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The result was keep. Consensus is to Keep this article. Liz Read! Talk! 06:44, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lily Champ

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I PRODded this because my WP:BEFORE search didn't find any independent RS coverage outside of this Laois Today article, which I think is too brief to constitute sigcov. ‎Guliolopez (courtesy ping) dePRODded and added citations to Irish Country Magazine and the Irish Farmers Journal, but Champ writes a column in both of those outlets, so I'm not convinced that they're independent of the subject. Happy to discuss. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

She was featured on a television show on RTE (no link to the show, but it's discussed in this press pack [1]), down near the bottom. Oaktree b (talk) 04:01, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Agree with the assessment above, weak but she's at GNG due to the television programs. Oaktree b (talk) 16:31, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. In all honesty, and with thanks to Extraordinary Writ for the "courtesy ping", I'm still on-the-fence on this one. Even with the well-sourced improvements and supported additions by Cielquiparle (thanks), I'm not sure it's clear-cut either way. While I can't outright justify or advocate that we "keep" a stand-alone BIO article, I also don't think that outright deletion is the correct course. The only WP:ATD I can consider is a merge (of the overlapping content) to Irish Farmers Journal. With a redirect left behind. Otherwise, in all honesty, I'm not sure what to suggest. While not a clear-cut candidate for PROD (and I still stand behind my dePROD), I don't have a firm AfD recommendation either way... Guliolopez (talk) 16:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep She's not very notable. Important sources we rely on to establish notability are also places where she's been published, but I assume there are not that many Irish gardening publications and that anyone who's spent a long life in the industry might have the same issue. I think we have to assume they have sufficient editorial credibility. I've struggled with this one for same/similar reasons that people have stated above, but my main question to is therefore "is the encyclopedia better with her in it or not in it. so I vote keep. CT55555(talk) 15:54, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) Bruxton (talk) 22:27, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Winter-Telling Stories

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:BKCRIT. Also no results in google or news. `~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 23:06, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Star Mississippi 22:21, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Mulvaney

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I am not convinced that notability has been met here for a living persons page. Citations seem to all be news reports or blog type websites. I am unsure this represents a significant contribution in relation to the requirements for notability. TheMouseMen (talk) 22:40, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • What’s she Notable for in a sentence?

Then we can see if there’s evidence for that. Tannim101 (talk) 16:50, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 22:18, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fausto Alemán

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Article about former footballer who now plays beach football. His football career involved a handful of appearances in the Mexican second level, and consistent with the initial AfD in 2017, there is no significant coverage available (newer coverage focuses entirely on his beach football career, but nothing is in-depth just match reports like this and a quick blurb like this. Article probably should have been deleted back in 2017, but it's crystal clear after WP:NSPORTS2022 that it fails our notability guidelines. Jogurney (talk) 22:37, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to 1990 NSWRL season. Star Mississippi 22:15, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1990 Channel 10 Challenge Cup

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I found no significant coverage and the article has only one reference. SL93 (talk) 20:46, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. I'm not trying to shape policy, I found the arguments of those advocating Delete more persuasive than those arguing to Keep this article and I don't see that this list fulfills recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes. Liz Read! Talk! 05:52, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of tallest buildings in Charleston, South Carolina

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Per extensive recent consensus on these types of lists, they must meet WP:NLIST/WP:GNG. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Shreveport and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Montgomery, Alabama which both closed as clear delete, with closure statements refuting the argument that any other criteria takes precedence over notability for these lists.

The topic of tall buildings in Charleston, South Carolina as a whole has no significant coverage that I found, so GNG/NLIST is not met. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:53, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture, Lists, and South Carolina. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:53, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Wikpedia consensus to keep lists of notable subjects for navigation and per Wikipedia:CSC, which does require all items to be blue-linked. Useful surevy with embedded with useful information about history, growth, development, urban planning, streetscape of Charleston. Djflem (talk) 07:23, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The cited closures do not address WP:NLIST:There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists, although non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations are touched upon in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory. Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. They are attempts by closers to write policy, which is NOT the role of closers and should be disregarded as such. Djflem (talk) 08:15, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No, they are the result of closers assessing arguments and systematically rejecting yours. There may have been no clear consensus on how to handle such lists when that passage was written, but the across-the-board delete closures indicate that the community has indeed come to a consensus about these lists. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:44, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The passage as written was the guideline in effect and is still in effect and will remain the guideline in effect until such time as it is re-written. Therefore any creative interpretation does not constitute a guideline approved by the community, but rather a position taken by the closer, who would have done better to join the discussion with their opinion, rather than use it in their closure, which go beyond reporting neutrally the outcome of discussion. Djflem (talk) 19:45, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The portion you cite isn't a black and white prescription for keeping these lists. Read the actual words, not what you want them to say. It says "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept". Let's break that down.
    First of all, that says "Often kept". Not "must be kept," not "always kept", but "often kept". It's not describing what must be done, but simply reporting that this is often done. Second of all, the consensus was extremely clear at the above-cited closes (especially Montgomery, Alabama) that "tallest buildings" lists do not necessarily "fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes," so even if that passage was prescriptive (again - it's not), it wouldn't apply to these lists. Considering how clear the consensus has been, it would have been a supervote for the closers to close them any other way. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:43, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    As written in above mentioned: "While this seems natural for cities known for the height of their buildings like Chicago, and New York, at some point, there must be a cutoff. The consensus here represents a definition that the city for this list is below that cutoff" is writing a guideline. It is specific in stating "this" city (Montgomery), but that has been construed to mean other cities, while the newly created "cutoff" was never actually was defined. Nowhere does it specify type of city or height of buildings, though there have been numerous claims that it has. Djflem (talk) 21:04, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The cutoff is that such lists, by clear consensus, must meet notability guidelines. Sources must exist showing that the topic is discussed as a whole. Closers of such lengthy AfDs often sum up the consensus as a courtesy explaining their thinking; this is not "writing a guideline" by any means. For the closers to specify type of city or height of buildings would of course be overstepping into creating policy by fiat - which of course is why none of them have done so on any of these AfDs. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:20, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No, their explanation is very specific in its supposed "cutoff" about types of cities and heights of buildings, an attempt write guideline, and goes onto say The consensus here represents a definition that the city for this list is below that cutoff. It's not a courtesy, it's overreach and in conflict with the role of a closer. Djflem (talk) 05:24, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If you had that much of a problem with the close, you should have DRV'd it two years ago. Complaining that it's illegitimate now after these articles have continued to be deleted by clear consensus is obviously just a case of sour grapes. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:16, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, let's just acknowledge that any AfD nomination citing the faulty close, as you have, are faulty themselves. Djflem (talk) 07:19, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per WP:NLIST, Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. In this case, many of the list entries are on notable subjects and so I feel this article meets the criteria. Nomination appears to be a case of WP:OTHERSTUFF and neither appear to be comparable anyway as the majority of entries in those cases did not have articles. Garuda3 (talk) 19:23, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Please see the above discussion; this argument clearly does not apply to these lists in the absence of any sources about the topic as a whole. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:25, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't follow your reasoning. The close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Montgomery, Alabama that you linked above is pretty clear that whether to keep or delete should be decided on a case-by-case basis and not by blindly following any particular guideline. Garuda3 (talk) 20:40, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So you agree that we should have to make a case for notability for each of these articles individually. Great! In which case, please make the case for notability in a policy-based manner depending on sources, not by "blindly following" NLIST's note that such articles are often (not always, not must) kept. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:18, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Seems rather useless, most of the "building" are under two hundred feet, most are church steeples and most if not all don't even seem to be on the NRHP or heritage buildings. A list just for the sake of having a list isn't needed, show me why these deserve to be tabulated. There is no discussion before the chart showing why they don't have very tall buildings, or why most are churches for example. I'd be inclined to !keep if we had some explanation, rather than just a list. Oaktree b (talk) 20:45, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Look at the list for Los Angeles for example, that's a proper article on wiki. Some discussion about the buildings, then the list. I can't find anything discussing the history of tall buildings in Charleston either. Oaktree b (talk) 20:48, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete When five of the first six entries are church steeples, we're talking a place where the height of buildings is hardly noted. We have mostly deleted these lists because of the lack of evidence that people really care; they were largely copied from Emporis without regard to whether anyone cared what the twenty-fifth tallest building in 'Random City" was. Mangoe (talk) 21:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Unambiguous NLIST failure. There is no demonstration that there is any real discussion in secondary sources about this subject. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:07, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If we can say something substantive about the tallest buildings in the articles on the city of Charleston, South Carolina it can be done there. There is no justification for this list article. The list also fails WP:GNG and WP:NLIST, which is a mess of WP:LISTCRUFT. CPORfan (talk) 14:26, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marcus Campbell (artist)

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Fails, WP:NARTIST and WP:GNG, possible hoax? Theroadislong (talk) 18:04, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Based on this book and write-up, he may meet the first criteria of WP:ARTIST. It's the only one I can find though. If more similar commentary on his work by peers cannot be found, deletion is likely most appropriate. The fact he is recognized by known artists who published books about his work combined with his earlier literary career might combine to approach notability. As for the award he supposedly won, I can't independently verify that he won it, but it does appear to be a fairly significant award in New Zealand. Still, I doubt this would be enough to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:AUTHOR. Chagropango (talk) 18:36, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Sargeson prize which Mr Campbell says he won in 1981 did not exist then. Frank Sargeson only died in 1982 and a fellowship in his name was set up in 1987 which included a literature prize. From the Frank Sargeson Wikipedia entry: In 1987, the Trust established the Sargeson Fellowship, a New Zealand literary award, to provide assistance to New Zealand writers. Some writers who have received the award include Janet Frame (who was, appropriately, the first writer to receive the award in 1987),[5] Alan Duff and Michael King. From 1987 to 1996 the award was paid for by the Trust, but after funding ran out, law firm Buddle Findlay took over sponsorship from 1997 to 2013 and the fellowship was renamed the Buddle Findlay Sargeson Fellowship.[29][30] Since 2013, the fellowship has been sponsored by law firm Grimshaw & Co and it is now known as the Grimshaw Sargeson Fellowship.[31] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthtalker13 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Amazon biography also quotes the Sargeson Prize this time 1983 and for a book of short stories Mr Campbell only published on Amazon in 2017. Please note also that all 3 reviews are by the same person. Mention of Fulbright award and Katherine Mansfield awards cannot be verified and are likely to be a hoax. https://www.amazon.com/Marcus-Campbell/e/B07ZC9D18Q/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1 Truthtalker13 — Preceding undated comment added 22:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@MurrayGreshler: The Find NZ Artists pages aren't resumes, they're just a record of where artist's files can be found. The fact that his artist's files are held at New Zealand's national museum is probably a point towards notability rather than away from it (although isn't enough on its own, per my below comment). Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 23:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Chocmilk03: -- Thanks. I knew the word "resume" was not correct but I couldn't think of the right term and had to choose the closest thing I could think of. However, I did check the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa link earlier as well ([https://findnzartists.org.nz/artist/2492/marcus-campbell) for Campbell info, and -- unlike other artists whom I sampled -- the file has no information for Campbell, not even the most basic. MurrayGreshler (talk) 23:09, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 05:41, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ezaz Yusufi

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST. No significant coverage in reliable media which shows the subject passes notability guidelines. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 14:50, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 17:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tharik Hussain

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Fails WP:GNG. Lacks significant coverage in independent sources which has not changed since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tharik Hussain. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 14:47, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:17, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jashim Salam

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Fails WP:GNG due to the absence of any significant coverage or contribution. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 14:43, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.. I googled a bit and found something. The Guardian mentioned him: [[6]]. The Washington Post: [[7]]. There are mentions in Spanish [[8]] and Portuguese [[9]], too. There is an interview with him as an award winner [[10]]. --Suitskvarts (talk) 09:56, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Looked into articles mentioned by @Suitskvarts... I think there is enough coverage and given where the sources are coming from also supports the case. HennSw123 (talk) 23:47, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the sources analyzed by suitskvarts seem to show GNG, I can't find anything extra. Oaktree b (talk) 22:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:15, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Toufique Imrose Khalidi

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST. Much of the sources are single mentions or are from Bdnews24.com (an online news site), of which he is the editor. Sources one and two are quotations from him in news articles. Source three is an article written by him. Source four notes he was a panellist at an event. Source five says he was a panellist at an event. Source Six is a quotation. Source seven is his profile on his news site. Source eight is significant coverage in an independent source. Source nine is an article written by him on his news site. Source ten is 404. Source 11 is his site. Source 12 is his site. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 14:36, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Strong keep Much coverage of the scandal such as [11], perhaps not meeting JOURNALIST but is at GNG with the media coverage about his financial doings, talk of corruption and such. Oaktree b (talk) 22:30, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Agree with nom and did some cleanup to remove what was only sourced to Bdnews24.com. Searching for sources, outside of the case against him, sources are from his news site, brief mentions or his statements. However, I don't think the coverage about his legal issues meets GNG as the sources do not state much about him. Happy to reconsider, though. S0091 (talk) 19:19, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 20:50, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merican Sutan

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Another public servant who, while accomplished, does not have enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 14:36, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is tiring sometimes, but we need to review all article for notability guidelines to ensure wikipedia is kept reliable. There is nothing personal about the nomination, we have to treat every review the same, to keep it fair for everyone. Oaktree b (talk) 01:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:22, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex PF-X

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"Article strictly relies on a primary and another unreliable third party source, mostly WP:OR. The stub is too short due to lack of coverage and details among reliable sources to even have a section in PAC, leave alone having a standalone article. Swift deletion requested. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 13:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)"[reply]

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The result was merge to Younger Dryas impact hypothesis. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:17, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comet Research Group

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There has been a lot of buzz around certain pseudoarchaeology claims associated with this group. However, the group itself as a group does not seem to be notable in the sense that there are almost no independent, reliable sources written about the group. For whatever reason, there just has not yet been the notice we would require to write a neutral summary of this group's work because, well, the group is fringe. WP:NFRINGE asks us to look for sincere and significant sources upon which to base our content. As it is, we have puff pieces, press releases, the group's own say-so, and brief mentions in articles that are talking about certain claims the group has made. Unless and until serious sources about the group are created, I just do not think Wikipedia can host an article that will be up to our standards. jps (talk) 09:26, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I concur. If there is a choice between allowing unsourced claims and deleting the article, then it should be deleted.
The only reason it exists is because certain users wanted to use wikipedia as a platform to discredit the CRG. A collaboration between Doug Wells and Hoopes to push unsupportable claims. Once those unsupportable claims are challenged, and found to not stand up to scrutiny, there isn't much left to justify an article. Incendiex90 (talk) 11:03, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note this must leave a redirect and retain most of the content. Doug Weller talk 18:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The comment that the Comet Research Group only present "puff pieces, press releases, the group's own say-so, and brief mentions in articles that are talking about certain claims the group has made" is not realistic. They have many publications in major peer-reviewed journals such as PNAS - who Wikipedia list as "PNAS is the second most cited scientific journal, with more than 1.9 million cumulative citations from 2008 to 2018." So the grumble that their work is only pseudo science is not true unless the majority of peer reviewed articles in PNAS is also pseudo science. Wikipedia's deletion criteria only lists one of 14 that might apply: # 14: Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia. I would hope that serious scientific discussions would be worthy of listing in an encyclopedia. Science is not meant to be consensus driven nor a popularity poll. Science is about proposing theories that better explain the observations. The CRG does that very well, even if you do not like their theories. BurgRes (talk) 07:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Did you not understand the argument? It's that the sources about the group are scarce. I make not judgement as to how many sources about other things the group itself has created. jps (talk) 03:45, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 17:06, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

B. P. C. M. Babyland English Medium High School, Kokrajhar

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Private school that doesn't seem to meet WP:NSCHOOL. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:29, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 16:56, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tumayo Ka't... Lumaban

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Appears to fail WP:NFILM. Only 1 review found in a BEFORE. Tagged for notability.

PROD removed with no improvements or comments DonaldD23 talk to me 16:49, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 16:55, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don George (boxer)

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:19, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:28, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Elijah Lothamer

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Was sent to draft for improvement, then moved back without any improvement. Not a single in-depth reference from a reliable, independent, secondary source. Searches did not turn up any either. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 14:02, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:28, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Białołęka

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A redirect to the city was reverted without improvement. Not enough in-depth coverage to show that it passes WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 13:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Already deleted CSD G5 so I'm closing this discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 05:35, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nasir Chaudhry

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Cross-wiki spam that is a classic case of WP:REFBOMB of 'references' that don't even mention the subject. Those that do mention him are completely unreliable and are actually written by Nasir Chaudhry or a close relative. Full source analysis to follow. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
No The blog is authored by 'Nasirsinger' so this is likely the subject interviewing himself No Blog No Basic Q&A ✘ No
No Written by 'nasirmusic012' No No The English is very poor (e.g. inconsistent gender pronouns, probably machine translated) ✘ No
No Author is 'infonasirmusic' No No ✘ No
Yes Yes No Doesn't mention the subject ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
No Author is 'infonasirmusic' No No Routine song announcement ✘ No
No No No YouTube video ✘ No
Yes Yes No Article is instead about Malik Al Nasir ✘ No
No Written by 'nasirmusic012' No No ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
No No Anyone can create an account and post here No ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
No Extremely promotional No Anyone can create an account and post here No ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
No Author is 'nasirjaanofficial20' No No ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
No No No Not mentioned ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
No No Anyone can create an account and post here No ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
No No Anyone can create an account and post here No ✘ No
No No Anyone can create an account and post here No ✘ No
No No Blogspot unacceptable No Not mentioned ✘ No
Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
No Author is 'nasirjaanofficial20' No No ✘ No
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  • Strong delete and WP:SALT as a continual recreation of a non-notable singer. I was actually prepping an AfD myself in order to try and conclude this continual recreation with a community consensus but was beaten to it! The nom is absolutely correct in that this is a case of significant WP:REFBOMB and from checking, a considerable amount of the citations are not even about the subject (for example, #5, #6, #9, #13, #23.. and many others). I also concur that those which mention him cannot be relied upon or being independent WP:SECONDARY sources. As a side-note, the most recent article creator is probably also the subject themselves, based on their username and that pretty much their entire wikipedia contribution is this article. Bungle (talk • contribs) 09:41, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly agree with salting here Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:31, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:03, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Adrien Frigola

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Completely unsourced BLP Signed, Pichemist ( Contribs | Talk ) 07:59, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard deletion request, I did not notice it was a draft Signed, Pichemist ( Contribs | Talk ) 08:00, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Overwhelming consensus to Keep this article. But it would really benefit the article if the many, many sources that Keep voters say exist were added to the article. Liz Read! Talk! 05:44, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PyCharm

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Fails GNG and poorly sourced. Was redirected earlier in the year but this was reverted recently. This should either be deleted or redirected back. Anarchyte (talk) 05:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:11, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent comparison

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I couldn't find any source for this use of the term except what's already in the article, which is a WordPress blog. I found some logical fallacy listing sites containing different meanings of the term than what the article contains; I don't think they're RS either, though.

Seems like it might be WP:MADEUP. CharredShorthand (talk) 05:11, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. ℰmi1y⧼T·C⧽ 10:58, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:10, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of hidden races in DC Comics

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Listing this one because of scope issues. What is a "hidden race"? The article provides an ORish definition. It also partially overlaps with List of alien races in DC Comics, and we could consider a merge of these two into a List of fictional species in DC Comics or such (name suggested based on category:DC Comics species), although for both topics, WP:LISTN is an issue. The odds are that one list of DC species might pass LISTN, but we don't need two, particularly when one is using this weird concept of "hidden races". Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:11, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete what the heck IS a “hidden race”? Who came up with the nonsense definition provided? What’s wrong with “species”? Dronebogus (talk) 12:39, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Rorshacma as WP:OR. There isn't coverage that established this as a topic. I might possibly support a merged list if someone can find a scope that is verified in third-party sources and is also reasonably focused. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:07, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of objects in the DC Universe

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A totally unreferenced, indiscriminate list with too big of a scope. Everything is an "object", including sentient beings, locations, etc. (and we have dedicated lists for these). Article fails WP:V, WP:NLIST, and WP:IPC, to start with. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:06, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete ridiculously broad concept. Unviable. Dronebogus (talk) 12:40, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 05:07, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Franklin Academy (Connecticut)

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(Possibly) a lack of significant coverage in RS, not sure if it's enough to meet WP:NSCHOOL. A few news outlet sources - I only found [31] and [32] and the article currently cites two Hartford Courant articles from before, and the first year of, the school's lifetime. ~Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 04:56, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete - serious WP:UNDUE issues. Pretty much the entirety of reliably sourced information is about the unrelated institutions that used the real estate this institution currently occupies. It doesn't belong in this article. A possible ATD might be to redirect it to the education section of the appropriate settlement article where telling the story of multiple educational institutions using the same property might be more appropriate. 174.212.228.83 (talk) 05:20, 27 November 2022 (UTC) (I'm trying to strike this vote, but it isn't rendering correctly. 174.212.228.83 (talk) 04:12, 30 November 2022 (UTC))[reply]

  • Keep - well-established boarding school yet without a controversy, refreshing. -- Saintstephen000 (talk)
    • Saintstephen000, an argument that actually applies at AFD would be nice. Neither age or reputation are factors in deletion. Off point !votes are routinely discounted when closing an AFD, so effectively, you've done nothing here but waste both your, and everyone else's time. It pays to read the instructions. 174.212.228.83 (talk) 04:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for taking the time to read and kindly respond with a gentle correction. we will certainly take your well-intentioned suggestions under advisement. Saintstephen000 (talk)

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn, no support for Deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 00:36, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Minskiy Kurier

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NME. You really cant find anything about this newspaper company besides some newspaper listing companies but that doesn't make it notable. `~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 04:54, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw. It would be better to WP:PROD this instead, I don't believe that a discussion about it is necessary.
Hello, HelpingWorld, you can't PROD an article that has been nominated for an AFD deletion discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 06:21, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz, thats why i said I want to withdraw the nomination and then after prod it since I think a discussion is not needed about this subject.`~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 22:49, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I disagree with your assessment. Can't we avoid the unnecessary time needed for me to object to the PROD and instead discuss it here? JMWt (talk) 12:47, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I think that this one is hard to assess unless one reads Russian. Минский курьер appears to me to be quite an extensive news operation but I can't read the sources to tell if there are RS to the required level because I'm not a Russian speaker. I suspect that they probably do exist. JMWt (talk) 09:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Ig Nobel Prize. Liz Read! Talk! 00:35, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Paul DeFanti

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A fictional figure as part of a joke in the Ig Noble Prize. While there's a few passing mentions related to this fellow in the context of "jokes within a joke award", I'm not seeing anything that would suggest this in-joke warrants a dedicated article. Hog Farm Talk 04:39, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 00:34, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel J. Quirk

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Insignificant coverage for WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Of the sources in the article, one is mostly a primary source interview, the BBB page has no useful information, and the last focuses primarily on Fore River Shipyard with only a trivial mention of Quirk. All other sources focus primarily on Quirk's businesses (rather than himself) and provide little biographical information or indication of significance beyond owning a few small car dealerships and part of a shipyard (also largely used for his businesses). PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 03:35, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. CSD A7. Liz Read! Talk! 08:59, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aldrin Templo Basister

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Obviously non-notable and bordering on WP:A7. Sources are unreliable, single role in non-notable play is insufficient for WP:NACTOR, WP:BEFORE found no more sources, hence WP:GNG and WP:BASIC are also failed. Previous PROD removed by article creator, this is bordering on WP:A7, the minor, completely unsourced award is likely not a credible claim of significance, so I am supporting speedy deletion as well but am AfDing this just to be safe. VickKiang (talk) 02:32, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 00:34, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of Grand Sport sponsorships

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Unsourced, non-notable list, with content copied from the article Grand Sport Group JJLiu112 (talk) 01:59, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:16, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Geoffrey G. Andrews

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Fails WP:NBIO. Sources are either primary sources or a magazine about international schools. There is coverage of the subject in an article about an incident here, but it isn't enough to establish notability Tristario (talk) 00:49, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:16, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:NBAND and havent released anything ---FMSky (talk) 00:37, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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