edit warring in any meaningful sense, and if a hammer is to be brought down on those edits, that applies to yours just as much. Edit warring is a two-way street. The false equivalence I and others signaled on the talk page is a bit more than, what did you call it--a side step? A brief digression--but such digressions easily become disruptive, and that's what happened here: you were in fact using another example as an argument for this article, and so other editors had to go look at that, respond to it, etc. You said it was about content: no, it was derailing and stonewalling, and this AE request, it's hard not to see it as a means to get an editor out of the way. Yes, I think the project would benefit from a partial block on Jerusalem Day and its talk page for you, with a warning to not extend such lines of arguing elsewhere. And one more note for User:إيان : I chastised your opponent for saying "you're UNDUE", but I urge you to use more words, to respond/criticize in complete sentences with a bit more decorum, as unnecessary as this may seem to you. Drmies (talk) 15:13, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • User:Newslinger, you asked about SYNTH--what I see is indeed a case of synthesis for which إيان was rapped on the fingers and apologized. To me, that's enough. It rather seems like the filer was pulling in as many complaints as they could. Drmies (talk) 16:53, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• @Nehushtani: In the future, would you please list the diffs one by one, with each diff in a separate list item? It would be easier for all participants to refer to the number of the list item than to link to the diff itself. — Newslinger talk 00:22, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• The activity on the Jerusalem Day article does constitute edit warring, but I count three reverts from Nehushtani (07:05, 16 November 2025; 07:18, 17 November 2025; and 06:34, 23 November 2025) and two reverts from إيان (‎09:00, 23 November 2025; 04:13, 25 November 2025). Nehushtani's first revert is not considered edit warring, but that leaves two instances of edit warring for each editor, which means that any sanction tied specifically to the edit warring should be applied evenly to both editors. In my opinion, Valereee's proposed partial block for both editors and Drmies's decision to disregard the edit warring are both reasonable outcomes for the edit warring. Please remember that revert rules are "not an entitlement to revert a page a specific number of times".
  I do not believe the diffs of the discussion on Talk:Jerusalem Day are actionable. إيان's activity on Talk:Six-Day War does constitute bludgeoning, and warrants a reminder or warning; although "Editors [are] limited to 1,000 words per formal discussion" within this contentious topic, this word limit is also not an entitlement and you could have raised the same points with far fewer comments. The claimed violations of WP:SYNTH may be actionable, but the first comment in Talk:Jordana Cutler § SYNTH-y mess also invokes WP:BIASED ("reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective"), which makes the argument unclear. — Newslinger talk 00:32, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have had a chance to take a closer look at Talk:Jordana Cutler § SYNTH-y mess. (Regarding Arcticocean's comment below, I did not say that it was out of scope, but I had not fully examined it at the time of my previous comment.) Longhornsg's comment in the article talk page discussion objects to three sentences that were in the Jordana Cutler article. After reviewing the nine sources cited for these sentences, I can confirm that the first two sentences contained improper synthesis. The third sentence could be considered extraneous detail about a different subject (WP:COATRACK), despite being adjacent to content directly related to Cutler that cited the same source.
    Addressing Nehushtani's point #5, the first diff labeled "23 November 2025" mistakenly links to [15], but refers to the user talk page discussion at Special:Permalink/1323804486 § November 2025. At Special:Diff/1306408783/1323583115, إيان inserted content about Canary Mission on the Jewish Federations of North America article, which is a second instance of WP:COATRACK. As Arcticocean mentioned below, إيان's 09:43, 31 October 2025, edit to the Jordana Cutler article failed verification, as there is a distinction between the Ministry of Strategic Affairs receiving intelligence briefs based on surveillance and the ministry conducting surveillance. When considered in addition to the edit warring and the prior logged warning in the topic area, these incidents form a persistent pattern of issues that lead me to support an indefinite topic ban of إيان from the Arab–Israeli conflict contentious topic. Alternatively, because 40.48% of إيان's edits in the past year (in tracked namespaces) were within WP:CT/A-I, I would also support the balanced editing restriction as a lesser restriction, if there is consensus that إيان "has repeatedly engaged in conflict but is not being intentionally or egregiously disruptive". — Newslinger talk 01:31, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Arcticocean: My apologies for the misreading. I have corrected my comment. — Newslinger talk 15:07, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Longhornsg: Your claim "I've had to remove more than 5,300 characters, one-third of the total article, from a BLP because of SYNTH violations" is misleading because 2,101 of those characters were a citation template for an academic publication that did not need to be removed from the Jordana Cutler article. — Newslinger talk 00:54, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• There is actionable misconduct in this request for enforcement. Dealing with the allegations in turn: 1.) The chant-related edits amounted to edit warring. These breaches were particularly serious in view of the attempts at discussion ongoing on the talk page. 2.) I agree with the filer's characterisation: the talk page comments were significantly inaccurate as descriptions of Nehushtani's earlier comments. While that may have been a legitimate misunderstanding, the user doubled down when corrected. WP:DR#Discuss with the other party is Wikipedia policy and is incompatible with this sort of approach to discussions. 3.) If this crosses into the territory of bludgeoning, it does so only briefly and I don't consider it actionable. 4.) There are two allegations here, neither actionable. The comments at the RM do not cross into bludgeoning. The Gaza genocide talk page comments do not do so either, not even remotely. 5.) Contrary to what the user said above, the Jordana Cutler edits are within the scope of this complaint. WP:OR is a content policy but there is also a conduct expectation that users make proper use of reliable sources. Responding to this allegation's inclusion in this complaint (the relevant paragraph begins with The SYNTH accusation), the user demonstrated a concerning tendency towards WP:IDHT. As the user has admitted that the edit violated policy, I do not think we require to look behind the allegation. For completeness, I did review the Nation source and found it lacked any support for the article's assertion that the MSA itself surveils overseas protesters.

  In view of all this, while I support at minimum the p-block proposal above, I would go further and support a topic ban of the user, based upon allegations 1, 2 and 5. I do not think that the proposed WP:BOOMERANG sanction for the filing user is necessary, but I would not oppose should others feel it appropriate. Arcticocean ■ 12:51, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Newslinger: "Contrary to what the user said above" refers to إيان (and their comment linked in the sentence immediately after), not you. You may wish to reword "I did not say". Arcticocean ■ 12:03, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks, Newslinger! Arcticocean ■ 19:40, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• If there is a need to remove them from Jerusalem Day, I would strongly prefer a page ban to a pblock (especially an indefinite one that could only be lifted via CT-restricted appeals), since a block is much more of a scarlet letter (due to, e.g., fairly common use of the markblocked gadget by prolific/extended-confirmed editors) and since there isn't reason to believe these editors wouldn't comply with a page ban. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 17:43, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  No objection to a bespoke page ban rather than a pblock. Valereee (talk) 22:37, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• This discussion has stalled after being open for over three weeks. From the comments, it appears that not everyone in this section has addressed the claims about WP:SYNTH. Valereee, Drmies, and SilverLocust, would you like to take a look at this to help reach a consensus here? — Newslinger talk 13:28, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Newslinger, sorry, I've had limited time this week. The SYNTH to me seems like something إيان does in fact need to learn, and that by 13K edits they should have learned. I'm not sure it's something that needs to be dealt with here and now other than to let them know that this is a competence issue. Valereee (talk) 20:55, 25 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cinaroot is blocked for 2 weeks for 1RR violations. Gaza genocide is placed under the consensus required restriction. Sennecaster (Chat) 18:41, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Request concerning Cinaroot [edit] User who is submitting this request for enforcement Nehushtani (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:42, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] User against whom enforcement is requested Cinaroot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced WP:1RR Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 03:24, 22 November 2025 - Edit including removing material, which is considered a revert. 07:19, 22 November 2025 - 1RR violation 02:00, 23 November 2025 - 1RR violation I asked them on their talk page to revert, they insisted that it was not a violation, after I and another user told them that it was indeed a violation, they admitted that the third revert was a violation but still refused to revert. I asked them a third time and said that if they did not revert, I would take it to AE, but they have yet to revert. 09:24, 29 November 2025 - They wrote a statement against me on a complaint I had filed in AE against another user and claimed to be "un-involved". They were in fact uninvolved in the dispute that they were writing about, but they should have disclosed that we were involved in a dispute in the talk page, and I do not believe this was a coincidence. 6 November 2025 They tagged only "people they like" on a talk page discussion. I warned them on 6 November 2025 and another user warned them for the same edit on 7 November 2025 for WP:CANVASSING. While it may technically not be a violation since it was an informal discussion, it seems inappropriate to tag only certain users to a followup on a discussion on a contreversial topic. Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any Not applicable. If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics) [1] Additional comments by editor filing complaint @Newslinger - The first edit from 03:24, 22 November 2025 is a revert of this edit from 00:00, 10 November 2025, where @Cinaroot removed the two paragraphs previously added in the previous edit. Nehushtani (talk) 07:00, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Cinaroot - The claim that this filing is retaliatory is incorrect considering that I told you the day before 08:34, 28 November 2025 that "This is the third and last time I will ask you. If you do not revert, I will have no choice but to take it to AE." Your support for إيان was only after this warning. Nehushtani (talk) 07:24, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Newslinger - There is an ongoing talk page discussion about whether to include the phrase in question. As per WP:ONUS, it should not be included in the article until there is consensus. Cinaroot violated 1RR to restore the contested content, violating both 1RR and ONUS, it was removed by Coining at 15:37, 23 November 2025, and then restored by M.Bitton less than an hour later at 16:15, 23 November 2025; this is the version that currently stands. Cinaroot wrote on 06:08, 28 November 2025 that "I do not believe it is appropriate to revert it solely to comply with 1RR, as that would only create further disruption." But on the contrary, the disruptive behavior is that of the editors who were violating WP:ONUS and edit warring contested material despite an ongoing discussion. Either way, now that we have determined on 01:38, 3 December 2025 that the first edit at 03:24, 22 November 2025 was considered a revert, the second revert at 07:19, 22 November 2025 was only self-reverted at 02:54, 3 December 2025, after I had opened this case. Nehushtani (talk) 08:04, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Newslinger - Can you please clarify where the line is between WP:TITFORTAT and asking somebody to revert their 1RR violation? I simply saw that @Cinaroot had violated 1RR in their original third edit, and I asked them to revert. Does the fact that another pair of editors had reverted and restored the contested version in between mean that it is no longer a 1RR violation that they're supposed to revert? Or does that mean the person restoring the contested content is responsible for edit warring? Thanks in advance for the clarification! Nehushtani (talk) 09:37, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Newslinger - Thank you for your explanation here. I did not realise that and I will be careful about this in the future. Nehushtani (talk) 10:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @M.Bitton - My understanding is that ONUS applies whenever there is an ongoing discussion. And in this case, there was no stable content; it had been edit warred in and out several times over the previous week. As far as I know, restoring disputed content that has been removed multiple times, without achieving consensus is a textbook case of edit warring. Nehushtani (talk) 12:03, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Cinaroot - please stop casting aspersions on me. I have had Al Jazeera on my watchlist for a long time, and the fact that I reverted you was totally coincidental and unrelated to this AE case. You then asked me to participate at the talk page, so I added sources in the discussion there. Please assume good faith. Also tagging @Newslinger because they were tagged below on the accusation. Nehushtani (talk) 06:24, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested [1] Discussion concerning Cinaroot [edit] Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Cinaroot [edit]   Cinaroot's statement contains 705 words and is within 10% of the 650-word limit. Y Extension granted to 650 words. — Newslinger talk 21:07, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Nehushtani appears to be attempting to weaponize AE and target editor(s) they disapprove. The 1RR issue cited here is between Originalcola and myself, not Nehushtani. Nehushtani was not involved in the discussion on the article talk page — where I clearly stated that Originalcola was free to revert me. Originalcola also explicitly responded with Ideally I’d like you to self-revert, but if you don’t see this that’s fine After Nehushtani targeted me and inserted themselves into the situation on my talk, I again asked Originalcola on my talk page whether they wished for me to self-revert. Their reply was: I am not entirely sure if you need to self-revert the third revert, right? — which confirms that there was no clear expectation that I revert myself. Another reason I did not revert is that multiple editors had already reverted it [16] [17], and a talk-page discussion was underway. Reverting again would only have led to further disruption and 1RR policy shouldn’t be applied through an overly rigid or literal interpretation without considering the underlying principles and context. I also do not think my first edit qualifies as a revert. I asked about in admin noticeboard. No one has responded. Edit_or_Revert Removing or relocating content can be a normal part of editing, and in this case the purpose was to create a new section while retaining most of the material from the original one. Regarding the statement i made in the case against إيان: I am indeed an uninvolved editor, as I was not part of that dispute. I did participated in the RfC today, after submitting my statement. My dispute with Nehushtani does not prohibit me from making a statement on any AE and nor does it relate to AE against إيان. There is no requirement that you must disclose all prior disputes or disagreements with another editor in unrelated discussions. My statements here are in good faith. The canvassing accusation is baseless. It was an informal discussion that could not result in any change to the Contentious topic article title. I am free to notify or tag any editors I choose, as I have already explained here and here. Please also note that - i tagged 2 editors who opposed and supported from previous discussion. Cinaroot (talk) 20:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] @BlookyNapsta You were currently involved in the dispute with إيان and engaged in an edit war with them. Yet you submitted a statement about me without disclosing that involvement, while also arguing that I should have disclosed my active dispute with Nehushtani when I commented in support of إيان. Should the same disclosure standard not apply to you as well? Cinaroot (talk) 19:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Originalcola I only formed the view that Nehushtani is weaponizing AE after they filed the request against me — not before. My statement in support of إيان was made prior to the AE request concerning me. Cinaroot (talk) 19:39, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Newslinger In this edit, Nehushtani stated that I “didn’t tag any pro-Israel editors,” which implies that the editors I did notify are “pro-Palestinian.” In another edit, they accused a different editor of “taking the pro-Palestinian side.” Assigning political identities to editors is inappropriate in ARBPIA, constitutes a personal attack, and violates WP:AGF and WP:ASPERSIONS. Furthermore, they opened an AE request against me immediately after I expressed support for إيان, and 6 days after my 1RR violation and after i agreed to self revert. The timing makes the filing appear retaliatory rather than a neutral enforcement action. Cinaroot (talk) 07:00, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Newslinger Nehushtani is engaged in WP:HOUND - See talk Cinaroot (talk) 19:01, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Newslinger Can I have more words? Nehushtani has now used 800 words. Why are they not respecting the 500-word limit? Cinaroot (talk) 07:06, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Metallurgist Please do not allege serious conduct issues like POV-pushing without providing solid evidence. Impressions based on my poor choice of words and insinuations are not valid evidence. Admins are reminded to avoid unwarranted or disproportionate sanctions based on unsupported claims. Cinaroot (talk) 07:16, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Note: Out of the ~25 people who opposed - at least 10 opposed as per @Cdjp1 So my decision to tag @Cdjp1 is also based on weight. Cinaroot (talk) 07:36, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] 1RR violation reverted here Cinaroot (talk) 02:56, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Newslinger I’m taking a break because of increased conflict - it’s time to step back - If not I might make the situation worse. Ty Cinaroot  💬 02:42, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Statement by BlookyNapsta [edit] Violating 1RR is an affront to the community as a whole. It is not averted when the party being reverted agrees for the revert to stand, much less when they say that they would prefer that the offending editor reverts. Similarly, the claim that Nehushtani isn't a party in this dispute is misplaced, since 1RR is a community standard and not a method for resolving disputes between specific editors. Cinaroot should have self-reverted as soon as they were informed of the violation, and that they didn't should be grounds for sanctions. Regarding "weaponizing AE" - If legitimate CTOP violations brought to AE are labeled as "weaponizing", we are in big trouble. The other two edits may not have been technical violations of policy, but they add to the evidence that Cinaroot should not be participating in in CTOP if this is reflective of their behavior. Pinging only editors who share similar views on the IP conflict to a follow up discussion is inappropriate, as is writing a note on AE against an editor with whom that they are currently in the middle of a dispute without disclosing that. BlookyNapsta (talk) 13:08, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] @M.Bitton - @Cinaroot violated 1RR while also adding contested content which is still under discussion. Wikipedia:ONUS states that "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." In keeping with the combination of Wikipedia:1RR and Wikipedia:ONUS, I believe that they should revert - as in, remove the content in question, which currently appears in the article - until there is a clear consensus to include it, and your own restoration of this disputed content is in itself edit warring. BlookyNapsta (talk) 08:37, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Valereee - Can you please explain how a two-week long ban would solve something that a week ban did not? BlookyNapsta (talk) 13:55, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] This recent discussion on @Cinaroot's talk page from 11 December 2025 may be relevant for this case. Adding as per "Users providing links to relevant past discussions or administrative actions, without any editorialization" as allowed by WP:AEPR. BlookyNapsta (talk) 14:15, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Statement by M.Bitton [edit] @BlookyNapsta: given that Cinaroot was informed of the violation long after their edit was reverted, I don't see how they could have "self-reverted". M.Bitton (talk) 15:01, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] @BlookyNapsta: since self-reverting means reverting one's edit and not someone else's, asking them to "self-revert" in this instance is akin to asking them to edit war (a request that should be ignored). As for the stable content: it's there because someone else restored what was removed without a valid reason. M.Bitton (talk) 13:24, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Originalcola: you only pointed out the violation after their revert had been reverted. M.Bitton (talk) 21:43, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Newslinger and Nehushtani: my understanding of WP:ONUS is that it doesn't apply to sourced stable content (i.e., content that already has implicit consensus). If it did, editors would blank anything they dislike and cite it as a reason. M.Bitton (talk) 11:49, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Nehushtani: not only was the content stable, but the reason given for its removal was based on a misunderstanding of an unrelated discussion. M.Bitton (talk) 12:10, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Newslinger: that sentence was added before Cinaroot's edit on the 8th of November. While the editors keep fiddling with he wording, more or less the same sentence can be seen in the 7 October 2025 permanent link. M.Bitton (talk) 18:08, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Statement by Cdjp1 [edit] As I am involved in the claimed canvassing by Cinaroot, having been tagged by them, I have to say, it doesn't seem to be a clear cut case of potential canvassing. The discussion that Cinaroot started on the talk page for the article (Open (Transparency)) was an informal discussion about a future potential RfC. This informal discussion was off the back of a previous RM started by Cinaroot to rename the article, which saw a conclusion that the article would not be moved to Cinaroot's suggested new title. As most people who opposed this specific move were open to and even suggested potential alternate move targets, Cinaroot wanted to explore potential alternatives further before starting any more formal process in the future. In this informal discussion Cinaroot chose to tag four people from the previous RM for potential input. Of these four people, two had supported the move, and two had opposed it (including myself). As can be seen in the archived discussion, I was strongly against the suggested move. So while picking people [you] like may indicate partisanship (Partisan (Audience)), the choice to pick an equal amount of individuals who supported your position and opposed it, suggests the opposite (Nonpartisan (Audience)). The last two categories we have at WP:CANVASSING for an inappropriate notification on Scale and Message I also don't think are inappropriate as it was the single message on the article talk page (Limited posting), and while the message that is the start of the informal discussion details the bias that is Cinaroot's position, Cinaroot is explicit that this is their opinion, and they want input from others as to what potential future formal discussions could be (Neutral (Message)). -- Cdjp1 (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] Statement by Originalcola [edit] I find the assertion that this is an issue between 2 editors to be extremely misleading, given that he had also reverted the edit of @IOHANNVSVERVS in his first WP:1RR violation. The issue involving me specifcally refers to his reversion of a revert that I had made on the page following [a discussion on the Gaza Genocide talk page]. I am still unsure about what the resolution of the discussion was meant to be, or if it was an RfC or not. The mod who had closed the discussion offered to give an explanation but was injured in a car crash and unable to respond to comments as a result, and many editors who were not involved in the original discussion suggested that the conclusion of the discussion differed from what I thought it was which left me confused. The editor proposed that I could revert their edit in their edit summary and in the talk page. I had not noticed at the time that they had made multiple reverts in a 24 hour time period, so I did not initially insist that they self-revert in the talk page. I was kind of taken aback when they suggested that I should revert their edit and break the WP:1RR myself, which made me think that the request was not sincere. When I was asked again I stated that they should've done so earlier and that I was presently not sure if they needed to revert given that intermediate edits had been made since then. Cinaroot did say that he would revert the edit if I made an explicit request, but this shouldn't have occurred to begin with. I stated that they should have reverted as soon as it was pointed out to them(by both me on the talk page and Nehustani) that they had broken WP:1RR, stating i don't see a point in reverting it just for the sake of 1RR and that While we should follow these rules, it’s equally important to understand why those rules exist. Policies shouldn’t be applied through an overly rigid or literal interpretation without considering the underlying principles. This is also not the only time that this editor has broken the WP:1RR on this page, as they did so around one month prior: [18] [19] [20]. The justification that was given to me when I raised this concern was that the content was removed as part of talk discussions. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gaza_genocide/Archive_20#Are_protest_images_relevant_here?, but this is only not true for all the content removed but also irrelevant to this issue. I also find it concerning that they claimed to be an uninvolved editor in another AE, which seems to be directly contradicted by the seperate claim that Nehushtani appears to be attempting to weaponize AE and target editor(s) they disapprove. The fact that they held this view after earlier claiming to have accidently violated WP:1RR is weird, since it appears to be an extreme assumption of bad faith towards Nehushtani. Either way they should not have portrayed themselves as uninvolved given that the 2 editors were involved in a dispute. Originalcola (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] @M.Bitton - But you then reverted the revert of their revert didn't you? His second edit also wasn't reverted and could've been when I pointed it out. Originalcola (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Statement by Metallurgist [edit] Cinaroot has seemed to be POV pushing and trying to force their views onto articles all over PIA, which has been concerning. They seem heavily focused on that area to the point of bordering on WP:SPA. The instance where I felt they were canvassing was not directly canvassing for support, but did give an unsavory appearance. Even tagging for and against, they still mentioned tagging editors they liked, which was selective and entirely unnecessary. I did agree with the discussion proposal, but to not include all involved editors is disingenuous. I would have made it myself, but I knew it would involve tagging a large number of people. In light of that, it would have been best to just tag no one. Im also wondering why they archived the entire talkpage of Palestinian genocide accusation [21] [22] [23]. As it is, that issue is still unresolved. The RFC on Israel also looks like an attempt at POV pushing. In a lot of these cases, what they want is already mentioned, and they are trying to push it further along beyond what is reasonable. I think some sort of PIA restriction for awhile might be in order, at least to see if they are willing to broaden their contributions. ← Metallurgist (talk) 06:16, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Sean.hoyland I had the same thought of looking into edit counts and it is indeed somewhat difficult to evaluate. But I noticed the top edited pages include Gaza genocide, Al Jazeera Media Network, Palestine, Gaza war, al Jazeera English, List of companies involved in the Gaza war. What did you use for those percentages? Feel free to reply on my TP to save words. ← Metallurgist (talk) 20:15, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Statement by Sean.hoyland [edit] re: They seem heavily focused on that area to the point of bordering on WP:SPA. 'seem' is probably not very reliable. I don't know how to test whether an account qualifies as single purpose, but we can label revisions and count them. If you do that for Cinaroot using the strictest possible model of the topic area, pages where ECR applies to the entire page (and talk page), Cinaroot has made 32.3% of their post-extendedconfirmed edits in the topic area. A few comparisons for interest: Originalcola: 37.4%, Nehushtani: 24.3%, BlookyNapsta: 16.3%, Cdjp1: 7.4%. I am an SPA, as it states on my user page, or at least that is my intent, to only carry out PIA related actions, and my post-extendedconfirmed percentage is 55%. Metallurgist, you are 17.3% for interest. These are all undercounts somewhat in that they don't include edits to pages only partly covered by ECR, but it gives you some idea of the numbers. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:46, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Statement by Iljhgtn [edit] I worked with Cinaroot on Elon Musk and found them to be a thoughtful and helpful editor. Couldn’t just a warning be sufficient here? This seems purely punitive with no clear benefit to the encyclopedia. Iljhgtn (talk) 07:20, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Statement by (username) [edit] Result concerning Cinaroot [edit] This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above. @Nehushtani: Could you identify the original edit for which the 03:24, 22 November 2025, diff would be considered a revert of? — Newslinger talk 18:19, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Nehushtani: At 08:34, 28 November 2025 07:28, 28 November 2025, why did you tell Cinaroot that "If you do not revert, I will have no choice but to take it to AE", when Cinaroot's "third edit" at 02:00, 23 November 2025, had already been reverted by another editor at 15:37, 23 November 2025? — Newslinger talk 01:38, 3 December 2025 (UTC) Fixed diff — Newslinger talk 09:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Nehushtani: Based on your response, your comment at 07:28, 28 November 2025, told Cinaroot that you would file an AE case against Cinaroot if Cinaroot did not revert content that was most recently restored by M.Bitton at 16:15, 23 November 2025. That comment crossed the line into tit-for-tat behavior and was inappropriate. If you wanted to have the content removed from the article, you should have asked Cinaroot without tying your request to a potential filing of an AE report, asked M.Bitton to remove the content, or participated in the discussion at Talk:Gaza genocide § Result of the previous RfC yourself. This problem is limited to your demand for Cinaroot to revert their "third edit", not their second. — Newslinger talk 09:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Nehushtani: We have identified that Cinaroot's first edit (03:24, 22 November 2025) is a partial revert, so it was acceptable for you to tell Cinaroot that you would file an AE report against them if they did not undo their second revert (07:19, 22 November 2025), because that second revert violated WP:1RR and was still present in the article at the time of your comment. However, it is not acceptable to tell an editor that you will file an AE report against them unless they undo someone else's edit. Cinaroot's third edit (02:00, 23 November 2025) had already been reverted by another editor when you posted the comment, which means that Cinaroot was no longer obligated to remove the content at that point, despite it still being another WP:1RR violation. The content was then restored by M.Bitton, who assumes responsibility for the content. M.Bitton's restoration of the disputed content was not compliant with WP:ONUS, but that is out of the scope of this enforcement request ("The scope of a discussion is limited to the conduct of two parties: the filer and the user being reported"). — Newslinger talk 10:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Correction: I retracted my comment about WP:ONUS, because the content restored in Cinaroot's third revert was originally added by Cinaroot at 04:31, 8 November 2025, before it underwent a series of changes by three other editors at 15:28, 8 November 2025; 02:45, 9 November 2025; and 20:53, 10 November 2025. Per the edit summary of that second change, the statement was discussed at Talk:Gaza genocide/Archive 32 § Israel's denial of genocide in lede, so WP:ONUS may have been satisfied for this content. M.Bitton's editing history is outside the scope of this enforcement request, so I have not examined it closely. — Newslinger talk 17:48, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @M.Bitton: Corrected again. I have traced the content addition slightly further back to this 22:04, 5 October 2025, edit by another editor. Based on the age of this content and the fact that it had been discussed on the talk page, I would consider WP:ONUS to be met, although I am noting this observation solely to ensure that the record here is accurate, as it is of limited relevance to this enforcement request. — Newslinger talk 18:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Cinaroot: There is no need to specify whether you are "un-involved" when you are offering a statement in a "Discussion concerning..." section on this noticeboard (as done in your 09:24, 29 November 2025, edit), because it makes no difference to the result. — Newslinger talk 18:19, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Cinaroot: Your word limit has been extended to 650 words to allow you to substantiate your claim. — Newslinger talk 21:07, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Cinaroot: I consider your edit at 03:24, 22 November 2025 to be a revert of another editor's edit at 00:00, 10 November 2025, regardless of the extent to which you agree or disagree with the content in the latter edit. When you remove content from an article covered by the one-revert rule, you need to refrain from further content removals on that article for 24 hours. See Wikipedia:Reverting for examples of what is commonly considered a revert and what is not. — Newslinger talk 01:38, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Noting user talk page discussion at User talk:Newslinger#AE - revert for the record. — Newslinger talk 02:09, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Cinaroot: Pinging only four editors in your 07:32, 6 November 2025, edit was inappropriate. This is mitigated by your selection of two editors who supported and two editors who opposed the move request at Talk:Palestinian genocide accusation/Archive 3 § Requested move 26 September 2025, which is proportional to the "~28 editors" who supported and "~28 editors" who opposed the move request (per the closing summary). Nevertheless, whether you "like" an editor is not a neutral criterion for selecting editors to ping. If you wish to ping editors who participated in a related discussion, you should ideally ping all of the editors or none at all. — Newslinger talk 09:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Metallurgist: In Talk:Israel § RfC: Whether to state that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians, although you posted a comment with "Strong oppose" in boldface, other editors expressed a range of views including both support and opposition in considerable volumes. In light of this, why do you believe Cinaroot's creation of the request for comment is "an attempt at POV pushing" that supports a sanction to curtail Cinaroot's editing in the topic area? — Newslinger talk 01:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Ditto here about the the participation restriction. Literally commenters are discussing amongst themselves. Sorry if I'm sticking my oar in unhelpfully. I just feel like you're working really hard here, Newslinger. Valereee (talk) 10:44, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] No more from anyone except the subject and filer per this. Cinaroot and Nehushtani, no more responding to anyone but admins working here who ask you a question. No further additional words will be granted except to answer questions from admins. Any uninvolved admin should feel free to adjust this. Valereee (talk) 12:53, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Anyone who wants to ask a question about this, please do it at talk and ping me. Valereee (talk) 13:03, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Okay, I'm proposing a two-week block of Cinaroot for violating 1RR, as they've previously been blocked for a week for the same issue. I will wait for other admins to chime in. Valereee (talk) 13:23, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @BlookyNapsta, this discussion is also participation restricted. Valereee (talk) 14:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] I'm thinking Gaza genocide needs a consensus required restriction. I will wait for other admins to chime in. Valereee (talk) 21:17, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] @Originalcola: The three diffs you provided do not show a WP:1RR violation, as consecutive reverts count as a single revert for the first two diffs (06:45, 21 October 2025, and 06:47, 21 October 2025), and the third diff (16:36, 20 November 2025) is dated almost a month later. — Newslinger talk 08:18, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] I also support a two-week block of Cinaroot for breaching WP:1RR in light of the prior block. Additionally, as part of the claims in the filing are valid, Cinaroot should be either reminded or warned not to cast aspersions (i.e. claiming that an editor "appears to be attempting to weaponize AE and target editor(s) they disapprove"). I do not believe any of the other presented evidence is actionable against Cinaroot specifically. WP:1RR has failed to prevent edit warring on the Gaza genocide article, which is high-profile enough for multiple editors to engage in excessive back-and-forth reverting, sometimes over an extended period of time. I also support implementing the consensus required restriction on the article to reduce the level of disruption. Participating editors may be interested in maintaining a list of points on Talk:Gaza genocide that constitute the current consensus, as seen in the example Talk:Donald Trump § Current consensus.​ — Newslinger talk 08:20, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] On my user talk page, Cinaroot suggested that their prior block (16–17 months ago) was too far in the past to warrant a block. When I asked if they had an alternative restriction in mind, Cinaroot offered to "take a logged self article ban, whether for one or two weeks" instead of a block. I am posting this here for consideration, although I believe that a 1–2 week block would be a more typical outcome for this case. — Newslinger talk 22:01, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] The earlier block was also for a 1RR vio with refusal to self-revert in the same CT, it looks like. I'd be willing to consider alternatives, though. Maybe an indef tban for PIA, liftable by any admin; I prefer indefs generally as they require the editor to discuss, but tbans are hard. Maybe an indef 0RR, liftable by any admin; that's easier on the editor because it basically requires them to open a talk page section on a given change before they make it. Maybe an indef requirement as an AE action (so not liftable by a single admin) to comply with any request to revert themselves. (The reason I suggest this one should be liftable only by the community is that this is what Cinaroot should be doing anyway at any CT, it's not that onerous a requirement, and I'd want to see the discussion of why it's no longer needed.) Cinaroot, FWIW, we aren't trying to be harsh, and we certainly aren't trying to be punitive. We're just trying to prevent disruption in this highly contentious area. If you're going to work in this area -- and especially if you're going to work in some of the most highly contentious articles within the CT, which you are -- your behavior has to be pretty much perfect. For heaven's sake, when someone asks you to self-revert in a CT, do it and go talk. I'd self-revert at List of volcanoes if someone asked me to. Valereee (talk) 11:28, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] WP:0RR can be burdensome because tracing the addition or removal of content through the edit history is a time-consuming and error-prone process, as my above comments show, and this would need to be done for every single edit Cinaroot makes in the topic area. However, when the entire contentious topic is already under 1RR, the only revert restriction available is 0RR. The originally proposed two-week block would be the least onerous result for Cinaroot at this point, with the block serving as a deterrent against future 1RR violations. — Newslinger talk 15:20, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Hate to suggest bespoke, but 'required to open a talk section before making any edit in a 1RR article'? Valereee (talk) 17:50, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] All of WP:CT/A-I is under 1RR, so I would consider this requirement to be almost as severe as a standard 0RR restriction in the topic area. In my opinion, the two-week block with the consensus required page restriction on the Gaza genocide article should be sufficient. — Newslinger talk 18:46, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Okay. In general I think timed blocks are not as useful as indefs. This editor can just wait out a time block. But I know edit warring usually goes for lengthening timed blocks. What I'd like to see if this editor not doing this again rather than simply arguing that it's been so long two weeks is overharsh. But I'll get on board with what others think is best. Valereee (talk) 18:51, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] I disfavor timed topic bans for that reason, but because indefinite sitewide blocks prevent any editing (aside from appealing the block), I reserve them for urgent or persistent issues, or for editors who are WP:NOTHERE, to minimize attrition for editors whose edits are mostly constructive. I would also appreciate a third opinion, as it has been almost two weeks with only the two of us commenting in this section. — Newslinger talk 20:19, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] I'm not suggesting a sitewide indef. I'm suggesting a tban for PIA, or a 0RR, or a bespoke "revert when asked". Valereee (talk) 20:59, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] Sorry for misunderstanding. Among these three options, 0RR scoped to WP:CT/A-I is my preference, although I favor a two-week sitewide block over all three options. — Newslinger talk 21:10, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] I'll go along. The editor had asked for other options, and I feel like any of the three I suggested would be less onerous for them, but I'll go with the flow. Valereee (talk) 21:18, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] BlookyNapsta, I see the link and have read the diffs. I don't see much there. If you think I'm missing something, you can have 100 words to explain what it is you think we should be paying attention to. Valereee (talk) 17:31, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] This enforcement request is already 2.5 weeks old, longer than the two-week block that is being proposed. If no other administrators comment in this section within the next 1–2 days, then the proposed two-week block of Cinaroot and the proposed consensus required restriction on the Gaza genocide article should be implemented. — Newslinger talk 13:07, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] +1 Valereee (talk) 13:31, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply] That looks reasonable -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 15:06, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]